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Avon Barksdale

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NYCmetsfan

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So a republican family member of mine got me a christmas present. A book of the writings of Thomas Paine, he told me he likes his stuff.

I was confused because Thomas Paine attacked Christianity, landed property And proposed a universal basic income in the 18th century, he's like the start of the US inflammatory left. Lol.

Great gift though
 
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Grexeno

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APKmetsfan said:
So a republican family member of mine got me a christmas present. A book of the writings of Thomas Paine, he told me he likes his stuff.

I was confused because Thomas Paine attacked Christianity, landed property And proposed a universal basic income in the 18th century, he's like the start of the US inflammatory left. Lol.

Great gift though
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No one ever said conservatives actually understand the political philosophers they like to idolize.
 
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NYCmetsfan

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Grexeno said:
No one ever said conservatives actually understand the political philosophers they like to idolize.
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I'm struggling to find any that would match up with the current state of the party, at least economicaly. Its pretty much only Rand.

I read this wretched book about Edmund Burke being pro tea party. Horsecrap Burke would be a democrat, they line up with most of his stances today just because someone was a conservative in regards to the French revolution and defended property against more socialistically inclined forces doesn't make him a modern day Conservative
 
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Oblivion

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Obama's approval rating is at 48% according to Gallup. It seems the worst president ever tied with best president ever in their respective time frames:

But how does Obama compare to other presidents who spent their sixth Christmas in the White House? Gallup polls showed President George W. Bush at 37 percent at this time in his presidency. Only Harry Truman (33 percent) was lower (for December 1950). Fellow Texan Lyndon B. Johnson was at 44 percent after his party suffered setbacks in the 1966 election. Ronald Reagan polled at 48 percent in December of 1986. The best in the survey include Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower (57 percent), despite his own party's struggle in the 1958 election, and Bill Clinton, who had a whopping 67 percent despite impeachment woes.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-...nion-polls_b_6383892.html?utm_hp_ref=politics
 
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Oblivion

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Holy shit.

SSE = Supply-Side Economics
SSE = Subspace emissary

Both were sold as novel concepts that would bring about good times, yet were in fact, terrible ideas.

Coincidence?
 
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PhoenixDark

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Can anyone find a single Sharpton quote where he calls for violence against police, or violence against any group? "No justice no peace" is not a violent mantra, and is in line with MLK's rhetoric. I'm not a fan of Sharpton, in fact I think he's an opportunist piece of shit, but I've never personally heard him call for violence.
 
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Oblivion

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APKmetsfan said:
So a republican family member of mine got me a christmas present. A book of the writings of Thomas Paine, he told me he likes his stuff.

I was confused because Thomas Paine attacked Christianity, landed property And proposed a universal basic income in the 18th century, he's like the start of the US inflammatory left. Lol.

Great gift though
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Aside from that stupid crying bit, it was Glenn Beck's love of Thomas Paine that made me realize the dude's a straight up troll and not a true believer of right-wing thinking.

Like, seriously, I don't think you could pick a worse founding father to worship if you happen to be a conservative. Dude was a Marxist before Marx was born.

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Can anyone find a single Sharpton quote where he calls for violence against police, or violence against any group? "No justice no peace" is not a violent mantra, and is in line with MLK's rhetoric. I'm not a fan of Sharpton, in fact I think he's an opportunist piece of shit, but I've never personally heard him call for violence.
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According to conservatives, just cause you don't actually call out for violence against the police, doesn't mean you're not secretly wishing/thinking about violence against the police. It's not so much what Sharpton's actually done, but what he represents.

Also, Sharpton might have had a pretty shitty past, but he's been pretty good over the past few years.
 
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FiggyCal

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PhoenixDark said:
Can anyone find a single Sharpton quote where he calls for violence against police, or violence against any group? "No justice no peace" is not a violent mantra, and is in line with MLK's rhetoric. I'm not a fan of Sharpton, in fact I think he's an opportunist piece of shit, but I've never personally heard him call for violence.
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I remember a similar situation back when he, and other civil rights "leaders" were petitioning the DOJ to push for criminal charges against Zimmerman after he got off free from the second degree murder charge. People were making the same accusation that he was inciting violence by not bowing down to authority and supporting the family of the victim. Now they're saying the same thing because of his refusal to simply accept the grand jury's decisions for the killer cops' murders of Mike Brown and Eric Garner and instead asking for justice. The conservatives, not caring about what justice looks like for black people, think the matter is settled already and are insulted to see uppity black people like Sharpton aren't completely satisfied. It's also a great political moment to criticize the usual suspects: Obama, Al Sharpton, Bill de Blasio and Eric Holder.

I wouldn't take conservative hatred of anyone seriously.
 
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Tim-E

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I guess that's what I'm getting it. I know there are plenty of other Democrats who were treated just as vilely by the right, but I feel like if the president was white right now you wouldn't see things like WV electing its first Republican senator in who knows how long.
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This isn't true at all. The national democrats taking a staunch stance against climate change and supporting initiatives to wind back on coal (in conjunction with the market moving on to other things such as natural gas and the right's War on Coal campaign) is what caused the state to continue its rightward shift. That, and the state's two most prominent democrats over the last several decades have either died or retired, so the advantage of seniority has evaporated. The process of the rightward shift started long before Obama took office.
 
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Fenderputty

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Wilsongt said:
Just goes to show that the GOP doesn't learn and they are the poster children for doing the same thing over and over without different results.
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Yeah but if the voters don't take them time to realize the drug tests cost more than they prevent then nothing will change. The whole, "we want to make sure the moochers aren't taking our taxes for drugs" angle works well with even progressive voters.
 
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Wilsongt

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Fenderputty said:
Yeah but if the voters don't take them time to realize the drug tests cost more than they prevent then nothing will change. The whole, "we want to make sure the moochers aren't taking our taxes for drugs" angle works well with even progressive voters.
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The American electorate has the voting intellect of a ham sandwich.

And GoflWeddingGate is a go. I look forward to FartinginthewindGate.
 
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Wilsongt

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Family of the Year goes to:

Bob McDonnell's children for throwing their mother under the bus!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...2e9073-d6a4-4482-ade1-1feddb678296_story.html

One of former Virginia governor Robert F. McDonnell’s daughters says his stunning downfall and conviction on public corruption charges can largely be attributed to the corrosive effects of just one person: her mother.

Jeanine McDonnell Zubowsky wrote in a blunt letter to a federal judge that it was former first lady Maureen McDonnell’s materialism and mental-health issues that derailed the rising political career of her husband. The letter of support for Robert McDonnell was part of a trove of 440 submitted by his attorneys, who are seeking leniency at his Jan. 6 sentencing in Richmond.

“My mom . . . has always been concerned about getting discounts or freebees,” McDonnell Zubowsky wrote. “She hid her coordination with people for free or discounted things or services and she didn’t communicate with my dad because she knew he would not approve. . . . The testimony about my mom was not just part of a defense strategy and was not an attempt to ‘throw her under the bus,’ but unfortunately, was the reality.”
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If I were their mother, they would get disowned in a heartbeat.
 
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Oblivion

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Rush Limbaugh's this close to converting to Islam:

Following a visit in March to Tacloban, the Philippine city devastated in 2012 by typhoon Haiyan, the pope will publish a rare encyclical on climate change and human ecology. Urging all Catholics to take action on moral and scientific grounds, the document will be sent to the world’s 5,000 Catholic bishops and 400,000 priests, who will distribute it to parishioners.
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http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2014_12/pope_francis_and_the_new_moral053506.php
 
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Aaron Strife

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Tim-E said:
This isn't true at all. The national democrats taking a staunch stance against climate change and supporting initiatives to wind back on coal (in conjunction with the market moving on to other things such as natural gas and the right's War on Coal campaign) is what caused the state to continue its rightward shift. That, and the state's two most prominent democrats over the last several decades have either died or retired, so the advantage of seniority has evaporated. The process of the rightward shift started long before Obama took office.
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Dunno if I clarified this in another post, but my view is essentially this: while these states have been lurching right for years, electing a black president gave the GOP a boost that got them over the hump into their current majorities. For many southern white voters there is no greater boogeyman to be associated with than Obama and the reason for that is...

Even as Obama has won two elections by fairly comfortable margins, his race has been a pretty big boon for Southern Republicans. This isn't just happening in WV, it's happening in KY, AR, LA, etc.
 
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NYCmetsfan

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Aaron Strife said:
Dunno if I clarified this in another post, but my view is essentially this: while these states have been lurching right for years, electing a black president gave the GOP a boost that got them over the hump into their current majorities. For many southern white voters there is no greater boogeyman to be associated with than Obama and the reason for that is...
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Your gonna stick by this even when people talk about the shifts happening earlier and the fact obama improved on white Kerry's performace in places like the south and midwest. Your just making correlation = causation. Nobody went right because Obama is black. They dislike his politics and tended to already racialize them which has spread to their descriptions of the president. But the voters that shifted (not the tea partieres who have been anti-civil rights and progressive policy since 1850 or so) didn't switch because Obama is black. See the popularity of Carson or Cain.

Its the politics and what they represent that matters not the literal color of their skin. this is no doubt racially motivated but the "having a black man has made people go crazy" is overblown and annoying because it provides no attempt at understanding the underlying forces of american politics and just says these people are evil because.
 
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House Majority Whip Scalise confirms he spoke at a White Suprimisit Convention

Rep. Steve Scalise (R-La.), the newly elected House majority whip, acknowledged Monday that he spoke at a gathering hosted by white nationalist leaders while serving as a state representative in 2002, thrusting a racial controversy into House Republican ranks days before the party assumes control of both congressional chambers.

The 48-year-old Scalise, who ascended to the House GOP’s third-ranking post earlier this year, confirmed through an adviser that he once appeared at a convention of the European-American Unity and Rights Organization.

That organization, founded by former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke, has been called a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

“Beyond hosting a Web site, whitecivilrights. com, and staging an occasional conference, EURO is a paper tiger, serving primarily as a vehicle to publicize Duke’s writing and sell his books,” the SPLC writes on its Web site.

In a statement, Scalise’s spokesperson Moira Bagley emphasized that the then-state lawmaker was unaware at the time of the group’s ideology and its association with racists and neo-Nazi activists.
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Wow. When I first saw this linked on reddit to the wierd URL of cenlamar.com, using Stormfront posts as the only evidence, I didn't believe it, but Robert Costa followed up and I guess it was actually true. I guess you can believe everything you see on the internet.

So, is it really possible that Scalise could have simply made an honest mistake like that?
 
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Poodlestrike

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thepotatoman said:
House Majority Whip Scalise confirms he spoke at a White Suprimisit Convention



Wow. When I first saw this linked on reddit to the wierd URL of cenlamar.com, using Stormfront posts as the only evidence, I didn't believe it, but Robert Costa followed up and I guess it was actually true. I guess you can believe everything you see on the internet.

So, is it really possible that Scalise could have simply made an honest mistake like that?
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Never assume malice when simple stupidity will do. I'd say it''s possible.
 
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NYCmetsfan

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thepotatoman said:
House Majority Whip Scalise confirms he spoke at a White Suprimisit Convention



Wow. When I first saw this linked on reddit to the wierd URL of cenlamar.com, using Stormfront posts as the only evidence, I didn't believe it, but Robert Costa followed up and I guess it was actually true. I guess you can believe everything you see on the internet.

So, is it really possible that Scalise could have simply made an honest mistake like that?
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He probably didn't know who they were but its not an excuse. It was David dukes organization, david Duke isn't an unknown in LA
 
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B-Dubs

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thepotatoman said:
House Majority Whip Scalise confirms he spoke at a White Suprimisit Convention



Wow. When I first saw this linked on reddit to the wierd URL of cenlamar.com, using Stormfront posts as the only evidence, I didn't believe it, but Robert Costa followed up and I guess it was actually true. I guess you can believe everything you see on the internet.

So, is it really possible that Scalise could have simply made an honest mistake like that?
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His entire camp would have to be wildly incompetent, but it being a mistake is possible.
 
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thepotatoman

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APKmetsfan said:
He probably didn't know who they were but its not an excuse. It was David dukes organization, david Duke isn't an unknown in LA
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You're right about that. In 1999, Duke got 19% of the vote in the run for the US house representative seat, second place got 22%, and first place got 25%, putting him extremely close to advancing to the runoff for that seat. I'm sure that alone turned a few heads toward him openly being a grand wizard in the KKK while running, for anyone following politics in Louisiana.

This conference openly stated that it's primary purpose is to sell David Duke books, which in 2002 was probably mostly "Jewish Supremacism: My Awakening", meaning there had to be a ton of his books on display that Scalise had to walk by on his way into the conference. And we're supposed to believe that even that didn't tip any alarms off in Scalise's head?

If not malicious, it is certainly grossly incompetent.
 
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CygnusXS

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thepotatoman said:
You're right about that. In 1999, Duke got 19% of the vote in the run for the US house representative seat, second place got 22%, and first place got 25%, putting him extremely close to advancing to the runoff for that seat. I'm sure that alone turned a few heads toward him openly being a grand wizard in the KKK while running, for anyone following politics in Louisiana.

This conference openly stated that it's primary purpose is to sell Daisy Duke books, which in 2002 was probably mostly "Jewish Supremacism: My Awakening", meaning there had to be a ton of his books on display that Scalise had to walk by on his way into the conference. And we're supposed to believe that even that didn't tip any alarms off in Scalise's head?

If not malicious, it is certainly grossly incompetent.
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Yeah, considering the incompetence required, it's not a great defense.
 
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Diablos

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thepotatoman said:
House Majority Whip Scalise confirms he spoke at a White Suprimisit Convention



Wow. When I first saw this linked on reddit to the wierd URL of cenlamar.com, using Stormfront posts as the only evidence, I didn't believe it, but Robert Costa followed up and I guess it was actually true. I guess you can believe everything you see on the internet.

So, is it really possible that Scalise could have simply made an honest mistake like that?
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I don't know, but either way, is anyone really surprised at all this is a headline? "Republican shitstain acted like an even bigger shitstain back in 2002 when no one knew who he was." Well, okay.

Fenderputty said:
Pope Frank tackling climate change now? Anything this man can't do?
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Actually prove there's a hell and send Republican lawmakers there.

Would go from best Pope ever to... like... I don't think there's a word.
 
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Aaron Strife

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APKmetsfan said:
Your gonna stick by this even when people talk about the shifts happening earlier and the fact obama improved on white Kerry's performace in places like the south and midwest. Your just making correlation = causation. Nobody went right because Obama is black. They dislike his politics and tended to already racialize them which has spread to their descriptions of the president. But the voters that shifted (not the tea partieres who have been anti-civil rights and progressive policy since 1850 or so) didn't switch because Obama is black. See the popularity of Carson or Cain.

Its the politics and what they represent that matters not the literal color of their skin. this is no doubt racially motivated but the "having a black man has made people go crazy" is overblown and annoying because it provides no attempt at understanding the underlying forces of american politics and just says these people are evil because.
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Obama improved on Kerry because Obama won and Kerry lost. It was a ten point swing.

And yet there are still areas that went more heavily for McCain than Bush 04. Guess where they were located?
 
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thepotatoman

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Diablos said:
I don't know, but either way, is anyone really surprised at all this is a headline? "Republican shitstain acted like an even bigger shitstain back in 2002 when no one knew who he was." Well, okay.
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Maybe it's not a surprising headline, but it is still a deserving one.

Eric Ericson on Red State is not letting Scalise off on this.

Oblivion said:
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http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/29/politics/steve-scalise-white-supremacist-group-speech/
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Oh my god this is too much. Wow.
 
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NeoXChaos

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Aaron Strife said:
Obama improved on Kerry because Obama won and Kerry lost. It was a ten point swing.

And yet there are still areas that went more heavily for McCain than Bush 04. Guess where they were located?
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The South I suppose. Anyway, I agree with your premise although I argue at the very least Obama accelerated the process. I still feel that it would have happened with Hillary too.

Its a pipe dream to suggest that Hillary will put her Husband's states in play such as the Southern 5 (AR, LA, TN, KY, WV) just because of her being white/wife of bill/last name/NOT OBAMA etc.

Policies matter and Hillary is no Bill in terms of triangulation and moderate appeal/southern.
 
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Its the same with Jeb. He can put FL, PA, MI, MN, CO, IA NV & NM "in play" but putting states like some of those "in play" means nothing if at the end of the day he does not win them. Sure he "keeps them close" but if he cant build a lasting future presidential game, then what does the next nominee hope for if jeb could not pass the electoral finish line with all his supposed "strengths",

All jeb's candidacy is a delay of the electoral inevitable. If Jeb loses, then what? Another 8 years locked out of the WH and further demographic shifts pushes them back further. I dont see why they should be too upset about that considering they control the MAJORITY of everything in this country beside the SC & WH. 1

Governors, Legislatures, State wide offices like AG, TR etc Congress.

They already shape policy for up to 30 states.
 
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CygnusXS

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Poodlestrike said:
I...

Wait.

Is he equating the League of Women Voters with a white supremacist group? Like "oh, they're about as liberal as these other guys are conservative, so it balances out?"

That's... kind of hilarious.

And awful.
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I think it's more just "I talk to people I don't agree with" which still doesn't sound great when the League of Women Voters is your example.
 
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HylianTom

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NeoXChaos said:
The South I suppose. Anyway, I agree with your premise although I argue at the very least Obama accelerated the process. I still feel that it would have happened with Hillary too.

Its a pipe dream to suggest that Hillary will put her Husband's states in play such as the Southern 5 (AR, LA, TN, KY, WV) just because of her being white/wife of bill/last name/NOT OBAMA etc.

Policies matter and Hillary is no Bill in terms of triangulation and moderate appeal/southern.
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I think the fact that Democrats have held the White House for 8 years is going to out a bit of a ceiling on what Hillary (or any Democrat, really) can achieve. Voters seem hesitant to keep one party in for too long.

(And if something freaky were to happen where she wins Louisiana, I'm going to wear the most silently smug face at the following family holiday gathering..)
 
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HylianTom said:
I think the fact that Democrats have held the White House for 8 years is going to out a bit of a ceiling on what Hillary (or any Democrat, really) can achieve. Voters seem hesitant to keep one party in for too long.

(And if something freaky were to happen where she wins Louisiana, I'm going to wear the most silently smug face at the following family holiday gathering..)
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Any state is possible for Clinton to win under a perfect storm of circumstances BUT 99.9% likely she wont win states that haven't been won by a D since Johnson's landslide and even that election was a perfect storm of circumstances.

Kansas is one of those Im looking at. That state like the Utah's of the world will IF they ever were to become purple, would I argue take a migration. In other words, take the most liberal 2,000,000 CA citizens and slam them into Utah while taking out 2,000,000 utah citizens and scatter them into various other states. Basically, a VA change where northern VA got DC citizens making that state competitive even though South VA is basically still Conservative and rural.
 
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Oblivion

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Oh man...

And he delivered a warning to both Republicans and Democrats: Treat Scalise fairly, and don’t try to make political hay out of the situation. Or he said he would be inclined to release a list of names of all the politicians — both Republicans and Democrats — with whom he has ties.

“If Scalise is going to be crucified — if Republicans want to throw Steve Scalise to the woods, then a lot of them better be looking over their shoulders,” Duke said.
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http://fusion.net/story/36233/steve-scalise-david-duke-euro/
 
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FyreWulff

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“I’ve grown up. And I understand who the real racists are,” Duke said in a phone interview on Monday, saying a “zionist” and “tribalist” mentality throughout the press and media was mostly to blame for the negative portrayal of him.
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oh, david duke, you're always full of duke
 
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Aaron Strife

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FyreWulff said:
oh, david duke, you're always full of duke
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Duke is life, all hail Duke

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