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Fiorina is not making it out of this race alive. She's a bad bitch, maybe even the baddest bitch in the land, but her track record is going to decimate her.
Clearly. A person doesn't magically become that stupid out of nowhere.
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Fiorina is not making it out of this race alive. She's a bad bitch, maybe even the baddest bitch in the land, but her track record is going to decimate her.
Clearly. A person doesn't magically become that stupid out of nowhere.
Too late Ben!
FloydtheFathead
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1) definitely not the first
2) he will steal trump support I think especially with trump's comment on Muslims as good people
PhoenixDark
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Not looking good for Walker. The telling thing about the debate was that he almost received no applause for his comments. Even his red meat was shrugged off.
I wonder what the polling looks like. Wouldn't be shocked if 40-45% of the country agrees with him on that.
I wonder what the polling looks like. Wouldn't be shocked if 40-45% of the country agrees with him on that.
Macho Madness
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I think Walker limps along to Iowa. He made a statement to a MSNBC reporter a few days ago that he was putting all his chips on winning Iowa.
If he doesn't come close in Iowa, I'd bet he's done.
If he doesn't come close in Iowa, I'd bet he's done.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Was my prediction from the beginning.
NBC poll releases at 10:30, btw.
I think the only three left with a legitimate shot at the nomination are Trump, Rubio, and Jeb.
Fiorina will drop off once people start hitting her on selling to Iran illegally (which I'm sure her response will again be "The board was dysfunctional!") and the ads about her horrific run as CEO hit the airwaves. She'll be crushed next debate. Although, if I were the left, I would be cheering her on because she has already said enough pro-war stuff in the last debate to absolute destroy her in the general election. She'd have no chance against Hillary.
Carson will remain steady and is a clear pick for VP. Again, his idiotic anti-Muslim comment will hurt him in a general election, but have no effect and may even raise his numbers in the primaries.
Everyone else will disappear, and either Carson or Trump will get their votes.
That leaves the establishment, and I think they'll all go to either Jeb or Rubio. I lean toward Rubio because I think he's clearly the better candidate, but Jeb has a boatload of cash. My guess, though? Walker's supporters and cash go to Rubio and those two go head to head over the establishment vote.
PantherLotus
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Walker's bigger immediate concern is that he has no money. He might drop out before the next freaking debate.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Yep. Everyone is leaving. Articles about that have been coming out over the past month and this debate was the last chance. He's done, and I'll bet he's out in the next two weeks.
He never actually got Koch money?
Basileus777
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Super PACs can't pay his campaign staff.
Oh. Right.
ErasureAcer
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And why wasn't Fiorina in prison or anyone for HP? Where is the Justice Department?
Aaron Strife
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Poor, poor stupid Scott Walker.
Poodlestrike
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thepotatoman
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Trump looking a lot weaker, but it's still amazing how well the three who've never worked in government are doing. It's starting to seem like the GOP really does want someone who's never worked in government, regardless of who that is.
Retromelon
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Cheebo was banned and hasn't been heard from since. One mod told me he/she? wasn't perm'd tho
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thepotatoman
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"Because a lot of people who go into prison go into prison straight -- and when they come out, they're gay. So, did something happen while they were in there? Ask yourself that question"
He's a lot like Trump in that he'd be destroyed when he starts getting evaluated by people who don't believe that stuff, and don't believe his apologies that blame the liberal media and political correctness.
With Obamacare working well, the economy doing decently, social progress being made for minorities, and other assorted good government work happening via executive order despite an absolutely dysfunctional Republican-led congress, the right-wing base is desperate to get someone in the White House that will not only be a Republican, but also be one bound to prove that government doesn't work and push even further-right agendas.
I actually had to write an essay on this very topic for my Islam class a few semesters ago. It was a weird assignment and most people said no.
Yeah. I made an irl bet on Walker
I think it'll come down to Trump vs antiTrump.
Bush has the money for this role, but he isn't catching fire. Still.. if he sticks around (he has the money to do so), he could hamstring anyone else who would arise to become the antiTrump.
So I'm sticking with Trump for now. I hope another "second choice" poll comes out soon so that we can get a better idea of how he fares when the field gets narrowed.
Bush has the money for this role, but he isn't catching fire. Still.. if he sticks around (he has the money to do so), he could hamstring anyone else who would arise to become the antiTrump.
So I'm sticking with Trump for now. I hope another "second choice" poll comes out soon so that we can get a better idea of how he fares when the field gets narrowed.
benjipwns
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The "worst in debate" numbers show why Rand never really had a chance and his going after regular conservatives on certain social issues was always for nothing, he got kneecapped in the last debate when everyone else piled on with the W. foreign/security policy love fest and how weed is a gateway drug that killed Carly's kid being the two main questions he got time on.
When he backed off trying to finesse immigration a few weeks ago I figured they must have been looking at the Trump surge among the other numbers and he was like fuck this. His goal should now be just to annoy Trump more by taking shots at him which Trump can't resist responding to.
When he backed off trying to finesse immigration a few weeks ago I figured they must have been looking at the Trump surge among the other numbers and he was like fuck this. His goal should now be just to annoy Trump more by taking shots at him which Trump can't resist responding to.
Agreed, the guy's still an ass, but he made some great points in regards to foreign policy and marijuana. Also, yay at Walker flopping! The guy and the Kochs can suck it.
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thepotatoman
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But it's also a Survey Monkey poll. The CNN/ORC is probably the best one we have right now.
benjipwns
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Which is why he did the worst at the debate.
Him and Carson were practically the only guys not poppin' boners over getting into fights with somebody, somewhere, somehow. Plus they took shots at the guy who KEPT US SAFE.
And the pot stuff hit everything on a politicians/old people talking about drugs bingo card: gateway drug, pot more dangerous today than 20 years ago, i did it and it was a mistake, someone got addicted to it and died, to not fight the drug war harder lets the criminals win, etc.
Jeb Bush clearly didn't use weed as a gateway drug. Unless that wasn't the argument he was trying to make. "It's so addictive and such a gateway drug; I used it once and then never did drugs again."
And Carly Fiorina using her dead child as a political toy was so disgraceful.
FloydtheFathead
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I am so glad I wasn't the only one who was so shocked at that statement. I guess it's because he is so classy?
You're right, I didn't notice. I still find it hard to believe Walker is at zero.
Her dead child died from alcohol and prescription medicine abuse and a tragic overdose on those substances. Not at all relevant evidence for a marijuana debate.
To be so disingenuous about the death of your own child to twist the story of their death with misleading framing effects is indeed disgraceful.
And_Gignac
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After the Carly hype dies down, the next in line for second place would probably be Rubio. Jeb is a wild car. Not even a trillion dollars can buy that dude a personality but he may endure to stay on the race longer than others, and capture the anti-Trump vote (even when I see Carly capturing that role if she continues to impress).
Sign me up for Trump. I think he has this already, even when I see Carly and Marco/Jeb giving him a fight.
He is not at 0%. He is at 0,5%.
Read the whole article. Things are changing, there are law makers already questioning the "he is unelectable" mantra from Clintonians.
Sign me up for Trump. I think he has this already, even when I see Carly and Marco/Jeb giving him a fight.
He is not at 0%. He is at 0,5%.
Read the whole article. Things are changing, there are law makers already questioning the "he is unelectable" mantra from Clintonians.
benjipwns
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I don't think the Kochs were spending any money for Walker, or really backing him, they opposed him pretty strongly on that Bucks arena deal this summer.
The Koch's aren't listed as having spent a million dollars in the primaries as of July 31st. The KOCHPAC has only given $10,000 to Rand and $5,000 to Rubio. The rest of their $437,500 in contributions are all to House or Senate candidates. The so-called "Koch network" has given out a total of $2,700 so far this cycle, all to House candidates.
The Walker SuperPAC money was from:
The big donors haven't done too well in the polls really:
The Koch's were hinting at getting in the primary for the first time instead of the general only, but I'm thinking it'll be further down the road:
From looking at the PAC donations:
The Koch's aren't listed as having spent a million dollars in the primaries as of July 31st. The KOCHPAC has only given $10,000 to Rand and $5,000 to Rubio. The rest of their $437,500 in contributions are all to House or Senate candidates. The so-called "Koch network" has given out a total of $2,700 so far this cycle, all to House candidates.
The Walker SuperPAC money was from:
They also had only spent $2 million out of the $20 million through August. Jeb! had only spent $2 million out of his $103 million.
The big donors haven't done too well in the polls really:
The Koch's were hinting at getting in the primary for the first time instead of the general only, but I'm thinking it'll be further down the road:
If Rubio starts shaping up as the best non-Trump/non-Jeb! option...maybe...
From looking at the PAC donations:
lol
That's even worse. She is awful.
NBC:
I can't
That is one of the most disgusting things I have ever read.
benjipwns
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It's not even her daughter, she's never had kids. The two girls were her now husbands (she was then having an affair with while both were married) and his ex-wife was awarded custody of them. (They were 9 and 13 at the divorce.)
Her "daughter" that died (in 2009 at 35) was also bulimic, so it was a shitty combination all around. Drugs weren't the root of her problems.
Her "daughter" that died (in 2009 at 35) was also bulimic, so it was a shitty combination all around. Drugs weren't the root of her problems.
Oh dear god...
Tarkus
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Which is all a damn shame. This party...
You know, this is as low as it gets for any candidate to prop their points up using so called personal anecdotes. Really disgusting.
So she did pandering to the extreme.
Seriously, it was already a leap to tie in Marijuana to a person's death. A leap of epic proportions.
But now this? If this were a different issue, I would hope Trump would slam her lies. Unfortunately, I don't think he will.
I didn't even know we could go this low and yet here we are.
Oof, I didn't know that. That's so gross.
Also, LOL @ SCOTT WALKER. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
The difference between this and a normal cycle is Trump can say "You're just a puppet of the Koch brothers, I turned their money down, blah blah blah" and actually get big media coverage since he = ratings.
Also Trump can obviously self-fund and is pretty well-known already. All that's going to diminish any impact of a negative ad blitz in the primaries.
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