It's so funny. A quarter of the Republicans are worried about being primaried in 2014, another fifty percent are so paranoid that anything that they pass can be perceived as a 'tax raise' that they can't act on anything, and the final 25 percent will be gone in a few days and so just don't give a fuck anyway. It's pure fucking hilarity.
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PoliGAF 2013 |OT1| Never mind, Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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It's so funny. A quarter of the Republicans are worried about being primaried in 2014, another fifty percent are so paranoid that anything that they pass can be perceived as a 'tax raise' that they can't act on anything, and the final 25 percent will be gone in a few days and so just don't give a fuck anyway. It's pure fucking hilarity.
CharlieDigital
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Wolf Blitzer To GOP Rep. Issa: People ‘Are Going To Hate You’ If You Reject Fiscal Cliff Deal
I know but I just like pointing out their hypocrisy
I know but I just like pointing out their hypocrisy
ClovingWestbrook
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Copper, obviously.
PhoenixDark
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Simply not fucking true; you expect no deal to be passed then, correct? A bare tax cut can be passed once this bill fails, and then you address everything else immediately afterward. It will be labeled a tax cut now.
I would prefer to just do a big deal that includes taxes/spending cuts, but separating makes more sense now. It's easier than spending hours negotiating over amendments. 300/350k rate, plus the estate and dividend/capital gains tax agreement from previous bill. That's it.
You want to pretend like republicans will blow that up too, go ahead.
jamesinclair
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Am I to report you to Blackace and Bish?
Yup. The midterms will be hard.
Plinko
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Wow, I can't believe the GOP is going to let the Teabaggers destroy this.
It's almost as if people don't remember November 2012.
When Brit Hume is calling you out, you know you're screwing up.
Edit: The picture CNN is using of Cantor makes me look like a complete douche.
It's almost as if people don't remember November 2012.
When Brit Hume is calling you out, you know you're screwing up.
Edit: The picture CNN is using of Cantor makes me look like a complete douche.
Black Mamba
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There is no way a simple tax cut would be passed now. The eventual deal will happen when there is enough pressure on the House. We'll see how long it takes, though. But they can't pass a simple tax cut right now unless it's an extension at all income levels.
edit: 2nd caucus meeting about to happen for house GOP.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
So basically, this sets it up for the dems to pass a tax cut for only those under $250,000 now, correct?
Don't the GOP realize how bad that is going to make them look if they don't pass it?
Don't the GOP realize how bad that is going to make them look if they don't pass it?
ClovingWestbrook
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PhoenixDark
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That deal was negotiated before the cliff, it's not hard to see why the house rejected it.
Tell me, what is your plan. I've laid mine out, and my twitter page is now full of Obama Tax Cut For America points. It's the most logical way forward now that we're over the cliff. Start fresh, the senate bill is apparently DOA.
This reminds me of a documentary I watched a while back on the first Iraq war. Schwarzkopf commented that at every single stage of the war, Saddam Hussein did the absolute dumbest thing he could have possibly thought of. That is how Obama must feel right now in regards to the GOP.
polyh3dron
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It makes them heroes for the select people in the ridiculously gerrymandered districts that elected them and that's all they give any fucks about.
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Black Mamba
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My plan would be to bring it to the american people and put pressure on the House to pass.
Let the markets tank for a bit to add that pressure. They'll move once they see the uproar. And if they don't, it means they won't ever move so it doesn't matter.
And i don't care about your twitter page.
Even she is turning on them, lmao
Officerrob
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This is truly amazing. I go out to go see Django, and some back to House Republicans making even bigger fools of themselves then I thought imaginable. Republicans are about to take 100% of the blame for this mess, I can only imagine what will happen on Wall Street tomorrow
PhoenixDark
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https://twitter.com/noamscheiber/status/286219392885342208
Perfect point here. Obama is the perfect foil to pure, irrational obstruction but would get his lunch money (happily) taken by a realistic opposition. Republicans have turned down Medicare age eligibility and Social Security cuts within the last 18 months
Aaron Strife
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He had to know it was a possibility. Win/win either way. Look reasonable in ceding a little ground on tax rates and get a lot more revenue to play with, look reasonable in ceding a little ground on tax rates and having the GOP torpedo a deal before a more liberal Congress comes in.
Synth_floyd
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If you're a Dem then you should want this bill to fail. Wait 2 days and then they'll pass a better one. What's the rush?
PoliGAF 2013 |OT1| Republicans eating their Boehner alive
bodyofanamerican
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I mean geez, when you lose Jen Rubin...I don't even know where to begin.
Black Mamba
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pass a better one how!? The House is still gop controlled.
Uh oh. Issa to launch a House investigation into Wolf Blitzer's beard.
Main cliff-related headline on philly.com is about payroll taxes going up, FWIW:
http://www.philly.com/philly/business/20130101_Payroll_taxes_still_set_to_rise.html
Most corrupt beard of all time.
http://www.philly.com/philly/business/20130101_Payroll_taxes_still_set_to_rise.html
Most corrupt beard of all time.
PhoenixDark
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You're shitting on me while agreeing with half of my argument, wow. We agree Obama should be going to the American people/TV every day hammering the House on this. We differ that I believe the senate deal is completely dead since it was negotiated before the cliff, and a clean tax cut (or bill with tax cuts and spending cuts) would pass.
So why are you being so aggressive against me if we're not far away on points, jeez
So now it's the official GOP position that tax cuts don't pay for themselves?
It's hard to keep up.
Black Mamba
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Everyone agrees Obama should be hammering the House GOP. That's obvious.
My problem with you is your contention that Obama lost badly in the previous deal which is ridiculous and your own proposal was barely different (only a swap of lower income level for undefined spending cuts but ignoring that he already swapped in credit phaseouts) yet you harped on how bad it was.
I don't believe a simple tax cut plan can pass this week. period.
Black Mamba
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When is the inauguration, btw?
PhoenixDark
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Jan 20th. Dunno if we could go that far without passing something
Blitzer found his balls, they were hidden somewhere in his beard.
Exactly. What's the guarantee that Obama can get a better deal than his so-called cave (apparently the teabaggers don't think he caved!) after the markets start tanking and all the politicians who aren't nihilists are freaking out?
The GOP has shown that they don't give a fuck about anything but their ideology and if they torpedo this bill, why wouldn't they hold out for more concessions from people who care about the country?
PhoenixDark
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Hopefully they add a Sharia Law amendment
I heard they are bringing back the gold standard.
PhoenixDark
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I can't stand her. Bring back Howard Dean.
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Wolf didn't even know how to respond to it.
Synth_floyd
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The head of the DNC or RNC is always the partisan hack in chief. You can't really expect anything else.
He was like "yup... well, you said it" or something like that lol
eBay Huckster
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why does it always have to be 11th dimension chess with you people
why can't it ever just be the GOP being shitlords in spite of being handed everything
If we're going for lulz value only, I hope they say they wouldn't pass a bill until Hilary testify on Benghazi.
For the same reason people love conspiracy theories.
Competence, even malevolent, is more comforting than this fucking clown show.
Rhomega Beta
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Now there are Russians telling us to beware of socialism:
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/28-12-2012/123335-americans_guns-0/
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/28-12-2012/123335-americans_guns-0/
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The Autumn Wind
We're not saying they're not shitlords. Just that Obama knew they would be shitlords.
eBay Huckster
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The magnitude of the GOP gains in 2010 and the resultant gerrymandering was an exhibition in competence, everything else (and since) has been a clown car straight up
For the same reason that it's always a cave.
eBay Huckster
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But is it also the same reason it's never lupus?
The most I'd give him is that he probably *expected* them to be shitlords but really hoped they wouldn't. The man [still] isn't as polarized as most of us, after all.
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Sure, and it's actually the reason he's been willing to compromise. However, he knows if they don't pass this, he has even more leverage. It's win-win for him.
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