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[Particle Physicist]

Chumly. Are you capable of have a political discussion without being confrontational (or mentioning FOX news)? If so, I'll entertain your questions. If not I'll continue to ignore you.

Attacking Bain for not being able to save GTS Steel is lame for a lot of reasons....

1) Romney had already departed Bain when GTS was shut down.
2) GTS was a failing company - Bain basically gave them an 8 year life extension. Steel production as a whole is declining in the US.
3) It's not helpful for Dems to look as if they are somehow against private equity firms.
4) Most people would rather investors risk their OWN money then have the government risk ours (see Solindra).

My guess is that BO will drop it as an issue.

I've stated this before, but Romney has taken credit for the jobs created by Bain when he wasn't there. If he can do that, I'd say it's fair game to blame him for the bad shit Bain did without him as well.

 

[Jimothy]

I wish Obama would bring up the fact that Romney wants to cut taxes for himself, while Obama wants to raise taxes on himself. I think a lot of people forget Obama is rich as fuck, and him raising taxes isn't "punishing the rich". HE WANTS TO RAISE HIS OWN TAXES IN THE NAME OF FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY. This whole Bain thing is beating around the bush. Romney is a sociopathic, greedy SOB that only cares about his own bottom line. You think he wants to president because he wants to serve the public good? lol

 

[Particle Physicist]

I wish Obama would bring up the fact that Romney wants to cut taxes for himself, while Obama wants to raise taxes on himself. I think a lot of people forget Obama is rich as fuck, and him raising taxes isn't "punishing the rich". HE WANTS TO RAISE HIS OWN TAXES IN THE NAME OF FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY. This whole Bain thing is beating around the bush. Romney is a sociopathic, greedy SOB that only cares about his own bottom line. You think he wants to president because he wants to serve the public good? lol

I'm sure that is going to come up in debates.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Limbaugh calls 14 year old caller "babe":



Ah, good ole Rushbo.

No offense but your descent to liberal outrage machine/Obama slappy has been quite annoying

Is the insinuation here that Rush is a pedophile or did something wrong by allowing a kid to join a female conservative club he created?

 

[Oblivion]

No offense but your descent to liberal outrage machine/Obama slappy has been quite annoying

oh pd...

Is the insinuation here that Rush is a pedophile or did something wrong by allowing a kid to join a female conservative club he created?

Clearly the former. You don't think it's pretty creepy for a dude in his 50s (60s?) to call a 14 year old girl a "babe".

 

[RustyNails]

No offense but your descent to liberal outrage machine/Obama slappy has been quite annoying

Is the insinuation here that Rush is a pedophile or did something wrong by allowing a kid to join a female conservative club he created?

The insinuation is that limbaugh is a sleazeball but thats a foregone conclusion

 

[sc0la]

Ah, good ole Rushbo.

Eh, I have a huge disdain for Rush normally, but this is a total non-story. Full stop.

The insinuation is that limbaugh is a sleazeball but thats a foregone conclusion

but also this

 

[Black Republican]

Who's gonna be the next person to blow up on meet the press? I'm loving it.

 

[Jooney]

Honestly, there’s nothing to get worked up about in Rush’s comments. It’s clearly a joke. If this becomes an issue, it’s going to be one of those faux outrage things that makes liberals look bad. Let it be.

Spoiler

having said that – Rush finds 14yo girls attractive? GAFfer confirmed amirite.

 

[Chumly]

Chumly. Are you capable of have a political discussion without being confrontational (or mentioning FOX news)? If so, I'll entertain your questions. If not I'll continue to ignore you.

Attacking Bain for not being able to save GTS Steel is lame for a lot of reasons....

I apologize......... I'll stop making "snarky" comments when you start defending yours.

1) Romney had already departed Bain when GTS was shut down.

Romney was there for 6 out of the 8 years. You cant just magically absolve him because he wasn't there when they finally made the decision to shut them down. He was more than willing to make blanket statements accepting all credit for good things that Bain has done.

2) GTS was a failing company - Bain basically gave them an 8 year life extension. Steel production as a whole is declining in the US.

Then they should have known better than to saddle the company with extremely high debt and charge outrageous fees. O wait..... Bain capital didn't actually care if it went bankrupt since all they cared about was extracting as much money as possible from GTS. So again. How was the company an over unionized dying company? By all reports it was a successful company that Bain ran into the ground.

3) It's not helpful for Dems to look as if they are somehow against private equity firms.

They aren't. Just not for Romney's type.

4) Most people would rather investors risk their OWN money then have the government risk ours (see Solindra).

My guess is that BO will drop it as an issue.

Government has pumped hundreds of billions of dollars in R&D over the years that has helped us out a lot. In addition the government makes investments for the good of the country as a whole instead of trying to make a few people rich.

 

[Particle Physicist]

No offense but your descent to liberal outrage machine/Obama slappy has been quite annoying

Is the insinuation here that Rush is a pedophile or did something wrong by allowing a kid to join a female conservative club he created?

Ignoring the whole 14 year old thing, you don't find the term 'Rush babe' a bit demeaning for a female conservative club? The insinuation that conservative women have to be sexualized? I thought you were all about women's rights and how they are portrayed by politicians ?

 

[Rocket Scientist]

M-M-M-M-MULTI QUOTE!

 

[cartoon_soldier]

DNC out with new Video going off Obama's awesome press conference answer yesterday

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/dnc-video-romney-is-not-job-creator

Priorities USA piles on using primary statements from other Republicans

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/pro-obama-super-pac-uses-gingrich-perry-to

The Arizona SoS who is a Birther is Romney's Arizona Campaign Chair

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/05/craven_is_as_craven_does.php?ref=fpblg

Imagine the media firestorm if an Obama campaign chair said something about mormonism...

 

[Al-ibn Kermit]

oh pd...
Clearly the former. You don't think it's pretty creepy for a dude in his 50s (60s?) to call a 14 year old girl a "babe".

It's very creepy but also pretty normal.

 

[Tamanon]

Yeah, Rush has way creepier things in his repertoire, don't even give it a second glance.

 

[SquiddyCracker]

Limbaugh calls 14 year old caller "babe":



Ah, good ole Rushbo.

Not a pedophile (let's save that term for the real monsters) but definitely some needless and harmful sexualization of young people

 

[eznark]

Rush compliments 14 year old girl who is fishing for a compliment. RUSH IS A PEDOPHILE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

All of the internet needs to be locked up for sexualizing that little Harry Potter girl.

Limbaugh is a fucking idiot who provides tons of material, why go searching for nonsense? He provides tons of actual fodder daily.

 

[Rocket Scientist]

Priorities USA piles on using primary statements from other Republicans

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/pro-obama-super-pac-uses-gingrich-perry-to

Sick burn son.

 

[Ghost_Protocol]

I have no thoughts on Brown v. Warren other than Warren's claim she was part Cherokee, then claiming she didn't know anything about it when it was pointed out, is a complete joke. I am not their constituent, so Massachusetts can elect whoever they want.

On Obama and Wall Street (and numerous other things) it's not that he's worse than many Republicans, it's that he's the same, but when you point that out to his supporters, they are basically like "Well yeah, whatever, he's a likable guy and the first black President and I voted for him, so go away racist."

In this political climate, A republican would have NEVER signed anything like the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act into law.

 

[LoftyTheMetroid]

Just have to say, as a resident of Joplin, I really appreciated Obama coming down here yesterday for the high school commencement speech: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0YuHMf4ktk&feature=email

Great speech, wish I could have seen it live. My sister graduated last year, we were heading home from the ceremony when the tornado hit. Shame that neither she nor I could get tickets to attend, but I heard it was great.

 

[Sirpopopop]

I'm a little surprised Booker is getting so much flak. I still overwhelming love the guy.

Still fairly certain he's not buddy buddy with Christie despite all evidence to the contrary?

 

[Jackson50]

You have to remember how hostile republicans were to Warren. They were terrible, and foaming at the mouth about the agency already. This isn't about Obama not thinking enough of Warren. This is a case of republicans being so hostile that it became ridiculous, and both Obama and Warren decided it was best to move on without her.

They plied the same unscrupulous tactics with Peter Diamond, the NLRB vacancies, and various other appointees. And while the 60-vote majority persists, the problem will not abate.

 

[Invisible_Insane]

They plied the same unscrupulous tactics with Peter Diamond, the NLRB vacancies, and various other appointees. And while the 60-vote majority persists, the problem will not abate.

Dead on. I think the idea that Republicans specifically opposed Elizabeth Warren as head of CFPB is a profound misreading of the history that ignores their intransigence on all the other nominees mentioned here, and that's without even taking judicial nominees into consideration. But I think this also exposes just how wrong the idea that Obama "went to bat" for Warren is; given that he was going to have to strongarm someone into heading CFPB, Warren would have been just as easy to recess appoint as Cordray.

 

[eznark]

Dead on. I think the idea that Republicans specifically opposed Elizabeth Warren as head of CFPB is a profound misreading of the history that ignores their intransigence on all the other nominees mentioned here, and that's without even taking judicial nominees into consideration. But I think this also exposes just how wrong the idea that Obama "went to bat" for Warren is; given that he was going to have to strongarm someone into heading CFPB, Warren would have been just as easy to recess appoint as Cordray.

that was my point

 

[Invisible_Insane]

that was my point

I haven't been disagreeing with you.

 

[eznark]

I haven't been disagreeing with you.

Just emphasizing it.

I assume Warren asked to be removed so she could run for the Brown seat. There was talk of that happening even while she was being held up, I assume it just got to the point where she said "fuck it" I'll just run.

I hope she wins and is put on all the same committees as Rand Paul. I would watch so much CNET

 

[Hawkian]

Let's be real for a second, and I apologize if this is rehashed, common knowledge.

PD, are you going to be voting for Willard Romney?

 

[cartoon_soldier]

Karl Rove group putting out a new ad with more false claims (that Obama raised taxes for people earning under 250k). Buy is worth 9.25 million dollars, so expect to see a lot of that.

Dems have got nothing to fight back on that front, i.e. Groups that can go negative in subtle or flamboyant ways on Romney while being not part of the Obama Campaign.

 

[AlteredBeast]

Let's be real for a second, and I apologize if this is rehashed, common knowledge.

PD, are you going to be voting for Willard Romney?

There is no way in hell he is voting for Mitt.

taxes for people earning under 250k). Buy is worth 9.25 million dollars, so expect to see a lot of that.

Dems have got nothing to fight back on that front, i.e. Groups that can go negative in subtle or flamboyant ways on Romney while being not part of the Obama Campaign.

is that a lie-lie or a semantics-lie though?

 

[eznark]

Dems have got nothing to fight back on that front, i.e. Groups that can go negative in subtle or flamboyant ways on Romney while being not part of the Obama Campaign.

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/pro-obama-super-pac-uses-gingrich-perry-to

 

[eznark]

lol at any politician being motivated by serving the public good

 

[Kosmo]

Karl Rove group putting out a new ad with more false claims (that Obama raised taxes for people earning under 250k). Buy is worth 9.25 million dollars, so expect to see a lot of that.

Dems have got nothing to fight back on that front, i.e. Groups that can go negative in subtle or flamboyant ways on Romney while being not part of the Obama Campaign.

Depends what you consider a tax, I guess, if you don't think he's singed things that will/have raised taxes on those making under $250K.

 

[Particle Physicist]

Depends what you consider a tax, I guess, if you don't think he's singed things that will/have raised taxes on those making under $250K.

Can you please detail how Obama has raised taxes overall (net raise) on people making less than 250K?

 

[Sirpopopop]

Depends what you consider a tax, I guess, if you don't think he's singed things that will/have raised taxes on those making under $250K.

Like what?

 

[Particle Physicist]

Like what?

I just noticed he said "will." So future taxes will be raised at some point and stuff?

 

[Sirpopopop]

Let's not make his argument for him!

 

[Invisible_Insane]

I just noticed he said "will." So future taxes will be raised at some point and stuff?

He's probably referring to the EGTRRA extension. Sunset provision = ZOMG OBAMA RAISING TAXES

Let's not make his argument for him!

But we're so much better at it.

 

[Hawkian]

He's probably referring to the EGTRRA extension. Sunset provision = ZOMG OBAMA RAISING TAXES

That's... god, you're probably right about that being what he meant, but

 

[sc0la]

Oh. Man, there should be like warning signs on these guys or something.

Diet Kosmo
Same great taste, zero calories!

 

[Kosmo]

Can you please detail how Obama has raised taxes overall (net raise) on people making less than 250K?

Oh, is that where the goalposts are now?

Speaking in Dover, New Hampshire on Sept. 12, 2008, candidate Obama said:
"I can make a firm pledge. Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes."

I guess new taxes could be an exception, if we're playing semantics.

 

[gcubed]

I'm confused. Goalposts?

 

[SirButterstick]

How's your kids doing, Kozmo?

http://thinkprogress.org/election/2...o-newark-mayor-cory-booker-for-2002-campaign/

 

[kehs]

How's your kids doing, Kozmo?

http://thinkprogress.org/election/2...o-newark-mayor-cory-booker-for-2002-campaign/

Amazing.

 

[GhaleonEB]

Oh, is that where the goalposts are now?

I think we should start with listing the taxes Obama raised on those earning below $250k per year. The last time I saw this go around, it turned out to be the cigarette tax raised to fund SCHIP.

Also, poor Newt. Who will cry for Newt?

 

[cartoon_soldier]

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/pro-obama-super-pac-uses-gingrich-perry-to

That is a web video, with hardly any dollars behind it. Even the Bain ad they are airing has a 800k buy. Compare that to Rove groups' 25 million dollar buy

 

[Arrowgigantic]

Cory Booker's career is burning down and he's trapped inside!

 

[eznark]

That is a web video, with hardly any dollars behind it. Even the Bain ad they are airing has a 800k buy. Compare that to Rove groups' 25 million dollar buy

I was just pointing out that Obama's PAC is trying, they just apparently aren't very good at it. How much does Priorities have now? Have they even cracked $10m?

 

[cartoon_soldier]

I was just pointing out that Obama's PAC is trying, they just apparently aren't very good at it. How much does Priorities have now? Have they even cracked $10m?

No, lol. Last month they raised on 1.6 million. Some OK billionaire just cut a million dollars for Romney's SuperPAC last week. Singular donors on GOP side are matching Priorities USA. Not to mention GOP has 3-4 SuperPACs Democrats have 1.

 

[Particle Physicist]

Oh, is that where the goalposts are now?.

Wat? That is all that matters. If the net effect is a decrease in taxes, it's incredibly disingenuous to say he raised taxes.

You still have not listed which taxes he raised and by how much.

 

[gcubed]

Cory Booker's career is burning down and he's trapped inside!

ouch