Syphon Filter
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The PS5 is the worst PS ever by far. not gonna be interested in a PS6.
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PlayStation 6: Sony says future platforms ‘top of mind’, exploring ‘new and enhanced’ ways to play
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IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
I'm hoping that Sony, as well as other developers, will have invested in tools to speed up development cycles for the next generation.
RetroGamingUK
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A big problem this gen is ray tracing.
It was supposed to end the waste of time that was baked lighting.
However, these consoles struggle with it at 60fps, so we ended up with quality (ray tracing) and performance (baked lighting) modes. So it actually ended up making development longer, not shorter.
Baked lighting needs to die next gen.
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MiguelItUp
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Mine was a gift, so I'm not getting rid of it. But all I've played on it has been the Demon's Soul's Remake. I'll be playing Death Stranding 2 too. Ghost of Yotei is very likely as well. I'm just happy to have reasons to use it again. I'm beyond grateful it was gifted, because honestly I don't know if I'd own one otherwise.
I'll be honest, if majority of the titles are multiplatform, and exclusives aren't plentiful. I'd rather just hold off and save money. I wish it wasn't that way though. I miss going between playing PC and consoles pretty frequently.
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Spyxos
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I don't see any reason for the ps6 either. Take care of the 5 first.Honest question..
What fucking use is a PS6? They've barely pushed anything out on the 5th?
HerjansEagleFeeder
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Settled on PC with some Nintendo BS on the side from here on out. Hopefully the thing is super underwhelming so I'm not gonna be tempted to buy. Will probably outperform my RTX 5070 Ti, though.
RetroGamingUK
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Sony will be supporting PS5 with new games for another 4-5 years, as will most third parties.
NomenNescio
Dual Sense Edger and Blower
PS6 will be such a beast.
That's interesting and shows the issue with 5 year+ development times. That's 7 studios working on single player games which isn't much over 1 per year over a generation even if a couple of them are big enough to develop 2 concurrently.
Hawk The Slayer
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Hoping it's out as soon as possible 2027 instead of 2028 or even late 2026 if possible. I just wanna see the next big thing and the next gen games like ILL, Atomic Heart 2, Witcher 4, GTA VI, The Fucking Cube game, and whatever other next gen releases.
Trogdor1123
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Won't win me back unless they change plus (won't happen) and stop nickel and diming folks. Going to need to be a great value to get me to cone back. I'm hopeful, but not expecting it.
vpance
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What are PS5 sales like now? If they already peaked for a while then it makes sense they're going to bring out 6 asap.
The thing is we're still going to get years of cross gen anyways and probably just as much as this gen. No need to buy at launch unless you're looking for a boost like the Pro was.
The thing is we're still going to get years of cross gen anyways and probably just as much as this gen. No need to buy at launch unless you're looking for a boost like the Pro was.
nial
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The console already peaked at the third full FY (2023-2024), just like the PS2 and PS4.
Ok, Bend Studio and who else?
You guys still seem to completely miss basic stuff like this, holy shit.
Please tell me when you expected half of 120M PS4 users to buy a PS5, at the second year?
Dr.Morris79
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Good points. I guess the PS5 is waining in regards to what it can actually do.
I guess to really push the PS6 to the forefront Sony are going to have to have some proper in-house showcases to bolster it (And from the sound of it they are at least gearing towards this)
Bring some of that PS1 energy back.
Give me a proper eye busting Wipeout with some funky music, I'm there, day 1.
Oh that would be an utter gut punch!
As I said above to Fbh, and as much as it'd pain me being a collector.. if they did have PS6 specific titles that had the same energy as the early PS1 titles, I probably would bite..
If it's Spiderman 3 I'm good
Bluepoint after 5 years of development, Firesprite after 3 years of development, Naughty dog after 3 years of development, Insomniac after 3 years of development, Deviation after 4 years of development and who have now been shutdown, First Strike after 2 years of development, London after 2 years of development and who have now been shutdown.
Bungie also cancelled Operation Payback in 2024. I'll accept that Naughty Dog is different from the others, but it's still wasted development time.
powder
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That's not the point. The point is that it's hardly advantageous to introduce another SKU for an entirely new console ecosystem, when shit like the next COD is apparently launching on PS4 still.
Only now has the total PS user base migrated past the halfway point over to PS5 – they need to wait until at least three quarters of it move over before talking about a successor to something that hasn't even reached its full potential.
I don't expect to see PS6 until 2027 but realistically they should probably wait even longer.
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AREYOUOKAY?
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Don't like all the PlayStation 4.5 upgradable crossgen games they put out? The PS4 generation will live forever this way!Honest question..
What fucking use is a PS6? They've barely pushed anything out on the 5th?
nial
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They're not launching it this year, you know that they're aiming for 2027, right? And to that point, the PS4 userbase will be completely minimal that it won't even be a factor.
5 years? 2 years at most, after they were already a co-development studio on Demon's Souls and God of War Ragnarok. And before you say anything, they had the exact same roles on both games.
Firesprite already released Horizon Call of the Mountain and was working on Project Heartbreak since 2021. Twisted Metal was not even greenlit.
And the result of them making the type of games that result in >6 years of development, Intergalactic started peoduction after TLOU2. Ask CDPR.
It wasn't 3 years nor it was greenlit, either. Insomniac has already released 3 games this generation with another one on the way.
Deviation was never owned by Sony, which pulled their funding from the project as soon as they saw that it wasn't going anywhere, which led to Deviation not having any money to keep its doors open. Not Sony's fault, though.
What?
K.
I ask again, what are the studios that will miss this console generation outside of Bend Studio?
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Rocco Schiavone
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ComputerBlue
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How about they make the top priority the current console, clowns. There is no reason for a new console yet, not for years. When it does come out are we gonna wait 10 years for games to release at the end of that console lifecycle? Cross gen games between now and then, what the fuck is the point.
darrylgorn
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Sony:
Gamer79
Predicts the worst decade for Sony starting 2022
There has been so few impact PS5 titles it feels like this generation has barely even kicked off. Where are all of the fantastic single player titles that Sony use to have like all the previous PLaystation platforms?
Imagine being a new PS5 Pro owner right now and Sony is talking PS6 right now
Imagine being a new PS5 Pro owner right now and Sony is talking PS6 right now
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vpance
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This is why it's wise to skip launch and buy the Pro.
Because of the lost 3 years of covid and other wasteful factors the true gen start is shifted.
The graphic fidelity we have now is good enough. Give us a PS6 that standardizes 4k 60 (even with PSSR if need be) and super clean image quality. And make a handheld that plays the same stuff at 1080p 60 with reasonable battery life and heat management. That's all that's needed.
Pushing for advanced raytracing, more graphical fidelity, etc will just increase development costs further. Next gen needs to be about development and resource efficiency.
Inb4 Epic announces unreal engine 6 and ruins all of this and games look like garbage for another gen.
Pushing for advanced raytracing, more graphical fidelity, etc will just increase development costs further. Next gen needs to be about development and resource efficiency.
Inb4 Epic announces unreal engine 6 and ruins all of this and games look like garbage for another gen.
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semiconscious
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well, it's been pretty obvious for a while that, game-wise, it's certainly no longer the playstation 5...
powder
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....obviously they're not launching it this year.
I'm responding to the news of internal discussion about it – I'm simply saying I would prefer they didn't focus on PS6 when PS5 is still finding its footing although I know they starting planning the next console after they launch one.
What does he mean by that?
nial
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They need to focus internally on THE major product launching in just two years, it's a matter of logistics. PS5 found its footing a long time ago, it will be several years since it peaked.
Angry_Megalodon
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All the big titles that should already be releasing will be left as crossgen and then we will hear that "PS6 launches with a strong catalog" or something along those lines.
Curious about the price, too. Will they screw over the Pro buyers or the new gen ones? More than 600 would be insanity.
Curious about the price, too. Will they screw over the Pro buyers or the new gen ones? More than 600 would be insanity.
powder
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LOL. Found its footing already? Remember when it launched they were printing 120fps on the boxes? What reality do you live in? Most of the first party games that have launched started development on PS4 (and look like it as well.) We have not had any genuinely ground-up developed games for the PS5 – even the ones they "claim" were. Ratchet is probably the closest. When I say the console has found its footing I'm talking about the console having SEVERAL releases that started development on the PS5, for the PS5. There have been some nice looking titles, but nothing that fulfills the expected promise of "next gen."
Again, I'm saying regardless of their internal plans, ME AS A CONSUMER would prefer if they released the PS6 3-5 years from now. It's an opinion.
I was typing out a full response, but it was just semantics so I stopped. Any studio or part of a studio that has had a recent game cancelled are going to struggle to be starting a project now and release it before 2030. My point is there's a lot of developers who have spent years either working for Sony or in partnership with Sony who have had games cancelled and of which a proportion of (which we will never know) is due to a decision at the top years ago to go in the wrong direction. All of that dev time is a waste regardless of what could have been produced instead.
There's got to be disappointment in what they've done and this gen has been light on the story heavy single player games. I've seen people argue this but of the original games released so far this gen, only Horizon and Ragnorak are truly that.
I meant Final Strike and everything I've read suggests Bluepoint were at least in pre-production 5 years ago on the GoW game.
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nial
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Ah, cross-gen sperging, exactly what I expected. What do you even want me to say? The console already peaked a while back, most of consumers bought those games on PS5, people have been playing on the console for 5 years at this point.
When was the argument solely focused on what YOU wanted?
It's absolutely not semantics when you clearly stated that we were going to see these studios missing an entire console generation, when it's quite literally one single case.
And you read wrong, all the insider or whatever information from Jason stated that they didn't work on it until after God of War Ragnarok. You're assuming that it's what they worked on after Demon's Souls, ignoring that their work on GOWR required the exact same workforce and expertise as in DS.
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powder
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There never was an argument – I voiced an opinion and you turned it into a "conversation" when you replied.
Who cares about the how's and why's? Why defend the first party output this generation?
nial
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Speaking of, do you know if the development on the handheld was a result of the PS Portal?What does he mean by that?
Reflecting on previous history, both PS Vita and PS4 started active development in 2008, taking 3 and 5 years until release respectively. Looking at PS6 starting active development in 2022 and presumably launching 5 years later, a handheld in development at the same time would mean that it took 2 years longer than the PS Vita, while starting in 2024 *after* the PS Portal was released would mean that it will have a similar timeframe as the PS Vita.
LordOcidax
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I have the feeling that the PS6 is going to be an hybrid console…
nial
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Stating that it's the wrong move is rarely a casual opinion, and if it really is, it's just incorrect. You could say that PS5 being a failure is your opinion, but it'd be factually false.
Why do you assume I dislike it as much as you?
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powder
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Yeah, I bet they'll pull a Switch and make it primarily mobile with enhanced docked capabilities. I still think PC is the bigger threat for them – it seems like they're having pretty good success with first party stuff on there but I think they need to figure out how to bridge the popular "indie" games to get on consoles faster/easier.