speculawyer
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That quote is just so freaky . . . it just really seemed like something a robot would say.
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It was a really, really weird thing to say. I don't know if it was some kind of brain fart, or if it was one of those things that sound normal to him while everyone else gazes on in disbelieving horror, like his anecdote about the dog.
I think he knew it was the part of the speech where he was supposed to list why he loves Michigan, and that's what came out. It sounded like he was just cycling through the first things he thought of, then doing free associations. Trees.....right height! Cars...American cars!
PantherLotus
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To be fair, YOU try naming something about Detroit you like while standing in the middle of it. Fucking yikes.
I know man, how do you even begin to pronounce "Ndamukong"?
I don't think this has been posted yet:
Republicans were looking at this race and the Sherrod Brown seat as potential flips. But that looks very unlikely now.
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Huntsman calls for a third party candidate:
Oh my lawd, I feel faint ..
Republicans were looking at this race and the Sherrod Brown seat as potential flips. But that looks very unlikely now.
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Huntsman calls for a third party candidate:
Oh my lawd, I feel faint ..
RustyNails
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Huntsman is only saying that because he burned all his bridges lol
Particle Physicist
between a quark and a baryon
Boehner retreating on the Highway Bill.
Centrist Republicans getting very nervous this election year.
Centrist Republicans getting very nervous this election year.
Invisible_Insane
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He's still banned, I think.
That bill would have been a disaster for New York, I'm glad to see it's getting revised.
LOL.. the guy running against Sherrod Brown is my cousin. Before anyone asks me anything about him though.. I haven't seen him since we were 13.
Invisible_Insane
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Maybe he'll take a run at the Americans Elect ticket if that turns out to mean anything.
Black Republican
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PhoenixDark
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Good.
Hopefully we see more of Boehner telling his freshmen to grow the fuck up, with potential seats on the line
It may sound weird to outsiders. But he's a true blue Michigander. We love the height of our trees. Not too tall. Not too short. Just right.
Precisely. Citing only a few statistics outside the proper context creates a distorted narrative. Obviously, unemployment remains high, but the trajectory takes precedence over the absolute level. Presently, the economy is experiencing some fairly robust growth. And Obama's prospects have correspondingly improved. If growth continues unabated, and the most recent data is positive, Obama would win irrespective of the Republican nominee.
The problem is not diminished turnout. That's mostly specious, and I wince when it's posited as a reason for Obama's demise. Youth turnout relative to other cohorts has been largely stable over the past few presidential elections; that is, as a proportion of actual turnout, the youth cohort has been fairly stable. Rather, the true problem for Obama is attracting a proportion of the youth vote comparable to his performance in 2008. And I doubt Obama will struggle with youth. As economic concerns predominate even for youth, I expected a shift towards the GOP. Although, less pronounced than other cohorts. However, social issues are more salient with youth. Thus, if the GOP makes reducing access to contraception a plank in its platform, they're gong to alienate the preponderance of the youth vote. And with the economy improving, I'd expect him to perform comparably to 2008.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=464356
Bill Maher gives 1,000,000 to Obama's super pac #1
He just said it live on his free comedy special. He also had a big check on stage. Its replaying now. check the link.
http://screen.yahoo.com/crazystupidpolitics/
Bill Maher gives 1,000,000 to Obama's super pac #1
He just said it live on his free comedy special. He also had a big check on stage. Its replaying now. check the link.
http://screen.yahoo.com/crazystupidpolitics/
cartoon_soldier
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Fuck Awesome
More Liberals need to follow
More Liberals need to follow
I don't think liberals should give to SuperPacs.
cartoon_soldier
Member
That's fine, you don't have a million dollars to give anyway.
RustyNails
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cartoon_soldier
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Agreed.
Democrats and Obama have suggested a series of measures to rein it in. The Supreme Court and Republicans are not letting that happen.
At that point, you can't just let 700 million dollars worth of outside ads happen without being able to fight back. Let's recap:
Adelson - 100 million dollars
Koch Bros - 150 million dollars
Rove's SuperPAC - 280 million dollars
And all the other Republican backers have promised to spend money this general election through SuperPACs.
Until the CU decision can be overturned (not going to happen with Republican majority in House and current SC setup), Democrats have to play in this new playing field or get left behind.
Wasn't he just sucking off Romney a month ago? What a tool.
Not because he wants to or wants someone else to run third party, just there's something about him that pisses me off. It's like sporadic honesty/integrity. One moment he'll be acting like a moderate, the next he's saying the Paul Ryan budget is awesome. One minute he's saying climate change is real and we need to address it, the next spouting bullshit about the EPA's reign of terror. Now this; endorsing a man he loathes, then the next month saying all the candidates are awful and we need someone else.
Alternative is we let republicans dominate the TV and airwaves with hundreds of millions of dollars from the Koch brothers and Sheldon Adelson. Fight fire with fire and all that. Maybe after the election we can look at serious reform but Democrats can't just bend over and take it during the election.
Aaron Strife
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Not that superPACs and Citizens United aren't bullshit, but Democrats shouldn't avoid them out of principle if Rove and Koch bros. are slamming them with millions of dollars of negative ads.
I like the idea of a constitutional amendment and I'd be surprised if there wasn't a major push for it, if there isn't already. You sure as hell aren't going to get anything like it passed with a Republican House, though.
I like the idea of a constitutional amendment and I'd be surprised if there wasn't a major push for it, if there isn't already. You sure as hell aren't going to get anything like it passed with a Republican House, though.
Yes you can.
I think that keeping the sanctity* of our political system is more important than getting a Democrat in the White House.
And it's exactly that type of thinking, the notion that getting "your" party elected is the most important thing, that got us into this sorry state.
* sanctity, lol, that train has not only left the station, it probably never was in the station to begin with, but you get my drift.
speculawyer
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I just watched that special with my mom. AWKWARD! (Bill worked quite blue.) But it was a very partisan show . . . and then he capped it off with $1 Million check to the super-PAC. It was kinda surprising.
It's a perfect analogy for nuclear proliferation.
Mortrialus
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I forget which show it was (Either the Atheist Experience or the Nonprophets) or which episode but I remember Russel Glasser discussing the dangers of self-imposed rules your opponent doesn't follow in the context of Starcraft. You can call Zerg Rushes cheap, but there are counters to them and simply not using that strategy, expecting your opponent not to and bitching when he inevitably does is simply setting yourself up for failure. There are rules in place that you both have to follow and you shouldn't be imposing additional ones on yourself just because of your mindset.
Still, this definitely doesn't feel right.
Sanctity is great and all, but if they tie one hand behind their back and their opponent keeps beating them like a red headed step child with Super PAC money, they're never going to be able to overturn it.
They should use it to their advantage as long as they have the desire to get rid of it when they have the capacity to. I honestly don't know if they truly want to though, so...
We're so fucked.
speculawyer
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You can't just do unilateral disarmament. Play within the rules while advocating for the rules to be changed.
speculawyer
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No you truly cannot. With the republican pacs spending 100's of millions spreading lies your going to have to fight back with something. That's just how it is in American politics. Also nothing can be changed with republicans in control of the house and democrats aren't going to be able to change that without money.
I don't think this argument works on any level.
In realistic terms, an Obama re-election ensures that we maintain or improve the ideological makeup of the Supreme Court (with the significant likelihood of one liberal retirement and one Swing vote retirement). For campaign finance, this could not be more relevant.
In idealistic terms, what you're saying is akin to right-wing arguments against proponents of anthropogenic climate change: "They say they want us to stop using oil, but I see them riding on planes to get to their climate change meetings!" As if we should all move into huts in order to bring about alternative energy technologies.
And no, we didn't get to this specific campaign finance moment because we all voted for "our" party. We got here because of conservative Supreme Court rulings, achievable only after Republican Presidential victories and ensuing appointments. And because of cases brought and pushed by conservative interest groups.
While nobody is perfect, there remains a clear difference between the two "sides" on this issue and we shouldn't handwave that difference away.
Slurpy2k20
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Right on cue. He gave them some low-hanging fruit.
Seriously, I often wonder if these people have a shred of any positive traits or values. You know, like respect, dignity for others, humanity, etc. I can't see how someone can be so vicious, so hateful, so incensed about the President righteously portraying concern for something like the burning of religious texts. It's like they WANT the US to be viewed as an evil monster to the rest of the world and fucking get hard about the any possibility for anti-American sentiment, resenting anything that might attempt to quell it. Which makes it so fucking scary imagining someone like NG as President. So, so despicable.
Slurpy2k20
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I imagine the followers of that site are sexually frustrated, mentally deranged, 60 year old women? I can't understand how that site even still exists. I remember back when BO was campaigning, pretty much every single post was that he had absolutely no chance in hell to win the presidency. As soon as he won the nom, the site basically became a GOP mouthpiece and were in full support of McCain. What a bunch of fuckups.
I think without SuperPacs -
- Obama still wins; seriously, he raised half a billion last time, and it's fucking Mitt "I like Lamp" Romney.
- You have a much easier path toward overturning this crap.
- Long term, voters will appreciate this.
Oh, and also, it's the right thing to do
p.s.
Let's all stop act like Mitt Romeny is going to destroy America; such hysterics should be left to the GOP, they're experts.
TacticalFox88
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Israel isn't going to do shit. Relax.
The concept of the SuperPACs is abhorrent, yes. But to lament their fair/legal usage by Democrats while Republicans are quite literally kept afloat by them is short-sighted.
Remember this?
"[Russ Feingold] wrote the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee again this year asking that it not intervene on his behalf and told POLITICO that he would “absolutely” rather lose than see outside groups airing ads on his behalf."
Wisconsin U.S. Senate
Candidate Votes %
Feingold * 1,020,860 47%
Johnson + 1,125,637 52%
Taylor 23,349 1%
Key: * Incumbent | + Winner
Wishes granted!
I'm sure many of you would "absolutely" rather see a 7-2 Corporate SCOTUS for the next 20+ years rather than compromise your principled stances. Right?
Call them hypocrites now, hold them to account if they don't work toward reversal after they win.
And until then, defeat the adversary with the tools available.
Remember this?
"[Russ Feingold] wrote the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee again this year asking that it not intervene on his behalf and told POLITICO that he would “absolutely” rather lose than see outside groups airing ads on his behalf."
Wisconsin U.S. Senate
Candidate Votes %
Feingold * 1,020,860 47%
Johnson + 1,125,637 52%
Taylor 23,349 1%
Key: * Incumbent | + Winner
Wishes granted!
I'm sure many of you would "absolutely" rather see a 7-2 Corporate SCOTUS for the next 20+ years rather than compromise your principled stances. Right?
Call them hypocrites now, hold them to account if they don't work toward reversal after they win.
And until then, defeat the adversary with the tools available.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
That isn't stopping speculators from pretending they will, which is the major problem right now.
When was the president able to make laws? O thats right..... He cant. Obama may be able to win the GE without superpacs but senators and representatives are going to get destroyed by superpacs since they are the ones that can't raise as much money.
BTW we still stop acting like Mitt Romney will destroy America when he stops putting forth ideas that are going to destroy America. Stop acting like Romney is some centrist when hes just as crazy as the rest of republicans. He would sign into law ANYTHING republicans put before him.
I'm not saying there isn't a clear strategic bit of clarity here, I'm just saying it's wrong and fucked up and I'm not going to applaud when someone is contributing to these train wreck. This political financial gamesmanship is becoming an embarrassment for our democratic process in the highest order.
Haha, just like the joke I made a page or so ago when I heard the apology news. These guys are so predictable I should become a psychic.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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Swiftboat Veterans for Truth
If he gets elected, I'm building a shack in Michigan around a bunch of trees.
Manmademan
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Eh, I can see huntsman trying again in 2016, so probably not. He goes third party and he torpedoes his chance as a viable candidate in 4 years.
if only his last name wasn't Bush
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