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PoliGAF 2016 |OT11| Well this is exciting
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They just don't need it. The media is gonna focus on both of them now, tangentially, but still.
Why? They don't need this.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Ahmed (the Muslim boy arrested for building a clock and bringing it to school) "made" a clock that wasn't a real invention (LIKE HE CLAIMED IT WAS!) and, really, maybe he was looking to draw attention to himself by making it look like a bomb (... because it had wires or something?) so that he would get arrested and could sue the state.
There are a lot of different version of the conspiracy, no one settled on a common conspiracy narrative. People didn't want to believe that a Muslim child could be racially profiled so blatantly.
Cuban believes in some parts of the clock conspiracy theory and that's uncomfortable.
I don't think it will hurt. But I still don't like it, because there's no upside and he's a shitty ally.
I would imagine his reaction also opens him up to people asking why he reacted the way he did. That opens the door to that Cuban is a billionaire and it's provable. Where Trump just claims to be one and refuses to release his tax returns, etc. so no one knows for sure and many believe he isn't and how that bothers Trump in the end. Even if this becomes about Trump around the debate it's not a good narrative to have because so much of it leads back to him negatively. The best thing he could have done was shut the hell up but he couldn't help himself. This is after he said he was going to be nice and respectful to Hillary. The next day that goes out the window.
Dude, have you seen Cuban's Philly rally? He is a phenomenal surrogate that connects beautifully to a lot of the same people who are voting for Trump. As for having him at the debate, he's a surrogate for the campaign and has been for months. It's nothing new or special to have them at a debate. Inviting the mistress of your opponent's spouse who is not one of your own surrogates is stupid and impulsive.
What do you want me to say? Trumps move is way worse, but Cuban sucks. Just don't think he needs to be around, and Hill doesn't need someone to appeal to Trump voters. Fuck them, motivate your base.
Thunder Monkey
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He's a good public speaker and his status as an actual billionaire pisses Trump off.
I don't think there's anything else to it.
I don't think there's anything else to it.
Pretty much this. Cuban is an actual proven billionaire. Trump feels he has billions. He completely hates it when other people are better off then hin.
Lucky Forward
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With the bright TV lights shining on stage and the audience in relative darkness, will either candidate even be able to see the audience during the debate?
DrForester
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Let Trump invite her. Gives Clinton a perfect "You're running against me, not my Husband" moment.
We're worried about the media narrative. I don't think anyone expects Trump to do better in the Debate, but the media has been pretty lousy, and I can see them playing up the horse race angle.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Hillary's husband being an accused rapist seems to have gotten more play than Hillary's opponent being a rapist (and possible pedophile) and it's so odd.
What has Cuban done other than Clock truthirism that would taint Clinton as "both sides are bad?". The media would look really shitty if they dare try to cover on Gennifer Flowers and they would be met with a lot of blacklash. Yes, Bill's a philanderer, but Hillary has nothing to do with it.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Inviting Cuban is not nearly as bad as inviting Flowers, especially since Hillary is just inviting Cuban to troll Trump's lack of wealth.
Cuban just annoys me. I think it's a good political strategy, but is just personally annoying.
I'm going to be cautiously optimistic here: ever since Trump played the media with that birther "denouncement" media coverage has been a bit more fair. I've been seeing Trump get called a lot more in the press, and CNN/MSNBC aren't letting his surrogates get away with nearly as much. I think it has finally sunk in for the media at large that it's a serious knock to their credibility to keep playing this as "both sides" when they're dealing with such unequal candidates.
If Hillary keeps her cool (and delivers a BRIEF answer to the email question), I still see Trump getting mostly negative coverage. Because even when he tries to be "presidential" he looks like a child that's just been scolded. Anybody remember his debate pout?
Frank the Great
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Hillary should point to Cuban as an "actual" billionaire when the tax returns come up.
Four_Chamber
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Question, correct me if I'm wrong but won't the audience be instructed to not make any noise during the debates (unlike the primaries). I think this is a massive disadvantage for Trump since his crappy one-liners won't be able to elicit any responses.
Part of the reason he thrived in that shitshow of te GOP debates was the nature of the audiences.
Part of the reason he thrived in that shitshow of te GOP debates was the nature of the audiences.
Yup. It'll be like those sad videos with a blowhorn. Can't wait.
DrForester
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I can't imagine Trump is dumb enough to bring up Bill's infidelity. Clinton can not only hit him back by saying that he's running against her, not her husband, but she can hit back on his own infidelity.
I think Trump's entire strategy will be to keep bringing up Emails, the Clinton Foundation, and Benghazi.
"If she can't satisfy her husband how can she satisfy the country?"
I think we're seeing Trump work himself into a shoot.
Spiritreaver
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Lol, I see both Nates got in a bit of a scuffle on Twitter today over 538's model and the inclusion of certain polls.
TumblingHippo
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I feel like if Trump says something outlandish that hurts him again, that'll be something new and completely unexpected that makes Hillary laugh, and the media will go with the narrative "both sides
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Aaron Strife
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Frank Underwood tried that and it backfired immediately, but I'm guessing Trump has never seen House of Cards.
Dubbedinenglish
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I'd fully expect Janet Reno to run up and clothesline Trump during the debate.
It's possible. All Clinton has to do is pivot away from that. Say something along the lines of "That's not why we're here. We're here to discuss issues that Americans are worried about." Something like that.
It would be incredibly dumb for Trump to bring that up.
So it's something extremely likely for Trump to do.
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weighing 98 pounds
The Sire of Statistics
The Commissioner of Censuses
The Deacon of Demographics
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The Poo Pundit
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weighing 98 pounds
The Sire of Statistics
The Commissioner of Censuses
The Deacon of Demographics
Nateeeeee GODDDDDCOHNNNNNNN
and in this corner
weighing 99 pounds
The Poo Pundit
The Mischievous Modeler
The Sad Sack of Stats
Bad Nate SILLVVERRRRRR
Indeed. It's a legit concern.
Part of me feels like something like this is likely.
Trump has shown this entire election that he craves the attention being on him, even if it's negative. He won't be able to beat Hillary on substance, or looking presidential. A much more subdued audience won't play into his insults.
Once the debate progresses and it dawns on him that he's losing, I fully expect him to say the most outrageous thing he can think of to make that the only thing coming out of the debate that people talk about.
Chezzymann
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I just realized that no matter what happens in the debate fox news will say trump won by a landslide since for some reason debate internet polls are always raided by Trump trolls so that he gets like 90% or something ridiculous
They get opening and closing statements no? It doesn't matter, I don't think anything matters anymore.
She'll "win" the debate because she'll look like the adult.
ArkhamFantasy
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"Did she look sick to you?"
"She looked like she didnt want to be there"
"Trump looked so strong"
"Trump is so confident"
BlastProcessing
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I have seen no evidence that Conway has any level of power inside the campaign. Bannon and Ailes fingerprints are everywhere, Conway, not so much. It seems like she mostly just makes TV appearances.
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