This is really the best course of action for everybody. Obama gets to basically eliminate the debt ceiling (except for the possibility of a president of one party with both legislative branches dominated to a veto-proof level by the other party, but I'm not sure that that's ever happened in the history of the United States), Congress gets to vote against the debt ceiling without having their votes destroy the country. We should probably ask for some extra Obamacare funding in exchange for agreeing to let them have their political theatre, since the ideal solution from an executive point of view is actually just getting rid of the ceiling entirely.
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PoliGAF 2013 |OT1| Never mind, Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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This is really the best course of action for everybody. Obama gets to basically eliminate the debt ceiling (except for the possibility of a president of one party with both legislative branches dominated to a veto-proof level by the other party, but I'm not sure that that's ever happened in the history of the United States), Congress gets to vote against the debt ceiling without having their votes destroy the country. We should probably ask for some extra Obamacare funding in exchange for agreeing to let them have their political theatre, since the ideal solution from an executive point of view is actually just getting rid of the ceiling entirely.
NYCmetsfan
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Best course would be eliminating it but its the best thing we're gonna get from this tea party congress.
I don't think it will even hurt obama because if he can continue to push it doesnt authorize new spending and at the same time propose deficit cutting measures he can't be pinned as a tax and spend liberal. They'll only be preaching to the choir on that
NYCmetsfan
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...39.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003&ir=Politics
Onion's Biden is getting an autobiography tomorrow!
Onion's Biden is getting an autobiography tomorrow!
The McConnell solution does essentially eliminate it -- by changing it from an affirmative thing that Congress must do to a negative thing that Congress must prevent, it changes the required votes to raise the ceiling from 51% in both houses to 34% (veto-proof) in just one house. All Congress gets in return is the right to complain visibly, which, since they're politicians, is what they actually want.
NYCmetsfan
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I know that I just don't even think they should get to waste time with a pointless vote, just have them bitch about it on their own time. They authorized the money they should have to vote for a new lower budget. Shouldn't even have a vote.
I understand the practical fact its gone with this solution but its still silly and a waste of time
He's also going to do a IAmA at 3pm
Paul Ryan is advising Republicans on how to beat Obama because he was so successful at that in the last election and Mark Rubio is peddling the tea party argument that Obama secretly wants to repeal the 2nd amendment. Am I crazy or is the future of the GOP with these two at the head gonna be a lot of fun?
I've got a lot of funny articles in me if they really are the future.
PhoenixDark
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will believe when it happens. Erickson tends to report stuff like this too fast on twitter
Black Mamba
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I abhor highway/freeway speed limits.
GOP caving already? But this would ruin my first blog post about why the GOP will cave.
airmangataosenai
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ClovingWestbrook
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As opposed to always being wrong like yourself?
Biden himself doing an audiobook version would be perhaps the greatest thing ever created.
Oh man, is such a thing even possible?
I would die a happy man.
Christie sees the shift coming, he'd be fucked in 2016 if he stuck with the Tea Party (in either his reelection or for the presidential).
Truly he's 2016's Mitt Romney.
Yeah but it's pretty funny how vocal he is about it these days. I just wish some of the basic civility that he claims to support would spread to the entire Republican party so we can get some deals done.
Also re: The Onion's Biden character...
I found it hilarious that the real Biden basically became the Onion's Biden today:
hah
andthebeatgoeson
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It's funny that Christie is considered civil. How Jersey and how shitty the rest of the republicans are.
Edit: oops, overlooked the word 'claims'
http://www.examiner.com/article/63-...ve-that-republicans-congress-are-out-of-touch
If there was any doubt that we live in a bizarro world...
If there was any doubt that we live in a bizarro world...
ClovingWestbrook
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I read it as 63% of Republicans believe the GOP congress is out of touch because it has given into the Dem and Obama's demands.
Be cool if I can join? My post history doesn't show me as a blog worthy writer but I was in the yearbook club my junior year of HS, so there's that.
I know every now and then you get people in here that share what their coworkers think about current government doings so I figure I can throw one in.
During a company luncheon, one of the guys mentioned how NY now has a limit on ammo in magazines and one of the other guys said "Do police have the same limit?" One of the others at the table said he didn't care what happens in NY because "they're all commies anyway."
Not entirely sure what that guy meant when he asked if cops would have the same limit as well, but then I don't live in a fantasy world where I expect that one day I'm going to need to fight and topple my government.
During a company luncheon, one of the guys mentioned how NY now has a limit on ammo in magazines and one of the other guys said "Do police have the same limit?" One of the others at the table said he didn't care what happens in NY because "they're all commies anyway."
Not entirely sure what that guy meant when he asked if cops would have the same limit as well, but then I don't live in a fantasy world where I expect that one day I'm going to need to fight and topple my government.
Yup. They're out of touch because they've lost the conservative way and are now just liberal Republicans.
Al-ibn Kermit
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He could just be thinking that there's a double standard where you can't respond with as much ammunition as police officer could if you were ever faced with a criminal.
SpeedySwaf
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That or a number of them are pro-life in the sense they wouldn't abort their child, but not so much they would take the choice away from others.
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
Now that he doesn't have to pander for re-election he 's not scared anymore.... The Republicans literally already did there worse and then some during his first term, to the point their strategy is to repeat themselves.
ClovingWestbrook
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There IS a double standard, because one of you is a police officer and works for the government. He's going to be really mad if he learns that people in the Army are allowed to drive tanks that people not in the Army don't get to drive.
That the proposals are common sense reforms, with the exception of the AWB being a bargaining chip for compromise.
Aaron Strife
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Obama caves too easily. Unless he includes provisions that he wants, in which case he's just being stupid and setting himself up for future caving.
jamesinclair
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Isn't that a joke reference to the civil war?
adamsappel
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Haven't seen this posted:
Michelle Bachmann stiffs her campaign staff, they retaliate by ratting to the feds
http://boingboing.net/2013/01/17/michelle-bachmann-stiffs-her-c.html
Michelle Bachmann stiffs her campaign staff, they retaliate by ratting to the feds
http://boingboing.net/2013/01/17/michelle-bachmann-stiffs-her-c.html
If it is, I don't get it.
Couldn't have happened to a nicer person.
ClassyPenguin
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Only two groups (which overlap) want to see Roe v. Wade overturned: white evangelicals and those who attend religious services at least once a week.
Thank goodness the recent resurgence of pro-life campaigns from the Catholic Church are having very little effect.
Al-ibn Kermit
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Yeah but you're not going to go out to shoot Osama.
In the case of self defense, you may want to make sure that you can shoot them enough times to stop them from taking another step towards you. I have no idea if that's seven rounds or 20 or whatever.
speculawyer
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Best possible response to Donald Trump:
I just wish it was "Go fuck yourself, birther" (if appropriate) or something so we knew exactly why he was he has such animosity toward the pumpkinhead.
speculawyer
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Yeah, I'm a bit skeptical about that as well. It is their fucking platform.
But on the other had, that supports my thesis that all upper echelon rich Republicans don't give a shit about abortion (and actually support keeping it legal) but they only use the abortion issue as a yoke to guide their proletariat tea party base.
jamesinclair
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All those people who say they need guns to protect themselves from the government....
Why do they hate america? Why do they hate this country so much they think the democracy is so fragile? Why are they stocking up to fight their own country? Aren't they traitors? Hang them all.
Why do they hate america? Why do they hate this country so much they think the democracy is so fragile? Why are they stocking up to fight their own country? Aren't they traitors? Hang them all.
speculawyer
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And if they are so concerned about having to eventually fight the evil tyrannical government then why do they freak out if some liberal suggest cutting the defense budget by a few percent? Wouldn't that help them in their fantasy war against the Jack-booted-thug government?
No, they make no fucking sense at all.
We all have progressive auto insurance.
ClovingWestbrook
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Safeco ftw.
ClassyPenguin
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These same people who say Support Our Troops, Don't Question the Govt in Wartime etc
While they also do nothing to combat the poor to no healthcare for veterans, very little mental health counseling and job training/certification.
They're just a miserable pile of contradictions.
andthebeatgoeson
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Probably that quote from the one Chinese leader that spoke about never invading America because there would be a gun around every corner.
It's like national security. Does make you think what kinds of counter insurgency we could put up if ever invaded.
makingmusic476
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It was a Japanese general. Supposedly from WWII. Ya know, when the Japanese started a war with us by attacking Pearl Harbor and further started invading our islands off the coast of Alaska.
(It's a fake quote.)
ThatCrazyGuy
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the Five is a terrible show. Lol.
Gallup had a poll last year showing something like only 10% favoring full prohibition of abortion, which fits pretty well with these numbers. Most Americans have nuanced positions somewhere in the middle. Remember, the Republican platform is set by the craziest people.
jamesinclair
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But these people are actively conspiring against the US government and US army by stockpiling attack weapons.
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