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[Basileus777]

More evidence for my belief that Trump's strength is more about the complete unwillingness of the Republican establishment to hit him until last week than anything else. RCP just sent out a poll of which negative stories about Trump that Republicans voters have heard of:

None: 55%
The KKK story from yesterday: 27%
Trump University lawsuits: 20%
Donald Trump's hands: 17%
John Oliver monologue: 13%
Failure of Trump mortgage: 13%

Oh, if only Donald Trump hadn't lived a life a such virtue that no scandal could taint him, he may not be halfway to the Presidency.

That percentage for the John Oliver monologue is unbelievably high. Is this an internet poll?

 

[Roland_Gunner]

How in the world is Sanders raising that much money? That is really insane. I mean, hopefully he can fundraise for Hilldawg in the general. Good lawd.

I can see why he wouldn't want to raise money for Clinton, but Sanders' team should definitely use their network to support progressive candidates down ballot.

 

[Dan]

Trump made some inroads with African-American voters today:

VALDOSTA, Ga. — About 30 black students who were standing silently at the top of the bleachers at Donald Trump’s rally here Monday night were escorted out by Secret Service agents who said the presidential candidate had requested their removal before he began speaking.

The sight of the students, who were visibly upset, being led outside by law enforcement officials created a stir at a university that was a whites-only campus until 1963.

“We didn’t plan to do anything,” said a tearful Tahjila Davis, a 19-year-old mass media major, who was among the Valdosta State University students who was removed. “They said, 'This is Trump’s property; it’s a private event.' But I paid my tuition to be here.”

 

[royalan]

The only answer I've ever gotten when asking why Black Voters prefer Hillary over Bernie is some convoluted answer about how Bernie allegedly talks down to Minorities. The go to seems to be "Hillary speaks to the issues that Black Voters care about", and when asked what those issues are it's usually crickets.

I start to answer that question in this post (although there's a lot more I could have added):

I'm not letting Bernie get away with thinking that he tried to earn the black vote. That Black South Carolinians just didn't know Bernie and weren't willing to break their relationships with the Clintons.

He didn't try. He threw money at the demographic and hooked Killer Mike.

Say what you want about Hillary, but one of her FIRST stops at the beginning of her campaign was with a Black sorority, talking about Black women entrepreneurs and Black businesses. She's talked about Black community building. She's ALSO talked about racial injustice. She's talked about intersectionality. She WENT to Flint. She is one of the few prominent white politicians to openly say that white people need to listen when Black people speak.

Quite simply put: on every level, every conceivable metric, Hillary has had a more well-rounded approach to addressing the Black community. It's as though she actually cares about the community...or at least bothered to do her homework.

In comparison, Bernie didn't even TRY to make those kinds of connections. He never tried to address the positivity in black communities. He never attempted to broaden his message to appeal to black people. Whenever Black people come up, it's incarceration rates and welfare. Is that all Black people are to you, Bernie? Does that sum us up?

SC was probably never in the cards for him, but he could have done better than a 50 point loss. But he didn't, because he didn't even try. He instead fled to the whitest states in the union to try to keep his "revolution" alive on the backs of young white liberals.

This is also a good article: Why Hillary is Connecting with Black Voters--and Sanders Isnt

In Short: From the very beginning, Hillary treated the Black community as a proper constituency. Bernie treated us as a font of problems. You know, Bernie's for welfare...indeed.

 

[kingkitty]

Democrats
Alabama: Clinton
American Samoa: Clinton
Arkansas: Clinton
Colorado: Sanders
Georgia: Clinton
Massachusetts: Clinton
Minnesota: Sanders
Oklahoma: Clinton
Tennessee: Clinton
Texas: Clinton
Vermont: Sanders
Virginia: Clinton

Republicans
Alabama: Trump
Alaska: Trump
Arkansas: Trump
Georgia: Trump
Massachusetts: Trump
Minnesota: Trump
Oklahoma: Trump
Tennessee: Trump
Texas: Cruz
Vermont: Trump
Virginia: Trump

can't wait

 

[Slayven]

I start to answer that question in this post (although there's a lot more I could have added):



This is also a good article: Why Hillary is Connecting with Black Voters--and Sanders Isnt

In Short: From the very beginning, Hillary treated the Black community as a proper constituency. Bernie treated us as a font of problems. You know, Bernie's for welfare...indeed.

And talk shit when you don't put in the work. That is just petty, and not even the good kind.

 

[Macho Madness]

I definitely don't think we're getting a concession from Bernie any time soon then.

 

[Armaros]

I think the perfect example is back during the last townhall, a black woman asked Hillary a question about her hair not being acceptable in work places. Hillary then answered her question with nuance and details, citing systematic racism and the steps that need to combat it.

Really Hillary is a great speaker, she knows her shit and how to put it into a informing lecture.

But at the same townhall when asked about a race question, Bernie just went into the wall street speech again.

Someone on here put it best when they said to most minority voters Wall Street is like the giant that lives over the mountain, they know it is there but casts a tiny shadow on the things that worry them from day to day.

She also cultivates personal relationships and learnt stories about the community. It's a transfer of information and messages.

This stretches back decades not a month before a Primary.

Bernie looks like he is arriving to preach from a pulpit about how he knows their problems and community issues and their solutions without that communication.

Bernie thinking he can strip away that history with a few surrogates and his usual stump speeches truely shows he doesn't understand what minorities face.

 

[hawk2025]

If you guys don't understand it yet, you need to think about the immediacy of worrying about income inequality and Wall Street, versus worrying about actually being shot on the streets and being discriminated directly and indirectly at your workplace and in everyday life.

The disconnect widens the minute Bernie makes the two-steps-removed jump into other issues. In my personal experience, anyways. I don't assume to speak for others.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Democrats
Alabama: Clinton
American Samoa: Clinton
Arkansas: Clinton
Colorado: Sanders
Georgia: Clinton
Massachusetts: Clinton
Minnesota: Sanders
Oklahoma: Clinton
Tennessee: Clinton
Texas: Clinton
Vermont: Sanders
Virginia: Clinton

Republicans
Alabama: Trump
Alaska: Trump
Arkansas: Trump
Georgia: Trump
Massachusetts: Trump
Minnesota: Trump
Oklahoma: Trump
Tennessee: Trump
Texas: Cruz
Vermont: Trump
Virginia: Trump

can't wait

Can't wait for Rubio to barely win one of these states and give a victory speech like he's the man.

 

[Kyosaiga]

Her speech at Memphis on race should answer any questions of why black people trust Clinton probably more than any other politicians with the sole exception of Obama.

 

[Captain Pants]

Trump made some inroads with African-American voters today:

It's fucked up to me that the Secret Service would kick them out at his request. They should be there as security, not as hired goons.

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

One thing to remember is, if you don't get over 20% of the vote in the GOP primaries tomorrow (maybe not all the states) you don't get delegates from it? So for like Texas, Rubio won't get any there most likely?

 

[Ogrekiller]

If you guys don't understand it yet, you need to think about the immediacy of worrying about income inequality and Wall Street, versus worrying about actually being shot on the streets and being discriminated directly and indirectly at your workplace and in everyday life.

The disconnect widens the minute Bernie makes the two-steps-removed jump into other issues. In my personal experience, anyways. I don't assume to speak for others.

Except for minorities this IS the immediacy instead of some crooked hot shot in Manhattan?

 

[Y2Kev]

We really have to stop Rubio from winning a state.

 

[Randolph Freelander]

Tucker Carlson ‏@TuckerCarlson
Obama could have written this.

Mitt Romney @MittRomney
A disqualifying & disgusting response by @realDonaldTrump to the KKK. His coddling of repugnant bigotry is not in the character of America.

Laura Ingraham ‏@IngrahamAngle
Is this Mother Jones?

Mitt Romney @MittRomney
A disqualifying & disgusting response by @realDonaldTrump to the KKK. His coddling of repugnant bigotry is not in the character of America.

What is wrong with these people.

 

[hawk2025]

Except for minorities this IS the immediacy instead of some crooked hot shot in Manhattan?

That's exactly what I'm saying

 

[Makai]

We really have to stop Rubio from winning a state.

Come on. Give us a challenge!

 

[Officerrob]

Drumpf made some inroads with African-American voters today:

What the fuck is going on with Drumpf's Secret Service detail?

 

[Abinash117]

More evidence for my belief that Trump's strength is more about the complete unwillingness of the Republican establishment to hit him until last week than anything else. RCP just sent out a poll of which negative stories about Trump that Republicans voters have heard of:

None: 55%
The KKK story from yesterday: 27%
Trump University lawsuits: 20%
Donald Trump's hands: 17%
John Oliver monologue: 13%
Failure of Trump mortgage: 13%

Oh, if only Donald Trump hadn't lived a life a such virtue that no scandal could taint him, he may not be halfway to the Presidency.

From the start Trump said he will go 3rd party if they treat him "unfairly" and anyone that tried to go against Trump sucked at it and got assassinated. Many others didn't have good campaigns either.

A better campaign and some bravery would had made it sure he wouldn't have gotten far.

 

[Ogrekiller]

That's exactly what I'm saying

In that case you're right then.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/8b42f510-dee8-11e5-b072-006d8d362ba3.html#axzz41c91tmNy

Sir, My wife and I are affluent Americans with postgraduate degrees. We are socially liberal and fiscally mildly conservative. We are not the sans-culottes you see as the prototypical Trump voter. We are well aware of his vulgarity and nous deficiency yet we contemplate voting for him. Why?

Electing the standard-bearer of the Democratic Party seems purposeless. The neanderthal Republicans barely respected the legitimacy of Bill Clinton’s or Barack Obama’s election, let alone that of Hillary who would arrive tainted with scandal and the email lapses hanging over her head. We would get four years of gridlock and “hearings”. The Republican tribunes, Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, are backward, foolish and inexperienced. John Kasich, a moderate with extensive governmental experience and a willingness to compromise, is an also-ran. That leaves The Donald, really a moderate in wolf’s garb, who would owe nothing to either party and might strike deals, for instance on tax reform.

Yes, we could be like the good citizens who voted for a “tameable” Hitler in 1933 to get things back on track. But the alternatives look worse.

I can't cheer trump any more this shit is getting scary. He's also just kicking out black people randomly from his rallys

 

[Cerium]

What is wrong with these people.

I always knew that this was what the Republican party really was when you stripped away all the pretension. People wanted to act like it was just some small minority but no, the rot goes all the way to the core. That's why I put so much money on Trump so early.

 

[Kyosaiga]

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/8b42f510-dee8-11e5-b072-006d8d362ba3.html#axzz41c91tmNy

I...

I have no fucking words.

 

[johnsmith]

I love how every Sanders supporter is poor and/or a student

The Sanders campaign literally sent out an email blast where they quoted somebody who was unemployed and gave $10 of the last $27 dollars they had.

 

[royalan]

And talk shit when you don't put in the work. That is just petty, and not even the good kind.

Yep. His actions lately have seriously moved me from "Not getting my vote, but I like the guy" to realizing that Bernie Sanders is quite possibly incredibly selfish, dishonest, and not nearly as innocent to the shady aspects of campaign as I originally gave him credit for.

She also cultivates personal relationships and learnt stories about the community. It's a transfer of information and messages.

This stretches back decades not a month before a Primary.

Bernie looks like he is arriving to preach from a pulpit about how he knows their problems and community issues and their solutions without that communication.

Bernie thinking he can strip away that history with a few surrogates and his usual stump speeches truely shows he doesn't understand what minorities face.

I think this is the core problem for him. The democratic establishment isn't rejecting him by simple virtue of them being The Establishment, it's because he's done very little in his time in office to establish real relationships within the party. But now he wants their support.

Hillary said it in the last town hall: relationships are important.

 

[User1608]

I admire Bernie the man. He really tried despite many missteps and some gaffes as of late.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC_GDGkFZKA

Three part interview, this is the first part.

It goes downhill from Cenk's opening statement.

SMFH

They've lost a subscriber and viewer. Wtf. Some fucking liberals/progressives. WHY.

 

[BoboBrazil]

Next Bernie email will be him asking if anyone has anything they can take to a pawn shop and get money to donate.

 

[Cerium]

The Sanders campaign literally sent out an email blast where they quoted somebody who was unemployed and gave $10 of the last $27 dollars they had.

I'm on track to convert $30 in one single market on PredictIt into $200 by betting against Bernie, just saying.

At some point Bernie really should consider whether he's doing his followers any favors by taking their grocery money.

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

You know, while there are a subset of racial justice advocates who think that capitalism is anathema to fighting racism, I think that, if the Republican party DOES realign in the wake of the Trumpening, they could make decent inroads with African Americans over time (i.e. in the next 15-20 years, not in the next election or two) if they crafted a strong anti-systemic racism message, on the grounds that the free market does not function properly if there is not some degree of parity in purchasing and political power among those participating in it. They'd lose the South and suffer losses for several election cycles, but given changing demographics, it's a more sustainable long-term strategy that might see them be relevant again by, say, 2032 or so.

 

[hawk2025]

Yep. His actions lately have seriously moved me from "Not getting my vote, but I like the guy" to realizing that Bernie Sanders is quite possibly incredibly selfish, dishonest, and not nearly as innocent to the shady aspects of campaign as I originally gave him credit for.



I think this is the core problem for him. The democratic establishment isn't rejecting him by simple virtue of them being The Establishment, it's because he's done very little in his time in office to establish real relationships within the party. But now he wants their support.

Hillary said it in the last town hall: relationships are important.

I wouldn't go that far, not even close.

I just think that the anti-establishment, anti-Wall Street tunnel vision has robbed him of all nuance. Nothing is greater evidence of that in my view than throwing the dissenting opinions against the Friedman study under the bus by his campaign and during the last town hall.

That was a big warning sign for me regarding his ability to listen to experts that disagree with him in specifics, even though they agree in general (hell, the letter even said as much).

 

[hipsterpants]

It seems Bernie supporters are extremely... dedicated in their donations I guess. Which is cool but also a waste of money. There was some guy in one of the OT threads that said he emptied his savings account for him. I literally couldn't handle it, shut my laptop and went to do something else after reading that.

What is wrong with these people.

The GOP's eventual attempt to swerve in a different direction will be quite a rocky road, won't it?

 

[Cerium]

You know, while there are a subset of racial justice advocates who think that capitalism is anathema to fighting racism, I think that, if the Republican party DOES realign in the wake of the Trumpening, they could make decent inroads with African Americans over time (i.e. in the next 15-20 years, not in the next election or two) if they crafted a strong anti-systemic racism message, on the grounds that the free market does not function properly if there is not some degree of parity in purchasing and political power among those participating in it. They'd lose the South and suffer losses for several election cycles, but given changing demographics, it's a more sustainable long-term strategy that might see them be relevant again by, say, 2032 or so.

They need a reverse Bill Clinton to come along and triangulate things. Someone with the generational charisma necessary to sell a more left leaning platform.

You can hate on Bill for all the concessions he made to conservatism, but unless you were alive in that time you won't understand how grim the outlook was for Democrats and the White House.

 

[shinra-bansho]

I think if his campaign and supporters really can't see how Clinton as a candidate and campaign has been approaching, particularly Southern, black voters differently then that speaks to the problem in itself.

 

[Kyosaiga]

You know, while there are a subset of racial justice advocates who think that capitalism is anathema to fighting racism, I think that, if the Republican party DOES realign in the wake of the Trumpening, they could make decent inroads with African Americans over time (i.e. in the next 15-20 years, not in the next election or two) if they crafted a strong anti-systemic racism message, on the grounds that the free market does not function properly if there is not some degree of parity in purchasing and political power among those participating in it. They'd lose the South and suffer losses for several election cycles, but given changing demographics, it's a more sustainable long-term strategy that might see them be relevant again by, say, 2032 or so.

They'd have to do something to show that their genuine. Black people have been listening to dog whistles for 40 years.

 

[Tesseract]

gj sanders supporters, 42 million!

https://berniesanders.com/SuperMonday/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=post&utm_campaign=rd1602293

 

[Jarmel]

Yes, we could be like the good citizens who voted for a “tameable” Hitler in 1933 to get things back on track. But the alternatives look worse.

The alternatives are worse than electing a "tameable" Hitler?

 

[Owzers]

What is wrong with these people.

it might have something to do with Romney doing what Harry Reid did to him on taxes to Trump. The opposition did something to you so you then do the same thing to...your party's front-runner in an election you're not a part of.

 

[Basileus777]

They need a reverse Bill Clinton to come along and triangulate things. Someone with the generational charisma necessary to sell a more left leaning platform.

You can hate on Bill for all the concessions he made to conservatism, but unless you were alive in that time you won't understand how grim the outlook was for Democrats and the White House.

Neither the Republican base, its establishment, nor its donors are ready or willing to accept such a candidate. It's quite a bit different from the mood among Democrats in 1992 after decades of futility at the Presidential level.

 

[kingkitty]

gj sanders supporters, 42 million!

https://berniesanders.com/SuperMonday/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=post&utm_campaign=rd1602293

that money could have gone to Shenmue 3. what a waste.

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

They need a reverse Bill Clinton to come along and triangulate things. Someone with the generational charisma necessary to sell a more left leaning platform.

I think it's doable. Honestly, if Rand Paul were a better, smarter politician, he would run on a platform like that, because even if he is the precursor of a GOP moving eventually in a Libertarian direction as the century rolls on (because its current incarnation is obviously unsustainable), a GOP shift is meaningless if they don't make inroads with demographics their current platform turns off. They need to remove every last trace of the idea that minorities' bum lot in life is in any way their fault, because until they do, they won't stop being the party associated with racism.

 

[FiggyCal]

Yikes. You probably shouldn't gamble if you're that tight on cash.

May I ask which markets you put money in?

I have pretty equally spread out with 26 dollars:

Hillary Clinton yes for Colorado
Sanders no for Minnesota
Trump no for Minnesota

I'm down a lot to boot.

 

[blackaroni]

She also cultivates personal relationships and learnt stories about the community. It's a transfer of information and messages.

This stretches back decades not a month before a Primary.

Bernie looks like he is arriving to preach from a pulpit about how he knows their problems and community issues and their solutions without that communication.

Bernie thinking he can strip away that history with a few surrogates and his usual stump speeches truely shows he doesn't understand what minorities face.

That's one of the things that I really noticed during that last town hall. I know he's hearing people, but his responses didn't really seem like he's listening. It just seemed like most of his responses were "We have a problem..." followed by some statistic and most of the time lead back wall street. I know he cares, but he just needs to start doing better with how he projects his message.

 

[hawk2025]

I think if his campaign and supporters really can't see how Clinton as a candidate and campaign has been approaching, particularly Southern, black voters differently then that speaks to the problem in itself.

Precisely.

 

[Basileus777]

I think it's doable. Honestly, if Rand Paul were a better, smarter politician, he would run on a platform like that, because even if he is the precursor of a GOP moving eventually in a Libertarian direction as the century rolls on (because its current incarnation is obviously unsustainable), a GOP shift is meaningless if they don't make inroads with demographics their current platform turns off. They need to remove every last trace of the idea that minorities' bum lot in life is in any way their fault, because until they do, they won't stop being the party associated with racism.

You're really overselling the appeal of libertarian policies. Paul's extremist economics views are unpalatable in a national election. Even within the Republican base libertarians are a niche. You're not going to make inroads with minorities with libertarianism. You're essentially asking for Republicans to scrap their main draw (social policies) to focus on their most unappealing economic ones. It's not enough to support a national party.

 

[Cerium]

I have pretty equally spread out with 26 dollars:

Hillary Clinton yes for Colorado
Sanders no for Minnesota
Trump no for Minnesota

I'm down a lot to boot.

I don't know what prices you bought in at, but I think you have a good shot at the first two. I think Hillary will surprise with her dominance tomorrow.

 

[Retromelon]

gj sanders supporters, 42 million!

https://berniesanders.com/SuperMonday/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=post&utm_campaign=rd1602293

What are we gonna do tomorrow

The royalists rimming her highness will be at its apex.

 

[FiggyCal]

I don't know what prices you bought in at, but I think you have a good shot at the first two. I think Hillary will surprise with her dominance tomorrow.

I just know I can't sell any of them because they've devalued so much and I don't think they're horrible bets. I can sell the last one to break even right now though...

Idk if i want to though. I mean... a Trump no means either a Cruz or a Rubio win. Which is entirely possible.

 

[Paskil]

I wish I could get in on the election gambling business, but I worked at the polls during our recent primary and I plan to again in April. There's a question about gambling on elections and not being able to work. Ethics and all that jazz.

 

[Cerium]

I just know I can't sell any of them because they've devalued so much. I can sell the last one to break even right now though...

If you can get out of the last one, get out now. I think Trump is going to dominate across the board and it's going to be ugly.

Be patient and hold on to the first two. I think you'll come out ahead in the end.

There's nothing there that you should be beating yourself up over. If you want to play the PredictIt game you need to take emotion out of it and be clearheaded at all times.