this reminds me of an article today or yesterday on Steve Jobs and Bill Gates with the quote of "if they were moral leaders they wouldn't be great businessmen"
Although as reilo points out, the same thing happened last time.
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this reminds me of an article today or yesterday on Steve Jobs and Bill Gates with the quote of "if they were moral leaders they wouldn't be great businessmen"
Although as reilo points out, the same thing happened last time.
cartoon_soldier
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2012 is not 2008. 2008 was a different campaign, no incumbents, most attacks against Obama were personal and not economy related.
Obama also outspent McCain 10-1 on air in 2008, that is not going to happen in 2012.
SteveWinwood
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Gal civ 2 is like favorite game ever, and somehow I avoided elemental thank god. I still want to try it out though at some point, but yeah I'll wait for princess.
But yeah political machine 2008 didn't have too much strategy, but If I wanted to hammer out a game in half an hour it was perfect for that. And I got to run Obama versus Sarah Palin over and over.
That's because in 2008 Obama was running as a fictional, larger than life character.
He won't be able to win on personality and promise alone this time.
Serious? Holy shit that is hilarious. Please cite this so I can use it over and over again in the coming months.
cartoon_soldier
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McCain and now Romney have a 24 hour news network for them though.
MSNBC isn't as bad as FOX, but they both tilt in opposite directions (I guess FOX has a larger audience though).
Sirpopopop
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At this stage of the game, you can't afford not to pay attention to politics.
Aaron Strife
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But Obama can't debate without a teleprompter.
Souldriver
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But are the people who see those viral and social campaigns the people that vote?
People should be reminded of the fictional Obama the left thought they were getting in 2008:
http://noagendashow.visibli.com/share/SdKogq
Some of these quotes are hilarious:
I'm sure some of the 150 million people on facebook vote.
Schultz LULZ
PhoenixDark
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Seems like the media enjoys playing this game of anticipating what will be taken out of context, then helping to take it out of context. Obama is finished
And to be fair, Obama's comment on the private economy being fine deserves to be propogated. It's the kind of stupid thing he should have known would be jumped on, and technically the private economy isn't fine to begin with. If it was he wouldn't be begging to pass another spending bill
And to be fair, Obama's comment on the private economy being fine deserves to be propogated. It's the kind of stupid thing he should have known would be jumped on, and technically the private economy isn't fine to begin with. If it was he wouldn't be begging to pass another spending bill
It's all about the Burnout Paradise ads.
You laugh eznark, but without Obama Girl, American politics would have been a very different place.
Obama can get away with saying the economy is fine because he won't have a Bill Clinton running against him saying that 'he feels our pain'. That's why Romney is the wrong candidate for this year.
Obama can get away with saying the economy is fine because he won't have a Bill Clinton running against him saying that 'he feels our pain'. That's why Romney is the wrong candidate for this year.
cartoon_soldier
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The thing is Romney doesn't need to convince voters to vote for him, he just has to convince them to vote against Obama.
Certainly worked well for Kerry
You don't win an election that way.
Maybe this year is different, but in the past that has never worked.
Romney is also fucked because he can't run on a detailed jobs plan. Obama will merely cherrypick the best parts of it, make the House Republicans vote against it and leave Romney in a peculiar situation. So, Romney has to run on these vague platitudes of improving the economy without any substance behind it.
PhoenixDark
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I was going to make this point but I'm on my iPod and typing is annoying. If this was Christie, the election would be very different. If would not be hard to make Obama HW Bush, unfortunately republicans chose a candidate who can't do it
If the Republicans had nominated anyone else (non religious nut) this would have been a slam dunk.
Romney literally adds zero votes to the GOP. He'll get the "anyone but Obama" votes but will not add a single "I love Mitt" voter. Pathetic.
Forget MSNBC, NPR is the new FOXNews:
Forget MSNBC, NPR is the new FOXNews:
Title was changed: http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpoli...s-obama-for-saying-private-sectors-doing-fine
That was weird.
Aaron Strife
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Gallup has Obama leading among Jews 64-29 - hasn't anyone told them they can't vote Democratic anymore because of Israel?
PPP has gay marriage coming closer in Florida, to 42/45 (in September, it was 37/48), largely on the strength of black voters. Hasn't anyone told black people that they have to abandon Obama now instead of coming around to gay marriage?
Al Franken has a 51-41 advantage over Norm Coleman in MN-SEN 2014. Hasn't anyone told Minnesota voters that Al Franken is a radical liberal ideologue and should be replaced by a moderate Republican as soon as possible?
Dammit, we have a narrative to sell!
PPP has gay marriage coming closer in Florida, to 42/45 (in September, it was 37/48), largely on the strength of black voters. Hasn't anyone told black people that they have to abandon Obama now instead of coming around to gay marriage?
Al Franken has a 51-41 advantage over Norm Coleman in MN-SEN 2014. Hasn't anyone told Minnesota voters that Al Franken is a radical liberal ideologue and should be replaced by a moderate Republican as soon as possible?
Dammit, we have a narrative to sell!
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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I don't know.. I kinda liked Romney's immediate reaction. I'll bet he's going to run with this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2KacvhESkE&feature=player_embedded
Parties close ranks for Presidential elections.
Anyone but Obama.
He must think Romney has a chance.
planar1280
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All what needs to happen is Economy needs to get better in VA, PA, NV, OH and Obama wins by default because honestly the other states don't matter too much
Jeb Bush even came out saying he kinda wishes he could be running right now. He didn't say that before because it looked like Obama was going to get re-elected. Now it's a legitimate toss up if not leaning Republican.
And you can forget about NV as well as Harry Reid helping Obama for that matter. Reid won because he's popular enough in his own state and was running against an insane candidate who could not hide her insanity like most of the other Tea Party twits trolling for votes. Simple as that. NV has the worst UE in the US and I doubt that's going to change. Kiss it goodbye.
He'll carry PA regardless. Maybe he'll get VA but a GOP win in WI or MI would offset that and you can rest assured Romney will be dumping PAC money into those states like nobody's business. OH is a lost cause. I am more optimistic for FL at this point. The hispanic vote could really drive it home for Obama there.
And you can forget about NV as well as Harry Reid helping Obama for that matter. Reid won because he's popular enough in his own state and was running against an insane candidate who could not hide her insanity like most of the other Tea Party twits trolling for votes. Simple as that. NV has the worst UE in the US and I doubt that's going to change. Kiss it goodbye.
cartoon_soldier
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Obama wins if the economy improves, that is known.
That's all? Well, slam dunk Barry then.
How about we slam dunk you
Romney just slam dunked himself.
What a fucking idiot. Did he not notice that Walker specifically exempted firemen and policemen? Jesus he is an idiot.
And he still might win.
As I've said for years: If Dubya can ascend to the Presidency anyone can. Especially now with SuperPACs.
As I've said for years: If Dubya can ascend to the Presidency anyone can. Especially now with SuperPACs.
Obama's chances look shittier by the day but come on man. If you get any worse at this you are going to be like "That one CNN anchor now twitches her left eye instead of her right if she's questioning something about Obama. He's finished"
cartoon_soldier
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Let's see what gets more coverage. Obama's comments or Romney's comment.
I agree with most of your analysis, but when did running on vague platitudes hurt a politician in this country?
Jeb may say that but isn't the Bush name too much of a burden for him to run with?
Now? Not really. He doesn't sound like a neanderthal every time he opens his mouth. He'd have had to prove himself in the primary but if he did a good job he'd be able to overcome enough of the obstacles that come with being a Bush these days to get enough swing voters in the GE.
Kevitivity
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What? Why does this not make sense? Who should he have endorsed? BO?
Baraka in the White House
2-Terms of Kombat
BO, I call him BO guys.
Invisible_Insane
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What reason does someone with the tea party/libertarian brand have for endorsing Romney?
Gah, I just want to punch that idiot sometimes. I mean barring the stupid faux pas that Walker exempted firemen and policemen, that's still just a stupid statement. How exactly does cutting back the government jobs help the American people? I mean really, how? Less jobs is somehow good in the economy? Are those people who work those jobs not American people, too? Are they not hard-working tax-paying individuals? I realize the republican party would have you believe otherwise, but this is silly.
More government jobs = more money in the economy = more money and opportunity for private business = everybody wins
Kevitivity
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To look mainstream.
Invisible_Insane
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He's not up for re-election, and even if he was, his base is not one particularly interested in moderation. Try again.
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