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[shinra-bansho]

You're all so boring.
Who the hell cares who calls Bernie Sanders what. Why does anyone even care enough about him to namecall now. God.

 

[whyamihere]

You're all so boring.

Not me.

 

[chadskin]

David Fahrenthold just shared this story: Donald Trump's sons behind nonprofit selling access to president-elect

A new Texas nonprofit led by Donald Trump’s grown sons is offering access to the freshly-minted president during inauguration weekend — all in exchange for million-dollar donations to unnamed “conservation” charities, according to interviews and documents reviewed by the Center for Public Integrity.

Amazing.

 

[JP_]

The greens are anti science Russian puppet crazy people?

I thought the rainbow coalition was Jesse Jackson...

 

[Odrion]

we can have the "bernie bros" be the young patriots organization

the blm movement can be the black panthers

it'll be great, the fbi will kill and imprison all of us again!

 

[whyamihere]

I thought the rainbow coalition was Jesse Jackson...

It is.

 

[Odrion]

I thought the rainbow coalition was Jesse Jackson...

it was resurrected in the 90s, but it originally was a gathering of numerous far-left ethnic groups fighting for civil and economic rights in the 60s and 70s

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_Coalition_(Fred_Hampton)

 

[sunshine and gasoline]

David Fahrenthold just shared this story: Donald Trump's sons behind nonprofit selling access to president-elect


Amazing.

Simply brilliant. Everyone should be more like them.

 

[pigeon]

That's a surprisingly impolitic tone for a former president to take with a president-elect, even given the intensely personal nature of this situation. I don't remember if he said things like this about W after Gore conceded...

They weren't true about W.

 

[213372bu]

Again: where was Bernie called a white nationalist saboteur? Did I miss it?

I didn't like him because he was a white nationalist. Bernie's problems with black voters didn't stem from people labelling his supporters as Bernie Bros.

Sanders did a two prong attack on the candidate and the party.

That's a scorched earth attack which doesn't leave much room open for reconciliation once you go down that route.

There's more posts throughout, he's not called a saboteur directly, but there's people claiming he only used the party to get elected and destroyed it on his way out.

 

[Toxi]

Man, I had this bad dream the election was over and Donald Trump was President. I clearly missed that we're actually in the middle of the Democrat primary.

 

[pigeon]

I didn't like him because he was a white nationalist. Bernie's problems with black voters didn't stem from people labelling his supporters as Bernie Bros.

Is there a misunderstanding in this post? I don't think Sanders is a white nationalist. He's just a politician in a very white state.

 

[plagiarize]

"Third-party leaning voters don't matter in the election"
"Bernie is a white nationalist saboteur"
"We actually gained ground this election"
"America voted for Trump because he was a lying clown and didn't want to listen to facts. Not because he exploited both radicals and people that the Democrats were taking for granted."
"Let's run another entertainer in 2020, that'll work"

Do some of you guys know how you sound?

Bernie stated that he wanted to go after white voters, and he is a nationalist (ie anti trade).

I don't think he was trying to sabotage anything though.

 

[whyamihere]

There's more posts throughout, he's not called a saboteur directly, but there's people claiming he only used the party to get elected and destroyed it on his way out.

Hmm, I missed that post about him being a white nationalist. That is bad. But that post also didn't call him a saboteur.

Bernie stated that he wanted to go after white voters, and he is a nationalist (ie anti trade).

I don't think he was trying to sabotage anything though.

That is not what "white nationalist" means.

 

[Odrion]

bernie had made numerous mistakes with the black community but the narrative that all his supporters were white did take off

remember #BernieMadeMeWhite?

 

[JP_]

Bernie stated that he wanted to go after white voters, and he is a nationalist (ie anti trade).

I don't think he was trying to sabotage anything though.

lol

Maybe I should have phrased it differently, but he is both white and what I would call a nationalist.

wat

 

[plagiarize]

Hmm, I missed that post about him being a white nationalist. That is bad. But that post also didn't call him a saboteur.



That is not what "white nationalist" means.

he is white, and wanted to run on a platform of appealing to white people first, and he is a nationalist.

Maybe I should have phrased it differently, but he is both white and what I would call a nationalist.

 

[Toxi]

We're gonna still be talking about Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton in 2018, aren't we?

 

[kirblar]

bernie had made numerous mistakes with the black community but the narrative that all his supporters were white did take off

Outside of U30s (leading to the relentless whining on social media that it wasn't true) it was very true. He was attempting Clinton's 08 strategy, which doesn't work.

 

[whyamihere]

he is white, and wanted to run on a platform of appealing to white people first, and he is a nationalist.

Maybe I should have phrased it differently, but he is both white and what I would call a nationalist.

...no, that's not... that's not what that means.

You're looking for protectionist.

 

[pigeon]

bernie had made numerous mistakes with the black community but the narrative that all his supporters were white did take off

so what the fuck do you want me to do about it

narratives aren't manufactured in poligaf, they emerge in response to mass perception of events

if you are mad because you think that bernie suffered unfairly because people took on a perception of him that doesn't match your perception of him welcome to the fucking club buddy

 

[Odrion]

so what the fuck do you want me to do about it

talk to me

hold me

 

[Debirudog]

he is white, and wanted to run on a platform of appealing to white people first, and he is a nationalist.

Maybe I should have phrased it differently, but he is both white and what I would call a nationalist.

I think he was just tone deaf towards minorities and that there was clearly a disconnect given that he lived in a very white rural state.

 

[kirblar]

We're gonna still be talking about Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton in 2018, aren't we?

Until Sanders leaves politics, yes. The personality cult isn't going to go away.

I think he was just tone deaf towards minorities and that there was clearly a disconnect given that he lived in a very white rural state.

Populism and minorities go together like oil and water.

 

[SerAardvark]

We're gonna still be talking about Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton in 2018, aren't we?

This is the kind of question a neoliberal corporatist shill would ask.

But yeah, we most likely will.

 

[plagiarize]

...no, that's not... that's not what that means.

You're looking for protectionist.

I'm not the only person describing him as a nationalist. I understand that term is somewhat charged by it's connections to Nazism, but he is absolutely not a globalist. He absolutely pointed to brexit as evidence that people didn't want globalism. He absolutely stood against trade agreements.

http://cfif.org/v/index.php/comment...bernie-sanders-socialist-nationalist-romantic
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/12/16/sand-d16.html
http://ericscottschuler.blogspot.com/2016/02/reject-nationalism-of-bernie-sanders.html

 

[Odrion]

he is white, and wanted to run on a platform of appealing to white people first, and he is a nationalist.

Maybe I should have phrased it differently, but he is both white and what I would call a nationalist.

if this was intended as humor then man it's great

 

[whyamihere]

I'm not the only person describing him as a nationalist. I understand that term is somewhat charged by it's connections to Nazism, but he is absolutely not a globalist. He absolutely pointed to brexit as evidence that people didn't want globalism. He absolutely stood against trade agreements.

http://cfif.org/v/index.php/comment...bernie-sanders-socialist-nationalist-romantic
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/12/16/sand-d16.html
http://ericscottschuler.blogspot.com/2016/02/reject-nationalism-of-bernie-sanders.html

Okay, but you absolutely can't say white nationalist, because that has connotations to Nazism and the KKK. So don't say that.

 

[Toxi]

Can we talk about how the fuck Democrats didn't do better with the Senate? In the election after Republican Senators basically mooned their country?

Like what went wrong with our ground level efforts?

 

[pigeon]

I'm not the only person describing him as a nationalist. I understand that term is somewhat charged by it's connections to Nazism, but he is absolutely not a globalist. He absolutely pointed to brexit as evidence that people didn't want globalism. He absolutely stood against trade agreements.

http://cfif.org/v/index.php/comment...bernie-sanders-socialist-nationalist-romantic
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/12/16/sand-d16.html
http://ericscottschuler.blogspot.com/2016/02/reject-nationalism-of-bernie-sanders.html

I agree with you that Sanders can be described as nationalistic, it's just that "white nationalist" has specific meanings that "a white guy, also believes in a nationalist trade policy" does not have. That's all that's confusing people here.

 

[kirblar]

Can we talk about how the fuck Democrats didn't do better with the Senate? In the election after Republican Senators basically mooned their country?

Like what went wrong with our ground level efforts?

Combination of Clinton's camp being bad w/ that stuff and the effects of Obama letting the DNC rot.

 

[pigeon]

Can we talk about how the fuck Democrats didn't do better with the Senate? In the election after Republican Senators basically mooned their country?

Like what went wrong with our ground level efforts?

Individual politicians are over, every single senate race went the same way that the presidential race did in that state for the first time in decades

in 2020 we can basically just run 33 cabbages next to jesse jackson or whoever we put up for president and it'll be fine

 

[whyamihere]

Individual politicians are over, every single senate race went the same way that the presidential race did in that state for the first time in decades

in 2020 we can basically just run 33 cabbages next to jesse jackson or whoever we put up for president and it'll be fine

I am not pro-cabbage.

 

[Team Alucard]

Can we talk about how the fuck Democrats didn't do better with the Senate? In the election after Republican Senators basically mooned their country?

Like what went wrong with our ground level efforts?

Hillary lost the states where most of the contested Senate races were.

You're not unseating an incumbent when the top of the ticket also loses.

 

[Wilsongt]

David Fahrenthold just shared this story: Donald Trump's sons behind nonprofit selling access to president-elect


Amazing.

Pay to play! Lock her up! Lock her up!

 

[Toxi]

Individual politicians are over, every single senate race went the same way that the presidential race did in that state for the first time in decades

in 2020 we can basically just run 33 cabbages next to jesse jackson or whoever we put up for president and it'll be fine

So what do we do in 2018 given we don't have a Presidential candidate?

 

[Odrion]

Until Sanders leaves politics, yes. The personality cult isn't going to go away.

who's going to talk about hillary in 2018?

 

[plagiarize]

I agree with you that Sanders can be described as nationalistic, it's just that "white nationalist" has specific meanings that "a white guy, also believes in a nationalist trade policy" does not have. That's all that's confusing people here.

His platform was literally trying to appeal to white people.

Sticking those two words together was probably a bit sensationalist, but those are the two main things I don't like about him. 1: His white working class people first platform. 2: His anti globalism stance.

I wasn't saying he was a "white nationalist". I was saying he was a "white" "nationalist". But you know, clearly my message was horribly tone deaf to the connotations of that.

At least I didn't call him a nationalist socialist, because you know, he is.

But he isn't a Nazi. And I sure as shit wouldn't call him one.

And maybe it's horrible of me to not like the idea of two white guys battling it out for the presidency in the wake of Obama, but I still don't like that idea.

 

[JP_]

I agree with you that Sanders can be described as nationalistic, it's just that "white nationalist" has specific meanings that "a white guy, also believes in a nationalist trade policy" does not have. That's all that's confusing people here.

Plus, in so much that Sanders is nationalistic, it's only economically. More accurate to say protectionist. Which is why plagiarize's citations are all fringe blogs.

 

[kirblar]

who's going to talk about hillary in 2018?

It'll come up inevitably b/c of Sanders, from either side.

 

[plagiarize]

Plus, in so much that Sanders is nationalistic, it's only economically. More accurate to say protectionist. Which is why plagiarize's citations are all fringe blogs.

I really didn't mean it sensationally. I meant it in a globalism vs nationalism way. But whatever. My citations were just things that popped up when I googled Bernie Sander's nationalist

 

[213372bu]

His platform was literally trying to appeal to white people.

Sticking those two words together was probably a bit sensationalist, but those are the two main things I don't like about him. 1: His white working class people first platform. 2: His anti globalism stance.

I wasn't saying he was a "white nationalist". I was saying he was a "white" "nationalist". But you know, clearly my message was horribly tone deaf to the connotations of that.

At least I didn't call him a nationalist socialist, because you know, he is.

But he isn't a Nazi. And I sure as shit wouldn't call him one.

And maybe it's horrible of me to not like the idea of two white guys battling it out for the presidency in the wake of Obama, but I still don't like that idea.

You're acting like you're being innocent and pragmatic, but you're clearly attempting to be coy.

 

[kirblar]

I really didn't mean it sensationally. I meant it in a globalism vs nationalism way. But whatever. My citations were just things that popped up when I googled Bernie Sander's nationalist

This has happened before, and will happen again. (I'm getting a scary amount of use out of this.) via @jbouie, from the late Lawrence Goodwyn's abridged history of the Populist movement

Different era, but the core dynamic remains the same. One white populist side embracing racism, the other, ignoring it. Minorities stuck in the middle.

Just say white populist - white nationalist is not a good term and you can't just redefine things because you want to.

 

[plagiarize]

You're acting like you're being innocent and pragmatic, but you're clearly attempting to be coy.

I genuinely thought people would understand what I really meant. I really didn't think people would think I was calling him a Nazi.

This has happened before, and will happen again. (I'm getting a scary amount of use out of this.) via @jbouie, from the late Lawrence Goodwyn's abridged history of the Populist movement

Different era, but the core dynamic remains the same. One white populist side embracing racism, the other, ignoring it. Minorities stuck in the middle.

Just say white populist - white nationalist is not a good term and you can't just redefine things because you want to.

Trump may well make 'populist' a word people instantly think is a pejorative, but thank you. I'm clearly struggling to keep my head above water here.

 

[JP_]

I really didn't mean it sensationally. I meant it in a globalism vs nationalism way. But whatever. My citations were just things that popped up when I googled Bernie Sander's nationalist

Nationalism is associated with xenophobia. The right talks about immigrants needing to assimilate etc. Sanders isn't afraid of immigrants changing American culture, he's thinking in terms of wages and employment.

(personally I'm partial to more open borders)

 

[kirblar]

Trump may well make 'populist' a word people instantly think is a pejorative.

Good. Populism is ass.

 

[pigeon]

You're acting like you're being innocent and pragmatic, but you're clearly attempting to be coy.

If you won't give people the benefit of the doubt when they're trying to explain themselves why are you even reading this thread

 

[Crocodile]

So what do we do in 2018 given we don't have a Presidential candidate?

Run against Trump

"See how shitty that guy is? Elect me so I can check him!"

 

[pigeon]

So what do we do in 2018 given we don't have a Presidential candidate?

Run against trump

It should be easier, they have nobody to run against at all

 

[213372bu]

If you won't give people the benefit of the doubt when they're trying to explain themselves why are you even reading this thread

Forgive me if I don't think somebody saying "I didn't call him a nationalist socialist, because you know, he is." or "I wasn't saying he was a 'white nationalist'. I was saying he was a 'white' 'nationalist'." is being earnest.

Honestly, forgive me.