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PoliGAF 2015 |OT2| Pls print
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thepotatoman
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I guess we are only going to see a continuing resolution. I wonder how much pressure the next speaker is going to go under to prove himself by shutting down the government.
Tarkus
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Mods shame tag the losers. That way there's no escape.Listing the terms tonight.
brainchild
Banned
Such a system (unclassified system incapable of transmitting classified information) does not exist. It is virtually impossible with the technology that we currently have. It only serves as a means of comparison. The distinction is still necessary because an unclassified system, even on a private server, is not inherently unsuitable or problematic for government work. It only potentially becomes a problem when other factors are involved, like having the capability to transmit classified information.
And my argument has nothing to do with the Republican angle. If it weren't an email scandal, it would be something else with them. That it had enough substance to gain traction is pure coincidence, and not a legitimacy to their approach.
However, my comments about Hillary have been based on my own perspective about this particular situation and how she should have made better decisions being in her position, and have nothing to do with what she can do shield herself from public scrutiny (it's inevitable).
Retromelon
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I appreciated Graham's answer a bit.
Also go fuck yourself Jindal.
Enough.
Hear me! My friends, I and another noble soul, Aaron Strife, march against the usurper king Theodore of Cruz and his wicked supporters, Manmademan and JesseEwiak.
We're riding this straight into the sunset but its not too late! We only need one more vote for Bobby to turn the tide! If you have a just bone in your body, join our crusade. This boat leaves friday and we shall probably not return. If you stand idle now you are complicit in Ted's victory. We want you. Vote Jindal
Aaron Strife
Banned
It's the Louisiana Miracle, baby.
I'm all in for Piyush
I'm all in for Piyush
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I'm out if there's any "terms." For fun only.
NYCmetsfan
Banned
Trump is lol
Retromelon
Member
God damnit neo sometimes there are more important things than a picture next to your forum name
JHoNNy1OoO
Member
This Trump interview on 60 minutes really has been something else. Never fails to deliver the entertainment.
Pssh. That's a piece of cake.
I didn't see 60 Minutes.. did he help or hurt himself?
Tarkus
Member
Nose shadow *cringe*
But he looks like a damn Dr. Seuss character.
Aaron Strife
Banned
Me and retromelon will be the ones laughing once Piyush comes to shove.
Retromelon
Member
10/10 just right amount of water
fucking casuals mate swerh on me nan
I'm very thankful for Jindal right now. He appears to be helping with dragging the Republican brand down in our state, to the point where the Democratic gubernatorial candidate might actually be competitive this time around.
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thepotatoman
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The interviewer is almost as ridiculous as trump, complaining about the 17 trillion dollar debt and acting like we're not allowed to ever challenge trade agreements of the past, no matter how terrible that is, that agreement is here to stay until the end of time.
I also find the "you're not going to get anything through congress" attack useless, because that can probably be said to pretty much everyone, unless republicans win the senate and get rid of the filibuster, and if Trump does somehow win republicans the presidency and congress, I'm going to guess they'll be way more open to his ideas for the direction of the party.
Trump is also crazy too of course. While I do like tariffs as a possible way to help with inequality by emphasising more manual labor jobs in america at fairer prices, it's still pretty well established in economic theory that tariffs will definitely decrease GDP, not increase it.
I also find the "you're not going to get anything through congress" attack useless, because that can probably be said to pretty much everyone, unless republicans win the senate and get rid of the filibuster, and if Trump does somehow win republicans the presidency and congress, I'm going to guess they'll be way more open to his ideas for the direction of the party.
Trump is also crazy too of course. While I do like tariffs as a possible way to help with inequality by emphasising more manual labor jobs in america at fairer prices, it's still pretty well established in economic theory that tariffs will definitely decrease GDP, not increase it.
Coriolanus
Banned
No surprise there, it's a hit piece.
Should add an asterisk by the name of those that hopped from one candidate to another.
Should add an asterisk by the name of those that hopped from one candidate to another.
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thepotatoman
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Great. I look forward to lording my foresight over everyone else in the OP throughout 2016.
Hard to say, but Twitter feedback seemed good.
Is anyone noticing Trump's stance on illegal immigrants? Round them up, legalize the "good ones". Totally predicted that, along with that he won't get specific until securing the nomination. I wonder how it will all unfold. Not changing who I think will ultimately win, but this was a better performance than recently.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
Most people say he looked like a rambling moron detached from reality. I personally didn't see it.
Any time I hear the idea of "rounding up" large numbers of people, my mind immediately brings-up images of the people scoopers from Soylent Green..
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thepotatoman
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I'm assuming those people weren't ever trump supporters to begin with. He's always been a rambling moron.
Retromelon
Member
I support looking down on those whose convictions wavered under pressure
I lold
I think people just assume there's nothing that can be done about trade. But here's some of the things he said.
1. Force China to deal with North Korea, or collapse their economy
2. Let Putin deal with ISIS in Syria
3. Destroy ISIS in Iraq, including ground troops
4. Renegotiate NAFTA or break it. Basically he will start a trade war to get jobs back in America.
Lots of bold actions in a Trump presidency.
Macho Madness
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"Round them up" sounds like something a certain Austrian-born German would say. Terrifying rhetoric.
They are in America illegally. How else do you get them processed for citizenship efficiently, than by "rounding them up"? ID cards, social security numbers, etc? The rhetoric could use some massaging, for sure. And I am making assumptions that this is what Trump means. He should clarify himself If he wants to be President.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
How are you gonna round people up who sneak into the country? Stop and search everyone who looks hispanic?
shinra-bansho
Member
Searching seems needlessly labour intensive.
Just forcibly deport everyone Hispanic. Then let the citizens back through the big beautiful door in the wall.
Duh.
Idiotic, unnecessary, wouldn't work. We don't have the power to collapse China's economy. We could probably upset them a lot and make them poorer, at the cost of impoverishing millions of Americans.
Idiotic, probably wouldn't work, legitimizes Assad's civil rights abuses and use of chemical weapons.
Completely idiotic, wouldn't work, we literally just tried this ten years ago and that's how we got ISIS in the first place.
Idiotic, wouldn't work, flies in the face of basically every economics theory on either the left or right side, would almost certainly mean a loss of American jobs.
That's one word! Some others come to mind.
Particle Physicist
between a quark and a baryon
You cannot extrapolate like that from such a small sample. I don't think you guys understand statistical analysis here. Doing that opens you up to all kinds of statistical errors since a small irregularity can have large consequences. Look up Power, type I and II errors, etc. there is a reason why in research there is an attempt to have the largest sample size possible.
Clinton did not do anything differently than her predecessors, including republican loved Colin Powell. All this stuff, including Benghazi, is such a transparent attempt at fabricating a controversy since it was always clear she was going to be the likely Democratic candidate. It's a shame that the media plays right into it
Hobbestetrician
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I am gonna need to see some papers, please.
As far as I can tell, this is complete nonsense. Your entire point is that you wouldn't have a problem with Hillary using her own server as long as it was a magical server from the far future which could identify and refuse to transmit classified information? How is that even worth making us think about, much less having to read paragraph upon paragraph about? No such system exists or will ever exist. And if it did exist, it would be way more insecure than what happened here, because such a server would either need to have access to all classified information or contain within itself heuristics for defining all classified information. Come on now.
Coriolanus
Banned
Giving him support legitimizes it. Ignoring and doing nothing legitimizes it as much as it legitimizes all the other horrible stuff going on around the globe that the US ignores.
Russia is Assad's ally. Any deal we cut with Putin to put troops in Syria would be understood by everybody as a deal to allow Russia to put down the Syrian rebels (because that's what it would be).
Coriolanus
Banned
You're equating allowing and not opposing, and i can't quite see why.
Nor do i see why the US should interfere in Syria more than it already has, for that matter.
Nor do i see why the US should interfere in Syria more than it already has, for that matter.
Metaphoreus
This is semantics, and nothing more
Since I wasn't about to do math, I covered the possibility that the 40 emails are not representative by speaking of a possibility that they are.
But since we now have an expert among us, what is the probability that a random sample of 40 emails out of a population of 30,000 would turn up the only two containing top secret material?
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
What the fuck?
QuiteWhittle
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Ignatz Mouse
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PantherLotus
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thepotatoman
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Carson unlocked the secret to the republican primary. Just keep staying in the news by saying crazy stuff.
Trump needs to come up with new crazy stuff to say. His old crazy stuff is getting boring.
I admit, I never really gave him a fair shot before, I mostly formed my opinion from what everyone else was saying. But he's actually fairly reasonable. He has no filter, but NAFTA is a terrible agreement, he advocates a streamlined immigration process (even if it's nuts that he wants to kick them out before giving them citizenship), and he sounds very much in favor of some form of single-payer healthcare.
I'm still entirely in favor of Sanders, and if not him, I'll probably go with Hillary, but Trump would probably be the ideal GOP candidate out of the current selection. The other guys are just freaking insane.
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