polyh3dron
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Oh the CBO is reliable NOW...
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PoliGAF 2013 |OT1| Never mind, Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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It's not even really that secret. Seriously, try and reinterpret almost everything said by these politicians (except the really crazy ones) through that lens and you can kind of read between the lines to what they really think. I did that throughout the election, and you could really tell there were some interesting things going on with the Romney campaign.
ClovingWestbrook
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Lol
The Librarian
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Mm. Not that this is any surprise, but it looks like GOP members might torpedo the bill. They want spending cuts.
PhoenixDark
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Not against deficit soending; obviously I'd rather add to the deficit with stimulus. I haven't read the report but I'm guessing the permanent AMT fix is a major culprit
I don't see how republicans will vote for this in the house.
ClovingWestbrook
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link?
empty vessel
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That would be good if true, but it's calculated from the baseline, meaning it is including in its analysis a tax cut for everybody below $450 (which to everybody else just looks like the status quo).
It's such a missed opportunity politically too.
How easy it would've been to present an alternative to the American public?
I'm beyond certain that if given the option between across the board rate increase and raising the cap, the electorate would've overwhelmingly support the latter (I usually fact check such claims, but damn, I feel beyond certain. and hung over, there's also that).
But then again, I never really know what to think about any changes to the payroll tax. It's a stupid tax that need to go away, though I have no idea how you go around doing it politically.
PhoenixDark
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Boehner is refusing to even take a side on the bill. No leadership whatsoever.
cartoon_soldier
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That CBO report will sure give Republicans heartburn
Of course if CBO had analyzed the bill 2 days back it would have reduced the debt
Of course if CBO had analyzed the bill 2 days back it would have reduced the debt
The Librarian
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LOL, Cantor opposes it – https://twitter.com/JillDLawrence/status/286189081011027970
Black Republican
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oh my
polyh3dron
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Weeeeeeeeeeeee?
As long as Boehner doesn't come out solidly against it and allows an unwhipped vote, chances still have to be pretty good.
they're just attention whores
The Librarian
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Nah. It's gaining traction Cantor opposes it.
I don't think deficit busting tax cuts gives them heartburns. I think the word you're searching for here is boners.
cartoon_soldier
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lol true
polyh3dron
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But that 1-41 number is after sequestration.
The Librarian
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Where are people getting the 41-1 thing? That is, where is that one dollar in spending cuts? Because the bill doesn't have any.
Also, Twitter is like the best news source ever.
Also, Twitter is like the best news source ever.
cartoon_soldier
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Man I wish the Payroll tax cut would have stayed 
PhoenixDark
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I will admit these current rents are glorious and make me feel better about the deal, even if I dislike the numbers.
It's not gonna pass lol
It's not gonna pass lol
ClovingWestbrook
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What are some good ones to follow?
cartoon_soldier
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It's with the sequester. So more like current law if the deal passes than the Bill itself.
PhoenixDark
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CBO say there are 15b in spending cuts within the bill, vs 620b in taxes
No, other way around. It's totally ignoring the sequester. That's why the ratio of tax increases to spending cuts is so high. Actually, it may count 2 months of sequester delay as new spending. Not sure.
The Librarian
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Jonathan Cohn, Johanathan Chait, Ezra Klein, Suzy Khimm, Sarah Kliff, Josh Marshall, Brian Beutler, Dave Weigel, Sam Stein. They'll retweet other good people.
The Librarian
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Man fuck that. Dems better not give an inch.
cartoon_soldier
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Senate passed with 89, anything new given would be awful.
Obama should hold a news conference everyday reminding Americans that House GOP killed the deal
You're worried about the thread? :lol
BobTheFork
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Not as terrible as the democrats will be if they agree to any new provisions.
Black Mamba
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lol @ people complaining about capital gains taxes. Obama always offered 20%. Now you want to complain he got what he asked for?
Sure, I'd like it to be tied to income, but he was never asking for that.
If this is not a good deal, then what should Obama have given up to get the UE extension and estate tax hike from the last couple years? He had to give up something, so fucking tell me what it would be.
And don't mention sequester or payroll taxes. They weren't on the table here.
If the House doesn't vote on this, Obama needs to exploit this badly. Because it passed with 89 votes in the Senate. The House will look like the clowns they are if played correctly.
Sure, I'd like it to be tied to income, but he was never asking for that.
If this is not a good deal, then what should Obama have given up to get the UE extension and estate tax hike from the last couple years? He had to give up something, so fucking tell me what it would be.
And don't mention sequester or payroll taxes. They weren't on the table here.
If the House doesn't vote on this, Obama needs to exploit this badly. Because it passed with 89 votes in the Senate. The House will look like the clowns they are if played correctly.
PhoenixDark
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If anything they should give less if the House (hopefully) blows up the deal. In fact, the House makes it easier to go back to the 250k rate, to get the middle class tax cut out the way and then work on bigger deal that includes spending cuts, UE benefits, etc.
el retorno
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Well people were asking for the house to blow this up. Looks like that might happen
Black Mamba
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If this deal doesn't pass the House, there won't be a bigger deal. They tried that once and it didn't work.
Your positions are so stupid. You're gung-ho about the $250k level completely oblivious that it's Obama's only real trading chip for the UE extension.
Bring me your deal that could realistically pass at least the Senate that only involves taxes and UE.
And if cuts are added to the mix, no way it gets Dem support in he House. Which means its not even certain Boehner can get it past the House, given this raises more revenue than his Plan B debacle. And as of tomorrow Boehner has fewer members in his caucus so he's got an even narrower margin to work with.
Thread title keeps getting more and more apt.
Black Mamba
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It's a tax increase on no one according to current law. Everyone gets a tax cut.
How can the GOP hold tax cuts hostage for over 98% of Americans just for the top 1-2%? The Spending cuts will come in the debt ceiling and sequester negotiation, not here. The time for a big deal is over, it has to be piece-mealed.
let the House GOP go on record against tax cuts for the middle class + UE benefits for 2 million people for that reason against the backdrop of 89 senator votes. They will all lose badly in 2014, gerrymandering or not.
Now's when Obama needs to take main stage and come on TV and tell everyone that the bill passed with bi-partisan support in the Senate, and he'll sign it as is. If the house republicans mess with it, they're killing the bill. He won't sign it, and the senate and house dems won't vote for it. Pass as is, or the fallout is on you, basically.
PhoenixDark
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It didn't work because it included tax hikes. Any deal on taxes now=tax cut. I would give them 300/350k tax cuts, include some of the least offensive sequestration cuts, Medicare cuts that don't impact benefits (btw, let republicans offer these first), discretionary spending cuts, one year AMT fix instead of permanent, UE benefits, and all the tax credits except for the green energy ones.
That would pass the senate, especially after Thursday. Then go on tv every day demanding a vote in the House. Republicans will not hold out now that everyone's taxes have increased. This is why the cliff is the best option.
polyh3dron
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lol Issa.
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