That's politics.
They just haven't had enough time to hear his message.
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That's politics.
They just haven't had enough time to hear his message.
User 463088
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Bernie's above politics. (And logic, reason and sensibility, apparently...)
How are we part of the problem? If Bernie were actually electable nationally I would vote for him in the primary. He's not, though. I'm just being a realist about this because it's either that or we completely roll over for the GOP without even giving them a fight.
neurosisxeno
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Almost all of them? I don't think anyone thought it was a serious shot at Sanders. It's not like Hillary has to pander to Women anyway, she already leads among them like 3:1 over Sanders.
His candidate, Dennis Kucinich, had a solid strategy for staying out of such nasty politics during the 2008 election. He just had to stay below 5% in the polls and he was golden.
NYCmetsfan
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I mean this really just a continuation of the 90s onward decimation of the Democratic party in the south. It's dead.
I really dont know how we overcome our geography problem. How can we win back what we've lost? The US is set up to deny power unless you hold political seats over a wide swath of land that doesn't want to vote for polices that don't ammount to fuck you I got mine.
VA is the only state that is going blue.
I really dont know how we overcome our geography problem. How can we win back what we've lost? The US is set up to deny power unless you hold political seats over a wide swath of land that doesn't want to vote for polices that don't ammount to fuck you I got mine.
VA is the only state that is going blue.
neurosisxeno
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Maybe if we as a country stopped thinking like that we would actually have competent politicians with beliefs that aligned more with the general public. I think that's a really piss poor attitude to have, and is actually indicative of a real problem the Sanders campaign has--Democrats don't think he can win. Even if they support his platform and love his ideas, they know Hillary can beat any Republican so they won't consider anyone else.
Truth be told, I don't see anyone in the Republican field that could beat anyone (left) in the Democratic field.
Abinash117
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Stop being a baby.
Does anyone the demographics? Probably a lot of dem voters didn't show up.
There is just going to continue to be major disparities between policies in the north/west and the south. Arizona and Texas will continue to move blue as long as hispanics stay mostly democrat.
Dems are competitive if not dominant in the northeast, west, parts of the midwest and southwest... it's just the south that's a huge problem.
eBay Huckster
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oh hey, kentucky fucked it up exactly like i expected
Aaron Strife
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Yeah AP called it for Bevin. Boo.
Grimes and Beshear still winning though. Edelen looks like he's done, but not nearly as bad as Conway so maybe he can pull it out.
Grimes and Beshear still winning though. Edelen looks like he's done, but not nearly as bad as Conway so maybe he can pull it out.
Third Strike
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If it makes you feel better, many of these southern and Midwest states will continue to lose electoral points as the decades roll on. The states that will gain them will be the ones that are becoming more blue (VA, NC, GA, maybe one day SC). A lot of this isn't new to me. This is similar to how late 19th and early 20th century Republicans could not get a solid foothold in the South, and Democrats had a stronghold. The stagnant and declining states will forever be conservative, regardless of political party.
RastaMentality
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I'm so stressed out about this. The "No men in women's bathrooms" advertising must've worked. Feel terrible for Mayor Annise Parker.
Abinash117
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Comparing a state election to a nation electional is ludicrous.
neurosisxeno
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R's can win MA, IL, MD & ME but D's can't win anything extremely R. Sucks
I guess WV and MT will be the next to fall along with the KY senate. GOP will have trifecta after next year
I would say LA was pretty Republican and all signs point to a Democrat winning. I wouldn't be shocked if next Gubernatorial Election Kansas flips since Brownback is now viewed less favorable than that devil-worshiper Obama.
Well, PA is usually 'extremely R' when there isn't a Presidential election, we're strange like that. Wolf still defied the national mood.
Is there anything of value in Kansas? As in, job market? Nice communities?
Any state that votes that loser in twice is scary to me. What we're seeing tonight is a mix of voter ignorance and campaign incompetence on behalf of Dems... but Kansas is just downright scary.
The prospects of Virginia turning into a lean-blue state has to scare the hell out of the GOP. Just like 2014 - this would be a huge bright spot in tonight's proceedings.
NYCmetsfan
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God boomers are doing so much damage on there way out.
RastaMentality
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Jesus.
Hillary has to win next year or this country will be a sea of red with nothing to stop the R's with the SC at their grasp.
34 possible Governorships counting MT and WV with a trifecta federal government.
example?
34 possible Governorships counting MT and WV with a trifecta federal government.
example?
theprodigy
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The problem isn't necessarily that red states are finally removing Democrats (well at least not on its own), the problem is that there's nothing similar going on in blue states in the other direction.
Aaron Strife
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Yeeeeeeeeess. Please hold.
Yup. SCOTUS is incredible insurance for guarding against the worst tendencies of the opposing party.
Actually, Ted Strickland was on MSNBC earlier tonight and this topic came up. Chris Hayes asked him basically, "Why do you want to be in the Senate? It's not like you'd be able to get much done legislatively, given that the GOP will likely retain the House."
Strickland's answer: "We MUST keep the White House and the Senate for the Supreme Court."
Yes, I squealed with delight. The man gets it.
I think this is what's being referred to:
Red State elects only statewide Republicans. No Democrats anywhere.
Blue State elects a mix. They send a Republican to the Senate. The GOP controls a house or two in the state legislature.
The level of dominance by Democrats in Blue States simply isn't as intense as the dominanace seen by the GOP in Red States. The Dems might want to begin trying to tie all Republicans to the national party's reputation. They need to make it known that you're enabling the James Inhofes and the Ted Cruzes of the Senate by voting for their allegedly "moderate" Republican candidates.
BertramCooper
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Sounds like the perfect time to roll the dice on Bernie Sanders.
R's can win MA, IL, MD & ME but D's can't win anything extremely R. Sucks
I guess WV and MT will be the next to fall along with the KY senate. GOP will have trifecta after next year
If Democrats want to win in the south, they should do what Republicans do in Massachusetts: run a Democrat but put an (R) next to his/her name (but the opposite). I mean, this is what radical righty Charlie Baker did today:
NYCmetsfan
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I just never want to leave the north east or west coast. Nothing good comes from anywhere else.
Officerrob
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Never get your hopes up in non-presidential year elections
User 463088
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My county's taking Ohio's SoS directive as holding off all results. I don't know the results of the local races until after 9:00. I'll have to hold off my "Oh dear god why" drinking for a little bit more.
Aaron Strife
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Grimes won! Areba!
neurosisxeno
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So how many until the Republicans can re-write the Constitution?
The official results haven't been posted yet. Unless they have a source, they're probably just assuming it would put it over.
NYCmetsfan
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The future of the Democratic party has to come from mayors. We neglect them far to much.btw philly elected a cool dude today.
We said this in 2010, too. 2014 didn't turn out so good except for Wolf.
WayneMorse
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That is some wishful thinking alright.
Scott Walker destroyed his state, stagnated the Wisconsin economy and ran a massive deficit to the point where they couldn't even pay back existing debt and he still won.
Meaning that it's probably easier for a Dem to run against a Republican incumbent instead of a Dem incumbent being able to defend is seat.
Abinash117
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People are loyalists a lot of time they only way kick people out if either a campaign obliterate the opponent and really convince some people or demographics change.
Dems need to work much better on the local and state level .
Manmademan
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fixed that for you
Macho Madness
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Indianapolis elected a Dem too.
So are millions of people in Kentucky going to lose health insurance straight up now?
Why are people allowed to play politics with people's lives in this way?
I really don't understand how this argument works on people. THAT'S NOT HOW GENDER IDENTITY WORKS! That and bathroom assaults are already illegal I'd assume.
Why are people allowed to play politics with people's lives in this way?
I really don't understand how this argument works on people. THAT'S NOT HOW GENDER IDENTITY WORKS! That and bathroom assaults are already illegal I'd assume.
So sad... I really feel for the residents who will be impacted negatively, I really do.
This is why I like Charlie enough. He's alright with me, though I wish he'd actually do more for trans rights too.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/10/31/baker-needs-lead-transgender-rights/qEb8H6cmD6N0PokJ3EKGxO/story.html
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