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PoliGAF 2014 |OT| Kay Hagan and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad News

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B-Dubs

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AntoneM said:
Apologies up front for sounding a little too main OT forum.

It occurs to me that our government has no realistic means to break up a bank deemed to big to fail since there is too much competition and it would be nearly impossible to prove any sort of collusion.

We still have banks that are too big to fail in that we can't allow them to implode and go out of business for fear that it would ruin our economy. This seems to be an accepted truth of the majority of the federal congress.

So what are the implications?

Does that mean that a bank (its board of directors actually) can threaten the US economy if they don't like a particular piece of legislation?

Is that not reason enough to pass legislation that allows the government to break up a bank that is so large and influential that it can threaten to crash the economy if it doesn't get its way?
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We really should break up the banks, if only because the increased competition will lead to better outcomes for consumers. Which is exactly why it won't happen.
 
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zero shift

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APKmetsfan said:
read the article, i can tell you haven't
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Okay you got me.

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To be fair the article is like 30 pages long, but in redemption I did finally finish reading it.

While it is a very well written article and makes some good points, I still disagree. If you want to tackle the problems within the black community you need to fix the problems of the general lower class first or else it will be for naught.
 
benjipwns

benjipwns

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BENGHAZI BOMBSHELL
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politic...ube-during-benghazi-attack-darrell-issa-says/

A still-classified State Department e-mail says that one of the first responses from the White House to the Benghazi attack was to contact YouTube to warn of the “ramifications” of allowing the posting of an anti-Islamic video, according to Rep. Darrell Issa, the Republican chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

The memo suggests that even as the attack was still underway — and before the CIA began the process of compiling talking points on its analysis of what happened — the White House believed it was in retaliation for a controversial video.

The subject line of the e-mail, which was sent at 9:11 p.m. Eastern Time on the night of the attack, is “Update on Response to actions – Libya.” The e-mail was written hours before the attack was over.

Issa has asked the White House to declassify and release the document. In the meantime he has inserted a sentence from the e-mail in the Congressional Record.

“White House is reaching out to U-Tube [sic] to advice ramification of the posting of the Pastor Jon video,” the e-mail reads, according to Issa.

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“The e-mail shows the White House had hurried to settle on a false narrative — one at odds with the conclusions reached by those on the ground — before Americans were even out of harm’s way or the intelligence community had made an impartial examination of available evidence,” Issa said.

Issa is calling on the White House to release an unclassified version of the document.

“While the information I have cited from this e-mail is clearly unclassified, the State Department has attempted to obstruct its disclosure by not providing Congress with an unclassified copy of this document,” Issa said.
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thepotatoman

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benjipwns said:
BENGHAZI BOMBSHELL
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politic...ube-during-benghazi-attack-darrell-issa-says/
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I guess it's a bombshell if you believe the whole youtube thing was completely fabricated only for Benghazi, but the Youtube video was a real thing that was causing real protests throughout the sector. Of course the White House would be considering options on how to tackle the situation. "White House is reaching out to U-Tube to advice ramification of the posting of the Pastor Jon video" doesn't even sound political at all. It sounds like behind the scenes diplomacy at a time when behind the scenes diplomacy was needed.
 
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Piecake

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thepotatoman said:
I guess it's a bombshell if you believe the whole youtube thing was completely fabricated only for Benghazi, but the Youtube video was a real thing that was causing real protests throughout the sector. Of course the Whitehouse be considering options on how to tackle the situation. "White House is reaching out to U-Tube to advice ramification of the posting of the Pastor Jon video" doesn't even sound political at all. It sounds like behind the scenes diplomacy at a time when behind the scenes diplomacy was needed.
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Those protests were all fabricated by the CIA to give further credence to the whole youtube explanation.
 
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NYCmetsfan

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The bigger thing is that the state department is asking Youtube to take down videos.

I sympathize with their reasons in this case but that's not something I can really get behind as policy? Do they talk with publishers about books critical of islam or other areas that might hurt US policy?

Of course republicans don't take that angle which might have some resonance
 
benjipwns

benjipwns

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APKmetsfan said:
Do they talk with publishers about books critical of islam or other areas that might hurt US policy?
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I do know that a lot of books regarding foreign policy get cleared before publishing. Especially those that would have anything to do with intelligence. I don't know the specifics of why though.
 
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NYCmetsfan

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benjipwns said:
I do know that a lot of books regarding foreign policy get cleared before publishing. Especially those that would have anything to do with intelligence. I don't know the specifics of why though.
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I understand that. But I believe that is only people who have worked in intelligence and national defense. Private citizens expressing their own believes? Though I don't know what was discussed. There's a difference between talking to youtube about how to minimize damages like with PR and what not and asking them to take it down.
Cyan said:
I'll bet they talked to that Florida dude who was super into burning Korans.
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Isn't it the same dude?
 
benjipwns

benjipwns

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Wow, I never knew that dude has a sweet ass handlebar mustache.

On April 28, 2012, Jones burned a copy of the Qur'an, protesting the imprisonment of an Iranian-American Pastor, Saeed Abedini in Iran.[52] Jones was fined $271 by Gainesville Fire Rescue for burning books without authorization.
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Police arrested Jones on September 11, 2013, before he could burn 2,998 Korans soaked with kerosene at a park in Polk County, Florida. He was charged with unlawfully conveying fuel
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heh
 
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thepotatoman

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APKmetsfan said:
I understand that. But I believe that is only people who have worked in intelligence and national defense. Private citizens expressing their own believes? Though I don't know what was discussed. There's a difference between talking to youtube about how to minimize damages like with PR and what not and asking them to take it down.
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Is there a difference? It seems like giving reasons why they might want to take something down is pretty much the same as asking to take something down. As long as there's no coercion involved, I think it's probably generally ok.

However, I think it is a little bit more creepy when we're talking about the government talking to one of the few dozen companies who owns our primary means of disseminating information. Google might not be a public entity, but they're so big and important to society that for this sort of free speech context, treating it just like another private business might not be quite the right way to look at them either.

Cyan said:
Even if you're already mired in conspiracy theories, it seems like a huge stretch to tie this into them. White House reaches out to Youtube, telling them this video is causing problems in the Middle East. How does this advance the conspiracy? What happens, if Youtube takes down the video, that helps hide the secret truth of Benghazi?

The only way this could possibly work is if the administration sent the email as part of a plan to make it look like the video had caused Benghazi, and intended to release the email later to corroborate that version of events. Except... they didn't release it. It's still hidden away.

Unless this is some real next-level shit, where they knew Issa would find this email and publicize it, and by doing so help exonerate them of the conspiracy theory that they clearly knew was coming and oh god my brain
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So no matter what path you take on this conspiracy, it all comes back to Issa being an idiot.
 
benjipwns

benjipwns

Banned
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/conte...try-angry-about-democratic-picks-benghazi-spe
Former congressman Allen West is angry about the Democratic picks for the latest House panel investigating the 2012 Benghazi attack. Speaking yesterday with Janet Mefferd, West criticized Elijah Cummings, Adam Smith, Adam Schiff, Linda Sanchez and Tammy Duckworth, the Democratic lawmakers picked to fill the party’s five slots on the 12-member GOP-led “special committee.”

West especially raised doubts about Duckworth, a veteran who lost both of her legs and the use of her right arm in the Iraq War, raising suspicions about her loyalty to the country.

“Tammy Duckworth, you know I just don’t know where her loyalties lie, for her to have been a veteran and a wounded warrior for the United States Army, she should know that this is not the right thing and hopefully she will remember the oath of office that she took as an Army officer and not the allegiance I guess she believes she has to the liberal progressives of the Democrat [sic] party,” West said.
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RustyNails

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APKmetsfan said:
The bigger thing is that the state department is asking Youtube to take down videos.

I sympathize with their reasons in this case but that's not something I can really get behind as policy? Do they talk with publishers about books critical of islam or other areas that might hurt US policy?

Of course republicans don't take that angle which might have some resonance
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There are lot people in US that are way, way more critical of Islam than that Florida pastor. Every day they are coming up with crazier ways to critize Islam. Next week Pamela Geller is going to run ads in DC buses comparing nazism to Islam or something. This week they ran ads in NYT. State dept is not going to tell them not to. Problem with Florida pastor was that he was trying to incite violence with a youtube video knowing full well that he is going to put peoples lives in danger. He is an idiot.

Besides, the guy burned the Qur'an anyway. He just didn't advertise it.
 
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Chumly

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benjipwns said:
BENGHAZI BOMBSHELL
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politic...ube-during-benghazi-attack-darrell-issa-says/
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I like how Darrell Issa continues to make something out of nothing. Can you imagine if they sat around on their asses while people were protesting this video? Issa would be investigating and faulting them for that. Its a no win situation with republicans. No matter what you do your in the wrong.

So consider the fact that there were ACTUAL protests related to the video I don't think its that fucking far fetched that the white house would want to pull the video down to try and calm the region. Whether its right or not is another matter.

That is what gets me about this. Its NOT unreasonable to have the initial conclusion that Benghazi was part of the youtube video requests. Yes we know now its not but in the immediate aftermath the video could easily take the blame. I mean my god they officially said 10 days later that it had nothing to do with it. What a cover up for 10 whopping days. How long did we go on the WMD's in Iraq? Yet Issa or any other pathetic Republicans like McCain couldn't give a shit less that we want to war over something that wasn't real.
 
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The Technomancer

card-carrying scientician
benjipwns said:
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/conte...try-angry-about-democratic-picks-benghazi-spe
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“Tammy Duckworth, you know I just don’t know where her loyalties lie, for her to have been a veteran and a wounded warrior for the United States Army, she should know that this is not the right thing and hopefully she will remember the oath of office that she took as an Army officer and not the allegiance I guess she believes she has to the liberal progressives of the Democrat [sic] party,” West said.
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Oh you piece of shit
 
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RustyNails

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Chumly said:
I like how Darrell Issa continues to make something out of nothing. Can you imagine if they sat around on their asses while people were protesting this video? Issa would be investigating and faulting them for that. Its a no win situation with republicans. No matter what you do your in the wrong.

So consider the fact that there were ACTUAL protests related to the video I don't think its that fucking far fetched that the white house would want to pull the video down to try and calm the region. Whether its right or not is another matter.

That is what gets me about this. Its NOT unreasonable to have the initial conclusion that Benghazi was part of the youtube video requests. Yes we know now its not but in the immediate aftermath the video could easily take the blame. I mean my god they officially said 10 days later that it had nothing to do with it. What a cover up for 10 whopping days. How long did we go on the WMD's in Iraq? Yet Issa or any other pathetic Republicans like McCain couldn't give a shit less that we want to war over something that wasn't real.
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I hope there's a secretly recorded audio out there where Darrell Issa talks about Benghazi witch hunt as a political issue against Obama and Hillary. We all know he did have that talk. Just behind closed doors is all.
 
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Wilsongt

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So a lawmaker in Virgina wants to impeach the AG because he supports gay marriage, or as he calls it "Sodomy "marriage"".

I wonder if these people realize that straight people can be sodomites, also. I mean, anything that's not simply just missionary only is sodomy.

...Oh

In the email, Marshall also extended a threat to impeach judges who might overturn bans on same-sex marriage. Rulings based on the 14th Amendment’s equal protection “make no sense,” he argued, because when that Amendment was ratified, “sodomy was a felony in nearly every state.”
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Wilsongt

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gcubed said:
But Hay Kagan?
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Don't you know? She had a heart attack from all the bad news.

Utah's governor has things to say about gay marriage.

He said seeing Oregon and Pennsylvania leaders this week decide not to appeal rulings from federal judges striking down bans there does nothing to change his thinking. He said those leaders should be "called on the carpet" for their decision.

"For elected officials, governors or attorney generals, to pick and choose what laws [they] will enforce I think is a tragedy, and is the next step to anarchy," Herbert said. "We have an obligation as a state to defend those laws."

"What you choose to do with your sexual orientation is different in my mind than what you're born with as far as your race," Herbert said. He added later: "What your attraction may be is something else, but how you act upon those impulses is a choice."
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For all of these religious folks saying being gay is a choice and that you choose to act on your impulse they are basically saying lying about who you are is okay in the eyes of God and your spouse, if you choose to get married to a woman.
 
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Aaron Strife

Banned
PPP poll of Georgia

General

Nunn 45
Kingston 45

Nunn 48
Perdue 46

Runoff

Kingston 46
Perdue 34
Undecided 20

Governor

Deal 43
Carter 43
Hunt 7
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Funny how they're always accused of being biased towards the Democrats yet show worse numbers for Nunn than Rasmussen

And Nunn is close to 50 against Perdue! Gotta beat that runoff.
 
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thepotatoman

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Kingston 46
Perdue 34
Undecided 20
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Oh boy. I was hoping for something like that. I guess Georgia really is in play for the democrats.
 
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KingK

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I just posted this in the capital punishment thread, but I just found out that the county sheriff from my hometown, who flew to Cliven Bundy's ranch (from Indiana) last month and spent 3 days chillin with the militia is up for reelection this November and is running unopposed. Wat. The. Fuck. I hate my hometown so much.
 
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eBay Huckster

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zero shift said:
Because I imagine the money that goes towards reparations would go further if it was spent on addressing general inequality instead.
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if you're expecting it to "go further" for black people w/ all the historical evidence from existing anti-poverty programs indicating otherwise (evidence that i'm pretty sure TNC brings up in the article spawning this conversation) i don't know what to tell you
 
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rocketknight

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...g-plum-obama-slams-both-sides-to-blame-media/

Barack Obama said:
You’ll hear if you watch the nightly news or you read the newspapers that, well, there’s gridlock, Congress is broken, approval ratings for Congress are terrible. And there’s a tendency to say, a plague on both your houses. But the truth of the matter is that the problem in Congress is very specific. We have a group of folks in the Republican Party who have taken over who are so ideologically rigid, who are so committed to an economic theory that says if folks at the top do very well then everybody else is somehow going to do well; who deny the science of climate change; who don’t think making investments in early childhood education makes sense; who have repeatedly blocked raising a minimum wage so if you work full-time in this country you’re not living in poverty; who scoff at the notion that we might have a problem with women not getting paid for doing the same work that men are doing.

They, so far, at least, have refused to budge on bipartisan legislation to fix our immigration system, despite the fact that every economist who’s looked at it says it’s going to improve our economy, cut our deficits, help spawn entrepreneurship, and alleviate great pain from millions of families all across the country.

So the problem…is not that the Democrats are overly ideological — because the truth of the matter is, is that the Democrats in Congress have consistently been willing to compromise and reach out to the other side. There are no radical proposals coming out from the left. When we talk about climate change, we talk about how do we incentivize through the market greater investment in clean energy. When we talk about immigration reform there’s no wild-eyed romanticism. We say we’re going to be tough on the borders, but let’s also make sure that the system works to allow families to stay together…

When we talk about taxes we don’t say we’re going to have rates in the 70 percent or 90 percent when it comes to income like existed here 50, 60 years ago. We say let’s just make sure that those of us who have been incredibly blessed by this country are giving back to kids so that they’re getting a good start in life, so that they get early childhood education…Health care — we didn’t suddenly impose some wild, crazy system. All we said was let’s make sure everybody has insurance. And this made the other side go nuts — the simple idea that in the wealthiest nation on Earth, nobody should go bankrupt because somebody in their family gets sick, working within a private system.

So when you hear a false equivalence that somehow, well, Congress is just broken, it’s not true. What’s broken right now is a Republican Party that repeatedly says no to proven, time-tested strategies to grow the economy, create more jobs, ensure fairness, open up opportunity to all people.
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Who missed this, you all or me?
 
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