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[teiresias]

I guess I don't get why they keep pushing Health Savings Accounts. It's a huge no-sell to the average voter. One medical event wipes out the entire thing.

You're telling the me that average republicans with a lower to middle-class salary are jumping at the chance to put more of their own money away in an account that will be destroyed when their kid breaks his leg?

They don't see it that way. To them it's another opportunity to hitch up them bootstraps instead of having "socialist" insurance. It's an illusion of self-sufficiency in health insurance matters.

 

[thepotatoman]

I wonder what a "continuous coverage guarantee" is exactly. The special wording makes me feel like it isn't your typical pre-existing conditions coverage. Google comes up with this use of the wording, an article set to be released tomorrow written by Tom Coburn, a republican from Oklahoma.

I suspect it's something that says only people that deserve pre-existing condition coverage will be able to be protected by it. So if you have a birth defect you get covered but if you get cancer later in life, it's not covered and you get choose between bankruptcy or death.

The media is covering it like the typical pre-existing condition stuff, but I think they're wrong. Jeb Bush isn't dumb enough to take away mandates without taking away pre-existing condition coverage as we know it without at least pretending you have something that would offset the rise in premiums that causes.

 

[Plinko]

I wonder what a "continuous coverage guarantee" is exactly. The special wording makes me feel like it isn't your typical pre-existing conditions coverage. Google comes up with this use of the wording, an article set to be released tomorrow written by Tom Coburn, a republican from Oklahoma.

I suspect it's something that says only people that deserve pre-existing condition coverage will be able to be protected by it. So if you have a birth defect you get covered but if you get cancer later in life, it's not covered and you get choose between bankruptcy or death.

The media is covering it like the typical pre-existing condition stuff, but I think they're wrong. Jeb Bush isn't dumb enough to take away mandates without taking away pre-existing condition coverage as we know it without at least pretending you have something that would offset the rise in premiums that causes.

People would riot if they took away pre-existing condition coverage at this point.

 

[thepotatoman]

People would riot if they took away pre-existing condition coverage at this point.

Would they riot if he only took away some pre-existing condition coverage? I think Jeb is betting that they won't.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

In the interest of furthering prospects for a GOP civil war, I really hope that word gets out on this..

Chris Wallace: Establishment groups are threatening to primary House conservatives who oppose Paul Ryan


Here's the key block quote:

This is delicious!

 

[PhoenixDark]

I guess I don't get why they keep pushing Health Savings Accounts. It's a huge no-sell to the average voter. One medical event wipes out the entire thing.

You're telling the me that average republicans with a lower to middle-class salary are jumping at the chance to put more of their own money away in an account that will be destroyed when their kid breaks his leg?

Yes. The appeal is that it's "their money" and they should be able to do whatever they want with it. You're right, it wouldn't be enough money to cover a broken nose but we're talking about delusional people who are fine with suffering as long as a group they dislike suffers more.

 

[User1608]

In the interest of furthering prospects for a GOP civil war, I really hope that word gets out on this..

Chris Wallace: Establishment groups are threatening to primary House conservatives who oppose Paul Ryan


Here's the key block quote:

I love seeing things build up for GOP: Civil War. It certainly excites me!

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Lol glen greenwald and bill kristol have the same complaint about Hillary's statement about Israel today.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Boehner bringing the senate immigration bill to the floor would be the greatest troll move of all time.

And it wouldnt pass the senate

 

[Plinko]

Yes. The appeal is that it's "their money" and they should be able to do whatever they want with it. You're right, it wouldn't be enough money to cover a broken nose but we're talking about delusional people who are fine with suffering as long as a group they dislike suffers more.

Remember when republicans blamed malpractice lawsuits for high medical prices and said tort reform would fix everything, and then the report came out showing tort reform would actually only decrease costs by miniscule amounts?

Good times.

 

[KingK]

Lol glen greenwald and bill kristol have the same complaint about Hillary's statement about Israel today.

Link? What did Hillary say?

 

[ivysaur12]

Holy shit, the podcast where Hillary says she's a robot constructed in Palo Alto in the 80s is delightfully bizarre.

 

[Makai]

I'm disappointed so far with GOP debates because Trumpmeister hasn't performed any fatality since "you're having a hard time tonight" line in the first.

"Jeb. Jeb. I like it, very high energy tonight."

 

[ivysaur12]

Also there's a union rally outside of a Trump hotel tonight -- Hillary is the surprise speaker

 

[thepotatoman]

Link? What did Hillary say?

Hillary: “I am alarmed by the recent wave of attacks against Israelis, including more than a dozen separate attacks since last Saturday. My thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families. Men and women living in Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, and elsewhere cannot carry groceries or travel to prayer without looking over their shoulder. It is wrong, and it must stop. There's no place for violence--only dialogue can produce a lasting peace.”

https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/653718993107353600

https://twitter.com/ZaidJilani/status/653711215374561280

The attack is exactly the same, though for polar opposite reasons.

 

[KingK]

Hillary: “I am alarmed by the recent wave of attacks against Israelis, including more than a dozen separate attacks since last Saturday. My thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families. Men and women living in Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, and elsewhere cannot carry groceries or travel to prayer without looking over their shoulder. It is wrong, and it must stop. There's no place for violence--only dialogue can produce a lasting peace.”

https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/653718993107353600

https://twitter.com/ZaidJilani/status/653711215374561280

The attack is exactly the same, though for polar opposite reasons.

I see lol. Thanks.

 

[Ecotic]

https://twitter.com/ZaidJilani/status/653711215374561280

The attack is exactly the same, though for polar opposite reasons.

That's so strange to see Zaid Jilani quoted in here. I'm personal friends with that guy in real life. Went to university with him.

 

[thepotatoman]

That's so strange to see Zaid Jilani quoted in here. I'm personal friends with that guy in real life. Went to university with him.

I see him retweeted a lot in my timeline, and I always notice thanks to the Kenshin avatar. He's a pretty cool dude.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

I see lol. Thanks.

I just thought it was funny because it was literally separated by like 4 tweets.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Also there's a union rally outside of a Trump hotel tonight -- Hillary is the surprise speaker

Not gonna lie, I really like this "pandering"

http://www.buzzfeed.com/evanmcsan/h...donald-trump-outside-trumps-casino#.wvXRR7JBz

Biden is a big threat to Hilary with Unions. He's rhetorically already staked that out.

Also, someone should ask Rubio about this since he literally was on the picketline for workers in Vega (I believe casino workers), but the media is inept.

Also trump is a dues paying union member, lol

 

[Oblivion]

I guess I don't get why they keep pushing Health Savings Accounts. It's a huge no-sell to the average voter. One medical event wipes out the entire thing.

You're telling the me that average republicans with a lower to middle-class salary are jumping at the chance to put more of their own money away in an account that will be destroyed when their kid breaks his leg?

I never understood the concept of this idea. If you're saving up your own money, to spend on yourself when you get sick, why do you even need to set up an HSA to begin with? Why not just pay like you would normally when you get sick? What's the incentive?

 

[RustyNails]

A Fatality is exactly what Ted Cruz needs. No more Friendships.

Well, I wouldn't be surprised if he did a Babality on Rubio.

 

[Makai]

I never understood the concept of this idea. If you're saving up your own money, to spend on yourself when you get sick, why do you even need to set up an HSA to begin with? Why not just pay like you would normally when you get sick? What's the incentive?

Taxfree stock investment.

 

[Retromelon]

Well, I wouldn't be surprised if he did a Babality on Rubio.

I won't say I didn't grin but god forbid a candidate looks young and speaks softly.
Feels wrong saying god forbid as I am a devout atheist but I couldn't summon to mind an alternative

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

I never understood the concept of this idea. If you're saving up your own money, to spend on yourself when you get sick, why do you even need to set up an HSA to begin with? Why not just pay like you would normally when you get sick? What's the incentive?

Tax-deferred.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Zombie Reagan nutted but NR still sucking:

This is batshit insanity condensed so very well.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Remember when republicans blamed malpractice lawsuits for high medical prices and said tort reform would fix everything, and then the report came out showing tort reform would actually only decrease costs by miniscule amounts?

Good times.

Yet they repeat it non stop. Same with buying plans across state lines. Obamacare has plenty of faults and I understand why middle class people don;t like it, but seeing republicans not even engage intellectually has been amazing. The conservative mind has essentially shut down on most policy ideas. That "reform republican" fad sure died quick.

If a republican wins in 2016 I'd imagine they'd basically break the law in some form or fashion, but not outright repeal it.

 

[RustyNails]

Zombie Reagan nutted but NR still sucking:



This is batshit insanity condensed so very well.

I was expecting a lot worse as I was reading it. I thought it would say "And then, Zombie Reagan told to Gorbachev "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall", and the Soviet Union was defeated"

So I guess US financing pre-Al Qaida to destroy Soviet Union isn't the worst neocon theory out there

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

I have never been able to look back at the U.S.'s Cold War tactics with anything other than confusion.

The big thing about Communism is that it fucking blows and is a terrible economic system. The U.S could have done literally nothing and they would have easily beat Communism. Communist nations can't even get toilet paper to their people. There was no reason to fear Communism... Ever. It was going to destroy itself, there was no point to any of the intervention.

 

[kingkitty]

I have never been able to look back at the U.S.'s Cold War tactics with anything other than confusion.

The big thing about Communism is that it fucking blows and is a terrible economic system. The U.S could have done literally nothing and they would have easily beat Communism. Communist nations can even get toilet paper to their people. There was no reason to fear Communism... Ever. It was going to destroy itself, there was no point to any of the intervention.

at the very least, I'm glad the US + UN didn't sit back during the Korean War.

 

[Plinko]

Yet they repeat it non stop. Same with buying plans across state lines. Obamacare has plenty of faults and I understand why middle class people don;t like it, but seeing republicans not even engage intellectually has been amazing. The conservative mind has essentially shut down on most policy ideas. That "reform republican" fad sure died quick.

If a republican wins in 2016 I'd imagine they'd basically break the law in some form or fashion, but not outright repeal it.

I'm pretty sure research says that buying plans across state lines may actually help things if implemented the right way.

 

[Retromelon]

There was no reason to fear Communism... Ever. It was going to destroy itself, there was no point to any of the intervention.

My gramma use to tell me stories about how when she was a little girl, everyone was quietly relieved when stalin died because people would disappear and food was scarce

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

My gramma use to tell me stories about how when she was a little girl, everyone was quietly relieved when stalin died because people would disappear and food was scarce

I meant from a U.S. security perspective.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Zombie Reagan nutted but NR still sucking:



This is batshit insanity condensed so very well.

Nice to see the National Review endorse arming Al Qaeda

 

[Makai]

I have never been able to look back at the U.S.'s Cold War tactics with anything other than confusion.

The big thing about Communism is that it fucking blows and is a terrible economic system. The U.S could have done literally nothing and they would have easily beat Communism. Communist nations can't even get toilet paper to their people. There was no reason to fear Communism... Ever. It was going to destroy itself, there was no point to any of the intervention.

East and Southeast Asia still truckin' along.

 

[Cheebo]

Nice to see the National Review endorse arming Al Qaeda

Well we did see them as good guys back then lol. Watching the '87 Bond film The Living Daylights is hilarious now in context. It portrays the future Al Qaeda as this super awesome heroic friend of James Bond who rescues him and his girl and helps him fight the films villain while in Afghanistan.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

I have never been able to look back at the U.S.'s Cold War tactics with anything other than confusion.

The big thing about Communism is that it fucking blows and is a terrible economic system. The U.S could have done literally nothing and they would have easily beat Communism. Communist nations can't even get toilet paper to their people. There was no reason to fear Communism... Ever. It was going to destroy itself, there was no point to any of the intervention.

Hint, nobody actually cared about ideology. LBJ was decrying government planning in Vietnam while advocating for medicare. They cared about access to capital markets and natural resources. It was a war between imperial powers not between ideologies. (Though I'd argue the US ideology caused it to win the war for subsidiaries)

 

[NYCmetsfan]

East and Southeast Asia still truckin' along.

They started trucking when they liberalized.

State planning doesn't work for most markets. Only a few like defense, health care, and Transportation.

 

[Retromelon]

I meant from a U.S. security perspective.

Well how about when krushchev slammed his shoe on the desk and shouted "we will bury you"

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Well we did see them as good guys back then lol. Watching the '87 Bond film The Living Daylights is hilarious now in context. It portrays the future Al Qaeda as this super awesome heroic friend of James Bond who rescues him and his girl and helps him fight the films villain while in Afghanistan.

If we armed the Syrian forces that weren't Assad or ISIS... We would arming Al-Qaeda again.

So NR is praising Reagan for arming Al-Qaeda and is recommending arming Al-Qaeda again.

 

[Makai]

They started trucking when they liberalized.

State planning doesn't work for most markets. Only a few like defense, health care, and Transportation.

All economies are mixed and they still easily qualify as communist. e.g. government reaction to stock crash.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Well how about when krushchev slammed his shoe on the desk and shouted "we will bury you"

I would have been worried if the Russian economy first had produced enough shoes for its people.

 

[Retromelon]

Bruh they hated us and had nukes. That's all the reason you need.

they still hate us and still have nukes.. Lol

 

[NYCmetsfan]

All economies are mixed and they still easily qualify as communist. e.g. government reaction to stock crash.

This is kind of my point. Nobody cared about actual economic systems. People care about expropriation of their capital or influence on client states. That was the soviet threat. Not a love of freedom

Bruh they hated us and had nukes. That's all the reason you need.

they still hate us and still have nukes.. Lol

#winning

 

[Rhomega Beta]

Hillary: “I am alarmed by the recent wave of attacks against Israelis, including more than a dozen separate attacks since last Saturday. My thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families. Men and women living in Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, and elsewhere cannot carry groceries or travel to prayer without looking over their shoulder. It is wrong, and it must stop. There's no place for violence--only dialogue can produce a lasting peace.”

https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/653718993107353600

https://twitter.com/ZaidJilani/status/653711215374561280

The attack is exactly the same, though for polar opposite reasons.

I wonder if "Palestinians" will become the new "radical Islamic terrorists".

 

[Wilsongt]

Jeb!.

http://news.yahoo.com/bush-offers-plan-repeal-replace-federal-health-care-230847039--politics.html

MIAMI (AP) — Republican presidential candidate Jeb Bush on Monday proposed repealing and replacing President Barack Obama's health care law with one that would increase tax credits for individuals, allowing them to buy coverage protection against "high-cost medical events."

But the two-page proposal, which would give more power to states to regulate health insurance, contained no specific details on how many people could be left without coverage. It does, however, guarantee coverage for people with pre-existing health conditions, which is part of Obama's 974-page federal health law. Bush was expected to release more details Tuesday, during a three-day swing through New Hampshire.

The Bush campaign says the former Florida governor's plan, in broad terms, would accomplish three goals: promote innovation, lower costs and return power to states.

In a statement, the Bush campaign slammed Obama's health care law, saying it "epitomizes why Americans are fed up with Washington."

"Jeb believes we must repeal Obamacare and offer a conservative vision and plan of health care for the future," said Allie Brandenburger, a Bush spokesperson.

Under Bush's plan, individuals could get higher tax credits for purchasing health insurance and would be allowed higher contribution limits on health savings accounts for out-of-pocket expenses. He also would overhaul the regulations imposed by the Food and Drug Administration to help spur innovation in the health care industry and would put limits on malpractice lawsuits. And he would put caps on federal payments to states and create a "transition plan" for 17 million people "entangled" in Obama's Affordable Care Act.

Bush also proposes to limit the tax-free status of employer-provided health insurance, an idea labor unions fiercely oppose.

Polls show Bush attracting single-digit support in New Hampshire, where he's trailing GOP rivals Donald Trump, Carly Fiorina and Ben Carson. Nationally, Bush is mired in the middle of the pack of Republican competitors.

Bush and his GOP presidential rivals are united in their calls for repealing the Affordable Care Act, but have been unable to find agreement on what should replace it.

Experts say any plan to repeal the federal mandates and reduce insurance subsidies under the current law would increase the number of uninsured.

The number of people without health insurance coverage declined to 33 million in 2014, down from 42 million in 2013, according to the latest Census figures.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Jeb!.

http://news.yahoo.com/bush-offers-plan-repeal-replace-federal-health-care-230847039--politics.html

The Cadillac tax is dying and he proposes this

Bush also proposes to limit the tax-free status of employer-provided health insurance, an idea labor unions fiercely oppose.

 

[Chichikov]

State planning doesn't work for most markets. Only a few like defense, health care, and Transportation.

It worked really well in places like Singapore, South Korea and China, in many markets, from shipbuilding, through electronics to real-estate.
That is not to say that central planning is always great, and it's quite easy to find many examples for terrible central planning (just as you can find examples where free markets worked terribly), but I don't think the often repeated idea that central planning is always bad for most market is supported by historical facts.

 

[Retromelon]

Jeb news? Finally

Thats him in the gif by the way, dont question it

 

[danm999]

And he would put caps on federal payments to states and create a "transition plan" for 17 million people "entangled" in Obama's Affordable Care Act.

My guess is they'll send you a pack of band aids and a copy of Atlas Shrugged.