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PoliGAF 2015 |OT2| Pls print
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Aaron Strife
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Yeah that's why I don't buy "Oh Trump is just the same as every other GOP flavor of the month." Romney was always in a strong position (as in, at least second). Bush, Walker, Rubio are all in single digits. The crazy train has completely run over the establishment.
Ben Carson is so dumb I'd rather have Trump for president. Dude is the perfect example of absent-minded genius. Being very nice about that.
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Aaron, agreed! I don't know how well Trump will hold up months from now, but he's definitely much stronger than the joke candidates from the past.
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Aaron, agreed! I don't know how well Trump will hold up months from now, but he's definitely much stronger than the joke candidates from the past.
Jindal: Trump is a madman who must be stopped
Trump response to this should be good.
Well hold on a minute there, Bob.
Damnnnnnnn
Trump response to this should be good.
Well hold on a minute there, Bob.
Damnnnnnnn
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Cruz was just listed in my worst-case scenario--not a likelihood.
PhoenixDark
Banned
I wouldn't write Cruz off, especially with a potential govt shutdown coming up. He has the grassroots money to survive, and will benefit when Carson/Trump fall out the race.
Walker doesn't look good right now but like Cruz he still has actual campaign money, not just PAC funds. He can last. I also expect him to benefit from others dropping out.
Walker doesn't look good right now but like Cruz he still has actual campaign money, not just PAC funds. He can last. I also expect him to benefit from others dropping out.
yeah your guy does not look good right now. My guy either.
My suspicion is that we're going to see the big shutdown fight, and Cruz and Trump - the two candidates who have built their personae around bashing GOP leadership - are going to leverage this fight for all it's worth. If we get funding for government to continue functioning - including funding for Planned Parenthood - the base is going to howl with rage.
Then, there's the added fight that's going-on in the background to unseat Boehner. If he has to rely on Democratic votes in order to retain his Speakership, that'll produce extra heat among the GOP base.. it'll be more evidence that party leadership is in cahoots with Pelosi et al.
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And I'm still leery of Kasich or Rubio getting the nomination. Kasich virtually guarantees Ohio, and Rubio gives Florida a not-small nudge. One on the ticket is okay, but both on a ticket? Sweating time. I think either one would be smart enough to pick the other as his running mate. Securing those two states for the GOP boil the race down to 4-to-6 swing states.. a much more doable task.
Then, there's the added fight that's going-on in the background to unseat Boehner. If he has to rely on Democratic votes in order to retain his Speakership, that'll produce extra heat among the GOP base.. it'll be more evidence that party leadership is in cahoots with Pelosi et al.
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And I'm still leery of Kasich or Rubio getting the nomination. Kasich virtually guarantees Ohio, and Rubio gives Florida a not-small nudge. One on the ticket is okay, but both on a ticket? Sweating time. I think either one would be smart enough to pick the other as his running mate. Securing those two states for the GOP boil the race down to 4-to-6 swing states.. a much more doable task.
What if Trump is the frontrunner, and every other candidate is just the flavor of the month, including Jeb?
Black Mamba
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I don't know if anyone has argued that Cruz has no shot at the nomination.
But he's DOA in the general.
FloydtheFathead
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I guess It depends on how much he wants to remain speaker. I mean if he works with the dems.. Wouldn't the fringe in the party want him out as speaker? Would the Dems be fine with whatever replacement they throw up there?
This is yet another case where either outcome works. They either end-up enraging their base further into disillusionment & Trumpiness - or they satisfy the base (temporarily) and shut-down the government, harming themselves with voters in the middle.
Washington Post asked some "experts" recently. They seem to think that the odds of a shutdown are pretty good.
I agree with the Street Fighter reference title for the debate thread.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/16/us/politics/cnn-hopes-to-capture-candidates-combative-spirit-in-gop-debate.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/16/us/politics/cnn-hopes-to-capture-candidates-combative-spirit-in-gop-debate.html
NobleXenon
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If the whole government shutdown thing happens again, is the option for Obama to save the day via trillion dollar coins still viable?
Tarkus
Member
2016 Republican Debate 2 |OT| - Attack me if you dare, I will crush you
PhoenixDark
Banned
Oh.
(President of the NYPD union)
Nothing would please me more than busting up that union.
andthebeatgoeson
Junior Member
Just give him time. Neurosurgeons are notorious for their 'quirks'. Not the people I would pick to represent anybody's interest. If he makes the general, he'll make us beg for Palin. The amount of dahell's posted will break the internet. His theories on taxes were extreme and nonsensical but overshadowed by the Don.
PhoenixDark
Banned
One of the worst CEOs ever, running as a businesswoman. Laughable.
Jack Remington
Banned
You guys see that GE is cutting some jobs and moving some proposed hiring offshore because of the Ex-Im expiration?
That whole thing made little sense to me. It costs virtually nothing, and everyone who is actually familiar with what it does was calling for its renewal, but it seemed to become the rallying cry for a bunch of right wing "principles".
Crony capitalism! Picking winners and losers! Get the government out of business! Etc. Truly bizarre.
That whole thing made little sense to me. It costs virtually nothing, and everyone who is actually familiar with what it does was calling for its renewal, but it seemed to become the rallying cry for a bunch of right wing "principles".
Crony capitalism! Picking winners and losers! Get the government out of business! Etc. Truly bizarre.
Manmademan
Member
One of the reasons I want her in the big kids debate is to see her get bodied by Trump the SECOND she tries to float her business experience as some kind of qualification
Oh.
(President of the NYPD union)
To Patrick J. Lynch:
You work for us.
Do your damn job by the rules.
Sincerely,
Go fuck yourself.
On MSNBC right now: Bill Kristol apparently says he'll vote 3rd party if Trump gets the nomination.
Hysterical to see this actually happening. The GOP establishment isn't going to accept Trump. Or, I'll rephrase: enough of the establishment will refuse to accept him to the point where enough % are peeled away.
At this point, I also wonder if there are a significant number of Trumpeteers who will refuse to accept any non-Trump nominee.
Hysterical to see this actually happening. The GOP establishment isn't going to accept Trump. Or, I'll rephrase: enough of the establishment will refuse to accept him to the point where enough % are peeled away.
At this point, I also wonder if there are a significant number of Trumpeteers who will refuse to accept any non-Trump nominee.
andthebeatgoeson
Junior Member
Yeah, funny joke. The NYPD doesn't read.Oh.
(President of the NYPD union)
Probably no more than there are Standers who won't accept anyone else but Bernie.
I just wanted to say Standers
PhoenixDark
Banned
Not only that, he suggest a Dick Cheney/Tom Cotton independent ticket lmao.
Retromelon
Member
The hill dawgs are the real menace, i tell you hwhat
Black Mamba
Member
The shutdown is independent the debt ceiling. That will come up some time in October, though.
No way the gop pushes that one this year.
I think...
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/scott-walker-republican-debate-213664
If you picked Walker you might be rooting for him tomorrow.
If you picked Walker you might be rooting for him tomorrow.
RustyNails
Member
This hyping by CNN about the debate is pathetic. Anderson Cooper, you're reduced to this?
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
What? This can't be real.
NeoXChaos said:
As I said earlier, he's going off tomorrow night. Going to be hilarious to watch.
This has been really fun to watch.
And I didn't realize that Trump was giving a battleship speech. I really hope someone will photoshop his head onto Cher's body at some point soon.
(see? I'm helping with the whole "PoliGAF=PopGAF" thing. If it were PopGAF 1989.)
RustyNails
Member
Trump about to lay out foreign policy infront of a big fucking warship. Anyone else watching? this is gonna be huge, etc
lol, what personal story? dropping out of college to become a career politician? that'll go over real well. this idiot really turned out to be a dud and i can't believe i thought he had a decent chance of winning the nomination.
RustyNails
Member
This has been really fun to watch.
And I didn't realize that Trump was giving a battleship speech. I really hope someone will photoshop his head onto Cher's body at some point soon.
(see? I'm helping with the whole "PoliGAF=PopGAF" thing. If it were PopGAF 1989.)
I fear he's gonna say we're gonna nuke ISIS.
But that's never what we imagine. Modern elections are turnout battles, ground games, etc...not kvetching over the "independents" that CNN profiles on their website. Healthcare.gov being a complete failure was demoralizing and demotivating; it pushed people on the fringe over the edge into staying home. 2014 didn't have to be THAT bad, especially when Republicans were absolutely sucking wind after the shutdown.
Obama makes it hard for uninformed voters to be proud of him. He has throughout his entire term.
That is one reason why the Democrat Party is in terrible shape.
I remember people made the argument that Walker was always a paper tiger, and that his electoral wins, when view in context, wasn't all that impressive. When Scott Walker gets into the primary campaign he'll get exposed real quick. I guess those people were right.
PlayALLtheGames
Banned
Yes, tuned in. Going to be great.
Tarkus
Member
What channel is covering it?
RustyNails
Member
Communist News Network
redmetal86
Member
Heh, Ned Flanders.
Tarkus
Member
Thanks! I'm tuning in to Crash (planes) News Network.
exactly. anyone who thinks the utter disaster that was the ACA rollout didn't affect the election is smoking something serious. i mean, i love the ACA, my fiancee will be getting on a platinum plan when enrollment comes around, and i worked for the obama campaign in both 2008 and 12, and you are exactly right. it was demoralizing and worst of all, a totally unforced error that resulted in weeks, if not months, of negative coverage. it was to be honest, depressing. and yes, it completely shifted the spotlight off the government shutdown and the damage to the GOP and onto a government program that comically flopped therefore reinforcing the GOP argument in the first place: that government is too big, unwiedly, and cant be relied upon.
i still get pissed thinking about it especially because of how successful the ACA has functioned since then. it was an anchor on the entire democratic field, and frankly they deserved it.
JHoNNy1OoO
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Trump speaking on a ship. Tune in for more hilariousness.
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