I believe that's an open constitutional question.
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I believe that's an open constitutional question.
I don't think everyone repeating "This is not normal" is really going to help. Even soft Trump supporters wanted him to be abnormal.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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I mean "dumbfuck hardcore racist campaigns on the idea that the elites are stealing your wealth and then immediately starts on a presidency of genocide and economic ruin in which the poor are hurt much harder than the rich and the government is robbed blind and the president makes constant embarrassing threats." is something that the United States has gone through.
It's not that abnormal.
I think she's earned retirement, if that's what she wants. If she wants to continue being a public servant, that's ok too.
We're not nominating her again in 2020 (she's smart enough to realize this), so that's a moot point.
Yeah I get that.
I was referencing how everyone on twitter just keeps repeating "this is not normal."
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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Trump surrogates already pretty close to defending Japanese internment camps when talking about Muslims.
https://twitter.com/bad_takes/status/799079032499343360
Please stay safe, everyone
Okay, so when are we going to get sent back to the prime timeline?
yeah sure let's abandon the idea of time and context
we're talking about internment camps for muslims, not bringing back the cherry phosphate
excelsiorlef
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It is utterly fascinating how this is being received around here compared to when Sanders verbatim said exactly the same thing only in a way that much more reinforced/normalized the Trump won because WWC economic anxiety narrative.
When he said it it was signs of a great leader
When other Dems say it it's giving into the GOP and normalizing Trump....
I'm not even trying to be antagonistic, it's just utterly fascinating how different the reactions are just based on who in the party is saying it.
Its smart given Trump's tenuous policy positions and lack of political experience. If I had any strategy for working with Donald Trump it would be stroking his ego and working in areas where he is most pliable.
While simultaneously pitting him against the larger GOP.
Yes, but the important bit is that this can't be our only component to the strategy. Resistance in government and on street level will also be incredibly important. Seize as many vectors of attack working toward Trump's neutering and downfall as possible. Keep him off-balance and in doubt. Always.
metalslimer
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The best thing to do would be to sow the seed of doubt of Pence's loyalty. Driving a wedge between them would be very useful.
hipsterpants
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Working with Trump on some legislation is super smart. I'm actually like 100% sure that Trump would actually aggressively pursue some of those proposals if the Dems convinced him to lol.
Number 1 job of Dems over the next few years is getting the working class to realize that the GOP is a bunch of lying fuckshits that don't actually care about them. If that means putting Trump in a good light on some issues then so be it. Trumpkins will likely side with Trump over the GOP. Kander should always be a reminder that Trump voter does not always equal GOP voter.
Plus it will probably enrage some GOP congressmen seeing Trump work with the Dems. Bonus points!
Trump's election really is a Pyrrhic victory for the GOP imo. Minority vote = lost forever (and I'm sure a surge in Latinx registration for 2020). And the working class is now in "prove that you can fix us, GOP" mode without a scary black man as president to distract them. I really think the party is fucked for the future.
Number 1 job of Dems over the next few years is getting the working class to realize that the GOP is a bunch of lying fuckshits that don't actually care about them. If that means putting Trump in a good light on some issues then so be it. Trumpkins will likely side with Trump over the GOP. Kander should always be a reminder that Trump voter does not always equal GOP voter.
Plus it will probably enrage some GOP congressmen seeing Trump work with the Dems. Bonus points!
Trump's election really is a Pyrrhic victory for the GOP imo. Minority vote = lost forever (and I'm sure a surge in Latinx registration for 2020). And the working class is now in "prove that you can fix us, GOP" mode without a scary black man as president to distract them. I really think the party is fucked for the future.
Chezzymann
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woah hillary looks a lot older for some reason
ItWasMeantToBe19
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That centrist writers have refused to accept the idea that Trump voters have agency that Trump voters decided to make president out of the man who thinks Muslims are "snakes" is fascinating.
I haven't seen infantilization like this in a long time.
I haven't seen infantilization like this in a long time.
Yeah definitely.
I don't expect activists to ever let up on Trump. I sure hope they/we don't. Similarly I would be extremely disappointed if Democrats in office don't fight Trump on all of his terrible policies. But splintering the GOP and Trump is a good strategy that can also lead to progress.
No make up.
https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/798738692705816576?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
After ditching media, Trump went to dinner, got caught on camera saying "We'll get your taxes downdon't worry about it" to his rich friends
After ditching media, Trump went to dinner, got caught on camera saying "We'll get your taxes downdon't worry about it" to his rich friends
VendettaRed07
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shinra-bansho
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Is violation of the Emolument Clause impeachable?
It's also worth pointing out that he won the primary saying the opposite
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...ng_taxes_on_the_wealthy_including_myself.html
Well, it is a thing in the constitution so I assume so.
aspiegamer
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Ooh, I remember that. In the primaries Trump talked about all the absurd shit rich people could get away with in their taxes to avoid them. He was clearing speaking from experience, and he's not at all wrong! Of all the things to "believe him" on, this is a pretty solid one. This is one reason I don't understand his corporate tax position. They have an infinite bag of tax tricks, too, but it was popular to talk about cutting those rates while raising income tax on the wealthy in the primaries? Those are somewhat contradictory.
A Human Becoming
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I wish the tax code was just simpler: it's complicated so people with enough resources can abuse it.
RastaMentality
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like [Fuckorina]3 pages long[/Fuckorina]?
BoosterDuck
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As a former Rick Perry regime survivor I hope you guys start believing in a god so you can come to terms with yourself.
Dubbedinenglish
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9-9-9
A Human Becoming
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Naw, not by that much.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...pen-clinton-email-probe-enabled-donald-trump/
Well, if Comey really did call Lewandowski (Who was a member of the Trump campaign) ahead of time then I AM FUCKING FURIOUS.
No Republican should ever be appointed to anything again.
excelsiorlef
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ItWasMeantToBe19
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I like how Comey was allegedly willing to collude with a fascist campaign that had drug his name through the mud and called for his imprisonment just because he hated Hillary Clinton.
Hopefully he pisses off Trump and is sent to Gitmo.
Hopefully he pisses off Trump and is sent to Gitmo.
shinra-bansho
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I guess setting aside Congress will look the other way when this happens... you still get Pence. Yuck.
This needs to be prosecuted if true.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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To be fair to Comey, Lewandowski is a wild liar who would tell you the sky is green.
But this is worth looking into and is enraging if true.
But this is worth looking into and is enraging if true.
RastaMentality
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i wonder when the GOP propaganda machine will start up the Medicare smear. Paul Ryan's already going around saying Obamacare caused irreparable damage to Medicare and that it has to be reformed or it'll die bankrupt. Fox News & AM talk radio will have old white republicans believing by mid-2017 that obama most definitely fucked up the program and that Paul Ryan is gonna fix it.
Yeah. "This isn't normal", when actually, for a lot of people it's what they want to be normal, does no good. "This is immoral" may actually push people to rethink what they're thinking/saying/allowing.
That's cool... I'm glad she's bounced back already.
That's as blatant a breaking of the Hatch Act as you'll get. And, to be fair to the source, The Telegraph has a bias, but it's doesn't generally print untrue statements.
Elaugaufein
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Didn't the Court decide during the whole Bill Clinton Saga that whatever Congress says is impeachable is impeachable ?
Avon Barksdale
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Orange County, Florida not California.
Bonen no Max'd
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I think Medicare is the single most popular government program in the country.
I'm not sure any amount of GOP propaganda can make people want it cut.
RastaMentality
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they'll sell it as reforms that won't have the program running out of money like Obamacare did! After this year, i feel Trump and the GOP could sell their Party on most things.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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They're not going to beat the AARP at this stuff.
Elaugaufein
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Tbf National Unemployment is not uniform, some of Trumps supporters likely experiencing significantly higher local / personal rates.
And for the second, thats got a lot to do with some rather silly (in hindsight) expectations we set as a society regarding what "real work" is and what it means to be a "man".
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