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benjipwns

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I wouldn't be surprised if most of NeoGAF.com knows Ralph Nader more for his role in stealing the 2000 election or subsequent Presidential runs than the original grifting racket he got famous off of.
 

benjipwns

Banned
Can't forget him lending his "credibility" to the anti-nuclear power and anti-fluoride conspiracy theorists.

The 1970s!

In 2013, Nader was active on an array of issues, including postponing the retirement of New York Yankees pitcher Mariano Rivera, opening a tort law museum in Connecticut, and protesting the all-you-can-eat food deals at certain baseball stadiums. In August 2013, he urged Stephen Harper not to allow Verizon to enter Canada's telecom market and complained to Washington, D.C. city officials about poorly positioned “No Left Turn” signs.
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I see my hyperbole got a little too carried away, lol.

Okay, so neogaf knows who Nader is. Still, (and I say this without hyperbole), I wouldn't be surprised if some of the younger generation of members here know relatively little of him. I just find his recognition problems in general absolutely amazing, considering how many times he's run for president.
 

benjipwns

Banned
Jeff Boss is running for the Democratic nomination. He ran for President in 2008 and 2012. He also ran twice for Senate and Governor in New Jersey.

Jack Fellure is running for the Republican nomination, he's ran for it in every election since 1988 except 2012 when he became the Prohibition Party's nominee.

Andy Martin has run for President four times now, once as a Democrat, three times in the Republican primary.

He's also ran for:
U.S. Senator from Illinois, 1978 (Democratic primary)
U.S. Senator from Illinois, 1980 (Democratic primary)
U.S. House from Connecticut, 1986 (Republican primary)
President of the United States, 1988 (Democratic primary)
Governor of Florida, 1990 (Republican primary) 4th of five candidates 28,591 votes (4.30%)
U.S. House from Florida, 1992 (Republican primary)
Florida State Senate, 1996 (unsuccessful Republican nominee)
U.S. Senator from Florida, 1998 (Republican primary) 2nd of two candidates 184,739 votes (33.60%)
President of the United States, 2000 (Republican primary)
U.S. Senator from Florida, 2000 (unsuccessful independent candidate) finished 7th of seven candidates with 15,889 votes (0.27%)
U.S. Senator from Illinois, 2004 (Republican primary, removed from ballot according to Illinois State Board of Elections)
U.S. Senator from Florida, 2004 (Republican primary)
Governor of Illinois, 2006 (Republican primary) 5th of five candidates 6,095 votes (0.83%)
U.S. Senator from Illinois, 2008 (Republican primary) 2nd of three candidates 240,548 (33.85%)
U.S. Senator from Illinois, 2010 (Republican primary) 5th of six candidates 37,359 votes (5.0%)
President of the United States, 2012 (Republican primary)
U.S. Senator from New Hampshire, 2014 (Republican primary) 7th of 10 candidates 734 votes (0.67%)
President of the United States, 2016 (Republican primary)

His 1996 run for the Florida State Senate came unraveled when it was revealed that he had named his campaign committee for his 1986 congressional run "The Anthony R. Martin-Trigona Congressional Campaign to Exterminate Jew Power in America." The revelation led the state Republican Party to renounce him. Just before the election, he assaulted two cameramen from WPTV, the NBC affiliate in West Palm Beach. He was convicted of criminal mischief and sentenced to a year in jail. He was freed pending appeal, but made personal attacks on the judge while on the way out of the courtroom. The judge held Martin in criminal contempt of court and sentenced him to seven months in jail. However, he was let out of jail after only a month due to a "paperwork glitch". Martin never returned, and a warrant was issued for his arrest. If he is ever arrested, he will have to serve 16 months in jail

John McAfee is running for President and nobody is covering it. Despite being a former international fugitive and all around amazing:
https://mcafee16.com/
http://www.whoismcafee.com/

Nobody cares and media won't expend in-kind contributions if you aren't a serious candidate. And you aren't a serious candidate if nobody cares and the media doesn't cover you.
 
Jeff Boss is running for the Democratic nomination. He ran for President in 2008 and 2012. He also ran twice for Senate and Governor in New Jersey.

Jack Fellure is running for the Republican nomination, he's ran for it in every election since 1988 except 2012 when he became the Prohibition Party's nominee.

Andy Martin has run for President four times now, once as a Democrat, three times in the Republican primary.

He's also ran for:




John McAfee is running for President and nobody is covering it. Despite being a former international fugitive and all around amazing:
https://mcafee16.com/
http://www.whoismcafee.com/

Nobody cares and media won't expend in-kind contributions if you aren't a serious candidate. And you aren't a serious candidate if nobody cares and the media doesn't cover you.

Very well. Though I specifically picked Nader because he's had plenty of coverage, and I know several people who casually follow politics and don't know much about him.

Your point still stands, but I just find it a ironic and hilarious, even if there's a logical reason why his familiarity with voters is relatively low.
 

benjipwns

Banned
If his slogan isn't "Who's the Boss?", then I'll be disappointed.
You'll have to settle for the fact that he says that he personally saw the U.S. government planning 9/11.

And that his website is amazing: http://www.jeffbossforpresident.org/
JEFF BOSS WITNESSED THE TOP HIGHEST CLEARANCE IN THE NSA GIVING PHONE CARDS TO THE 911 HIJACKERS IN MARCH OF 2001, AND TALKING ABOUT FLYING 12 PLANES INTO BUILDINGS ON THE SAME DAY. JEFF HAS OVER 500 PEOPLE ON DVD ADMITTING THE NSA GAVE THEM $20,000 TO KEEP QUIET AFTER THEY RECEIVED JEFF’S CAMPAIGN LITERATURE ABOUT THE NSA ARRANGING THE 911 ATTACKS. JEFF HAS OVER 40 AFFIDAVITS FROM PEOPLE SAYING THEY WERE GIVEN $20,000 FROM THE NSA TO KEEP QUIET AND WERE THREATENED WITH HARM IF THEY TOLD ANYONE, THAT THE NSA DID THE 911 ATTACKS. JEFF HAS A LIST OF OVER 50,000 PEOPLE WHO GOT THE $20,000 FROM THE NSA.
DID THE NSA KILL JFK,RFK,MLK,BECAUSE THEY ARE TRYING TO KILL JEFF BOSS
i have had numerous assassination attempts by the NSA. Including 8 yellow paskages stuck to my gas tank over the last ten years. This week, November 15, 2014 I have had 3 attempts on my life. The NSA doesn't want my story told.I have the proof that they arranged the 911 attacks.

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He won't run. After his interview with Colbert I'm convinced he's just not interested in politics anymore, at least not within the current political climate.
 
Jake Tapper ‏@jaketapper 13m13 minutes ago
Wow. Some big changes in the race in our post-debate poll. Tune in to @CNNSotu at 9 am ET - plus we'll talk to Trump, Christie & Kasich
 
He won't run. After his interview with Colbert I'm convinced he's just not interested in politics anymore, at least not within the current political climate.


I'm convinced the rumors will never end until he flat-out says that he's not running. It's the only way at this point.

Besides, you gotta have something to talk about on the Democratic side besides Hillary's e-mails.
 

Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Jake Tapper ‏@jaketapper 13m13 minutes ago
Wow. Some big changes in the race in our post-debate poll. Tune in to @CNNSotu at 9 am ET - plus we'll talk to Trump, Christie & Kasich

I bet Fiorina leads now. I predicted a 10-point jump.
 

benjipwns

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Christie up for being the only sane one for two minutes during the peak of the Trump/Jeb!/Carly squabbling. Paul, Trump and Carson all down for taking shots at W. Also the high five failure.

Lindsey Graham up three to five points due to the "JV debate" bump. Carly got one don't forget.

Halperin already called it:
Mark Halperin ‏@MarkHalperin 13h13 hours ago
Whatever the @CNN GOP post-debate national poll numbers show at 9am ET Sunday, THE WORLD WILL NEVER BE THE SAME AGAIN. @jaketapper
 

Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I really think Firoina's campaign made a huge mistake with her using that Planned Parenthood thing way too early in the cycle.

What she said at the debate was clearly scripted and red meat for the voter base. The problem, though, is that it is way too early to use that ace up her sleeve. Should have saved it for third or fourth debate, as she still would have been around.

Now, she'll flash in the pan and flame out after a month or two.
 

benjipwns

Banned
Democrats: Sanders unelectable
The surging popularity of Sen. Bernie Sanders has done little to alleviate the chief concern that Democrats have about his presidential bid: Namely, that he's simply unelectable on a national stage.

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"No matter how well you think of Bernie — and all of us do — … when the politics of it all hits the road, I don't feel — and I feel most members don't feel — that he can be elected," said Rep. Alcee Hastings (D-Fla.).

The doubts have nothing to do with policy.

Indeed, Sanders' career-long advocacy for economic and social justice — a vision of wider safety nets, higher wages, universal healthcare and corporate policing — overlaps almost directly with the policy priorities of Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and her liberal-leaning Democratic Caucus on Capitol Hill.

It's a convergence the Democrats have been quick to hail.

"I'm proud of what Bernie is saying out there, and it's a reflection of what we fight for here," Pelosi said last week.

And yet there remains a lingering sense among many Democrats that a Sanders' nomination would spell doom for the party in 2016 — a sentiment highlighted by the fact that not a single Democrat in either chamber has endorsed the No. 2 primary contender.

"Bernie Sanders is raising some issues that are important," Rep. Steny Hoyer (Md.), the Democratic whip and a Clinton supporter, told reporters last week. "But I don't think there's an expectation that's he's going to be president of the United States."

The dynamics surrounding Sanders' campaign present Democrats with an uncomfortable question: If the candidate trumpeting the party's agenda most loudly and clearly is unelectable, what does it say about the agenda, itself?

Hastings, another Clinton backer, said the answer lies in political expediency. He said he supports Sanders' economic agenda to a tee. But he also remembers too well the losing presidential campaigns of liberals George McGovern and Eugene McCarthy — both of whom he supported in the Civil Rights era — as well as the saga surrounding Ralph Nader, the consumer-rights advocate turned third-party candidate he blames for securing George W. Bush's victory in 2000.

"Some argue, and I do, that Ralph Nader cost us that election … and I don't have time for that. And I think that's what members are saying: That I don't have time for fringes, at this point. And that's where Bernie is, and it's regrettable," Hastings said.

"Mine and Bernie's philosophies regarding the disparity of economic well-being of America's citizens [are] in direct alignment with each other. I agree with him — [but] I support Hillary Clinton."

Rep. Bill Pascrell (D-N.J.) suggested Sanders' fierce advocacy has left little room for compromise, even with other Democrats.

"I tend to remind my progressive friends … that we've got to work together in order to accomplish something. And you don't do that by isolating the other side in your own party," said Pascrell, who's endorsed Clinton. "In other words, it's my way or the highway. Sometimes I have that feeling about what Bernie is all about."

Rep. Lloyd Doggett (D-Texas), who has not endorsed a primary candidate, said Sanders is doing "a great job" bringing the Democrats' policy agenda into the public eye. But he's concerned how the "socialist" label attached to the senator will play in a national election.

"The fact that he's been on that ticket raises some questions in other parts of the country: 'Can anyone who has ever had that label as an official candidate, as distinguished from an Independent, [win]?'" Doggett asked. "That's a question that many of us have had."

The doubts surrounding Sanders' electability are hardly universal. A growing number of lawmakers are pushing back as Sanders gains prominence in the race.

Rep. Alan Grayson (D-Fla.), a 2016 Senate candidate who has not endorsed a primary contender, characterized Sanders as one of Congress's most effective legislators, saying all claims that he's unelectable are "politically motivated attacks" designed to undermine his bid.

"Bernie has the appeal of being able to demonstrate to people that he can get good things done. He is not some kind of liberal stick figure; he's someone who has a record of actual accomplishment," Grayson said. "If Bernie's the nominee, then Bernie very likely will be the next president of the United States."

Rep. Raúl Grijalva (D-Ariz.) echoed that message, warning that Democrats, by doubting Sanders' viability as a candidate, risk undermining the party's agenda.


"The expectation that he will fade, I think, is not true because the agenda he's putting forward, instead of tamping down momentum, it's increasing momentum. … He's ignited the base in a way that we haven't been able to do for six years," said Grijalva, the head of the Progressive Caucus who has not yet endorsed in the primary. "So I would be very careful to marginalize the man. Because in a sense then you're marginalizing the message."

Asked why Sanders hasn't won any Democratic endorsements, Grijalva predicted that would soon change.

"It'll come," he said.
 

benjipwns

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Tarkus

Member
Jake Tapper ‏@jaketapper 13m13 minutes ago
Wow. Some big changes in the race in our post-debate poll. Tune in to @CNNSotu at 9 am ET - plus we'll talk to Trump, Christie & Kasich
Tapper is grabbing headlines. I bet Trump stays the same, Fiorina gets a couple points, and Carson drops to Fiorina's level. Jeb! continues his decline. Lindsey might gain a couple of percentage points.
 

Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
CNN poll:

Trump--24
Firoina--15
Carson--14

So Trump still has nearly a 10-point lead? LOL

WALKER HAS LESS THAN .5%--didn't even register!

PD, let us know you're ok!
 

benjipwns

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http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2015/images/09/20/rel10a.pdf

About 44% of likely GOP voters say they see Trump as the candidate who could best handle the economy -- well ahead of his nearest competitors: Fiorina at 11%, Rubio at 10% and Bush at 8%.

Trump also wins on immigration, with 47% saying he could best address the issue, ahead of second-place Rubio's 15% and Bush's 9%.

He even edges Rubio, 22% to 17%, on who could best handle foreign policy.
 

benjipwns

Banned
Second Choice:
Carson - 19%
Rubio - 13%
Fiorina/Jeb! - 11%
Trump/Huckabee - 8%
Christie - 6%
Cruz - 5%
Paul - 3%
Walker - 2%
Kasich/Santorum/Graham/Pataki - 1%
Gilmore/Jindal - < .5%

Regardless of who you support, which candidate do you think did the best job in Wednesday night’s
debates? (RANDOM ORDER)
Fiorina 52%
Rubio 14%
Trump 11%
Christie 6%
Carson 3%
Cruz 3%
Graham 2%
Bush 2%
Kasich 2%
Paul 2%
Huckabee 1%
Jindal *
Pataki *
Santorum *
Walker *

10. And which of those candidates do you think did the worst job in the debates? (RANDOM ORDER)
Trump 31%
Paul 22%
Bush 9%
Huckabee 7%
Walker 6%
Carson 4%
Christie 3%
Fiorina 2%
Graham 2%
Pataki 2%
Jindal 1%
Kasich 1%
Cruz *
Rubio *
Santorum *
 

Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Walker drops out in the next week or two. It's over--all his money is going to be gone.

Paul 4
Christie 3
Kasich 2

LOL--the only guys who spoke somewhat reasonably at the debate combine for 9 percent.
 

Tarkus

Member
Rubio would do a smashing job as a VP. He's very charismatic when he's not consumed with nerves and reaching for a water bottle or scratching like crazy.
 

Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Carson's high numbers as second choice are disturbing to me as well. As I've said many times--the guy could easily win the nomination and election. He was awful last debate and still has high numbers.
 
Carson's support still boiling down I guess to his background and his demeanor?

Also Jesus.. PD, do you wanna take a mulligan with that wager about Walker?
 

benjipwns

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Walker polling at less than Jindal and Graham has got to be downright chilling to his campaign.
Carson's support still boiling down I guess to his background and his demeanor?

Also Jesus.. PD, do you wanna take a mulligan with that wager about Walker?
Bet he's feeling pretty intimidated now.
"If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."
 
Trump is bulletproof at this point. The establishment is probably officially getting nervous.

It appears they would be with that audience last night. Totally were hand picked


May steal some Trump support.. (Depressing we say that about a presidential nominee)

"If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."

Is that what the unions say in Wisconsin?
 

Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I wonder what the Trump campaign is going to do in response to Fiorina's rise.

She sold parts to Iran during sanctions. That's their next play.

Mr. Todd asked if Mr. Carson believes Islam is “consistent with the Constitution.”

“No, I do not,” Mr. Carson answered. He then added: “I would not advocate that we put a Muslim in charge of this nation. I absolutely would not agree with that.”
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/0...-be-president/

lol

As someone in the comment section stated:

That is exactly what used to be said about Catholics.
 

benjipwns

Banned
Also in the poll:

Democrats:
51% - extremely/very enthusiastic about 2016 election
23% - not too/not at all enthusiastic about 2016 election

Republicans:
65% - extremely/very enthusiastic about 2016 election
11% - not too/not at all enthusiastic about 2016 election
 
WSJ said:
Mr. Todd asked if Mr. Carson believes Islam is “consistent with the Constitution.”

“No, I do not,” Mr. Carson answered. He then added: “I would not advocate that we put a Muslim in charge of this nation. I absolutely would not agree with that.”

Wow. I think that's the first legitimately stupid thing I've heard him say. I'm convinced he'll implode if he talks too much.
 

Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Wow. I think that's the first legitimately stupid thing I've heard him say. I'm convinced he'll implode if he talks too much.

You haven't been listening long enough.
 

Tarkus

Member
Yesterday, Trump published a second policy stance, this time on the 2nd amendment and gun control.

Donald J. Trump said:
The Second Amendment to our Constitution is clear. The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed upon. Period.

The Second Amendment guarantees a fundamental right that belongs to all law-abiding Americans. The Constitution doesn’t create that right – it ensures that the government can’t take it away. Our Founding Fathers knew, and our Supreme Court has upheld, that the Second Amendment’s purpose is to guarantee our right to defend ourselves and our families. This is about self-defense, plain and simple.

It’s been said that the Second Amendment is America’s first freedom. That’s because the Right to Keep and Bear Arms protects all our other rights. We are the only country in the world that has a Second Amendment. Protecting that freedom is imperative. Here’s how we will do that:

Enforce The Laws On The Books

We need to get serious about prosecuting violent criminals. The Obama administration’s record on that is abysmal. Violent crime in cities like Baltimore, Chicago and many others is out of control. Drug dealers and gang members are given a slap on the wrist and turned loose on the street. This needs to stop.

Several years ago there was a tremendous program in Richmond, Virginia called Project Exile. It said that if a violent felon uses a gun to commit a crime, you will be prosecuted in federal court and go to prison for five years – no parole or early release. Obama’s former Attorney General, Eric Holder, called that a “cookie cutter” program. That’s ridiculous. I call that program a success. Murders committed with guns in Richmond decreased by over 60% when Project Exile was in place – in the first two years of the program alone, 350 armed felons were taken off the street.

Why does that matter to law-abiding gun owners? Because they’re the ones who anti-gun politicians and the media blame when criminals misuse guns. We need to bring back and expand programs like Project Exile and get gang members and drug dealers off the street. When we do, crime will go down and our cities and communities will be safer places to live.

Here’s another important way to fight crime – empower law-abiding gun owners to defend themselves. Law enforcement is great, they do a tremendous job, but they can’t be everywhere all of the time. Our personal protection is ultimately up to us. That’s why I’m a gun owner, that’s why I have a concealed carry permit, and that’s why tens of millions of Americans have concealed carry permits as well. It’s just common sense. To make America great again, we’re going to go after criminals and put the law back on the side of the law-abiding.

Fix Our Broken Mental Health System

Let’s be clear about this. Our mental health system is broken. It needs to be fixed. Too many politicians have ignored this problem for too long.

All of the tragic mass murders that occurred in the past several years have something in common – there were red flags that were ignored. We can’t allow that to continue. We need to expand treatment programs, because most people with mental health problems aren’t violent, they just need help. But for those who are violent, a danger to themselves or others, we need to get them off the street before they can terrorize our communities. This is just common sense.

And why does this matter to law-abiding gun owners? Once again, because they get blamed by anti-gun politicians, gun control groups and the media for the acts of deranged madmen. When one of these tragedies occurs, we can count on two things: one, that opponents of gun rights will immediately exploit it to push their political agenda; and two, that none of their so-called “solutions” would have prevented the tragedy in the first place. They’ve even admitted it.

We need real solutions to address real problems. Not grandstanding or political agendas.

Defend The Rights of Law-Abiding Gun Owners

GUN AND MAGAZINE BANS. Gun and magazine bans are a total failure. That’s been proven every time it’s been tried. Opponents of gun rights try to come up with scary sounding phrases like “assault weapons”, “military-style weapons” and “high capacity magazines” to confuse people. What they’re really talking about are popular semi-automatic rifles and standard magazines that are owned by tens of millions of Americans. Law-abiding people should be allowed to own the firearm of their choice. The government has no business dictating what types of firearms good, honest people are allowed to own.

BACKGROUND CHECKS. There has been a national background check system in place since 1998. Every time a person buys a gun from a federally licensed gun dealer – which is the overwhelming majority of all gun purchases – they go through a federal background check. Study after study has shown that very few criminals are stupid enough to try and pass a background check – they get their guns from friends/family members or by stealing them. So the overwhelming majority of people who go through background checks are law-abiding gun owners. When the system was created, gun owners were promised that it would be instant, accurate and fair. Unfortunately, that isn’t the case today. Too many states are failing to put criminal and mental health records into the system – and it should go without saying that a system’s only going to be as effective as the records that are put into it. What we need to do is fix the system we have and make it work as intended. What we don’t need to do is expand a broken system.

NATIONAL RIGHT TO CARRY. The right of self-defense doesn’t stop at the end of your driveway. That’s why I have a concealed carry permit and why tens of millions of Americans do too. That permit should be valid in all 50 states. A driver’s license works in every state, so it’s common sense that a concealed carry permit should work in every state. If we can do that for driving – which is a privilege, not a right – then surely we can do that for concealed carry, which is a right, not a privilege.

MILITARY BASES AND RECRUITING CENTERS. Banning our military from carrying firearms on bases and at recruiting centers is ridiculous. We train our military how to safely and responsibly use firearms, but our current policies leave them defenseless. To make America great again, we need a strong military. To have a strong military, we need to allow them to defend themselves.
 
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