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Veritigo_X
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Did Trump give any reason for dropping out of CPAC?
In amongst all the hilarity and car-crash awfulness of last night's debate, I missed the fact that Bob dole gave an interview where he said he would support Trump over Cruz, and that stopping Cruz should be the main focus of Republicans.
Christ their party really is at war with no good options apart from Kasich, a guy who is so far behind in almost every poll it's hard to see how he ends up on top - or even winning a state at this point.
Remember when we started this season and the Republicans were crowing about their incredibly deep bench?
Christ their party really is at war with no good options apart from Kasich, a guy who is so far behind in almost every poll it's hard to see how he ends up on top - or even winning a state at this point.
Remember when we started this season and the Republicans were crowing about their incredibly deep bench?
Elaugaufein
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I was going to say the headline is misleading (logs can't definitively prove lack of a breach almost nothing can retroactively) but they addess that in the first paragraph so typical headline I suppose. A good thing though.
Macho Madness
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An "incredibly deep bench" that couldn't beat a guy with no political experience.
Honestly though it says more about our media and the process more than one party's failings.
Honestly though it says more about our media and the process more than one party's failings.
Why would he do this? Seriously, what is the upside?
Also, I've been perusing the media this morning and it is really hard to overstate just how bad the media (including the conservative media) is tearing into the GOP today. Yesterday was an absolute shitstorm that seemed to convince many Republicans that none of their candidates are fit for the POTUS. To think we still have 5 months left in the primary...
I never said it was absolutely similar. I said that I acknowledge that the comparison being made is in regards to his "militant" supporters with GG.
My issue is with this comparison being made of fellow Democrats and with my personal experience with GG. It feels like a comparison of a boogeyman rather than one being made with experience in regards to GG itself. As someone dealing with GG, this feels like a "let's go for the worst current thing to be" argument. My issue is the comparison feels off-base since GG itself represents something vastly different. My issue is that GG is this formless entity that attacks and ruins the lives of person after person. I can't take a comparison to GG seriously unless it really really fits. Their existence isn't some light thing you can just toss out to describe something you don't like. They are far worse than that. They're a real threat as unfortunate as that is to say.
My issue is using a very real hate movement as a boogeyman when said hate movement is still acting to this day. My issue is in regards to demeaning fellow Democrats because it also continues to feel like a generalization in some regards. There have been Bernie supporters called militant for just preferring him to her in the past for goodness sake. So what are we quantifying as militant today? Are we quantifying militant as actually heinous things which have happened or are we quantifying it as "they're militant for not liking Hillary as much"? Seriously. Even in the case of the first the comparison feels entirely off-base because it's using a very real hate movement that was very very big and actively tried to ruin the lives of many to an extremely small subset of Bernie supporters that, as far as I'm aware, have no influence on ruining anyone. The comparison rings as those making it not being personally familiar with what GG stands for. It's way too simple and base a comparison.
Veritigo_X
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Dave Weigel's thinking on Trump skipping CPAC. Makes sense to me.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Kasich won the debate by saying that he will invade Syria, Iraq, and Libya at the same time.
Macho Madness
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I saw a few of my Republican family say on Facebook that they're just not going to vote because "all of these people are ridiculous and all they do is lie about Obama"
Obama Republicans?
Elaugaufein
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That's what I was going to say but yeah covers it well.
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
I love how often it's parroted (especially by Cruz and Rubio) that Obamacare is "the biggest jobkiller in history" even though there is literally zero legitimate evidence anywhere that supports that assertion.
TheLostBigBoss
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it's a brilliant strategy, a three prong offensive to completely surround the entire middle east at once!
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Obama's decency stands out after watching Trump and Cruz and Rubio 14.0.
Anyway, Mitch McConnell is probably making a huge mistake:
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/...urt-vacancy-could-expand-2016-senate-map.html
Veritigo_X
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QuiteWhittle
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Clinton and Gillibrand are both from New York. There's some complicated EC-related process that makes same state tickets unlikely.
If Clinton wants a female VP there's always: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Klobuchar
NihonTiger90
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Will be what it is renamed to by President Trump
Lmao its like that fake show from that netflix show love
Holy shiiiiiiiiiit.
That certainly bodes well for the Dems especially if Trump's the nominee and the GOP civil war continues. Let me just dream for a second of a Senate without McCain, Kirk, Johnson, Grassely, Johnson, Ayotte, Toomey, and Rubio. Dear God.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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I think "states where Hillary had a 30+ point lead heading into the state" would also show a pretty good correlation...
I'm hard. McCain is so vulnerable.
Elaugaufein
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Its not complicated exactly the electors can't vote for both president and vice president from their own state. For a big state like New York or a Swing State that runs the risk of not having enough votes to elect the VP (and possibly giving you the opposite party VP as a result).
How are McCain's primary prospects? Is he at risk of getting primaries or is he already in GE mode? The only way it could get any better is if McCain bolted ever further to the right.
I agree with this and it bums me right out. I don't blame Sanders for much, but I do blame him for legitimizing protectionism on the left. We're supposed to be the party of solutions for the future, not solutions for the 1800s.
That's fascinating -- I had no idea. What a strange little quirk in the EC.
Correct - technically the VP and Presidential nominee cannot be from the same state. The Dems actually tried to contest Cheney/Bush on this in 2000. Since Clinton was the Senator from NY - there's a non-zero chance they could actually hit her on this.
He's also vulnerable against Kelly Ward in the primary but so far she's weak and has had bad fundraising numbers.
been trying tor remember that dude's name for a week.
Ziltoidia 9
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The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Exactly
Ignatz Mouse
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Kirk isn't getting reelected regardless. He didn't win by a lot in 2010 and that was a GOP Wave year.
Elaugaufein
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So what is the solution to capital flight ? Which is the bedrock problem of redistributive programs to overcome the problems that free trade drops on the middle and lower classes ? Because the typical solution seems to be the least redistributive place which a) works for one country and b) rather limits the redistributive capability.
I mean I'm not amongst the super wealthy but I can't even talk to a financial advisor without them bringing up tax mitigation strategies (that usually inclide at least one thats legally grayish white).
Edit - On further thought probably not fair really. You just have to offer a business greater net profit than it would get elsewhere after including relocation costs but that's still a race to the bottom, its just a set of bottom points rather than a singular one.
Obama's approval rating staying positive as he joins Bill & Hill on the campaign trail, jobs reports continuing to be strong, the divided GOP nominating an electorally poisonous madman, the Senate GOP automatically obstructing any SCOTUS pick..
Talk about the perfect storm! (I hope conditions are this favorable in 8 months.)
People had to know the server even existed to look for it and hack it.
I'm sure whoever targeted it, if at all were basically script kiddies running scans.
Macho Madness
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Rubio is having a rally in my old hometown on Sunday. lol
I don't know too much about Duckworth, but I imagine she's going to roll in off of the Clinton votes.
Kirk was actually a somewhat decent Republican, the party doesn't seem to like him though. Probably since he doesn't tow the line on social issues.
You should go and cheer him up. Probably plenty of room left too. And no queuing either.
JesseEwiak
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Macho Madness
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I don't live there anymore but if he wants to win Idaho, it may not be a bad idea.
Elaugaufein
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At the time it wasn't a separate ballot either, each elector got two votes: winner was president , VP was runner up.
I've mentioned this before but that's also precisely what lead to the downfall of The Federalist party. And we're frankly seeing similarities with the Republican party today in regards to the dirtier details. They're tearing themselves apart in similar manners.
cartoon_soldier
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Skipping CPAC? Why?
Elaugaufein
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Because he'd get blindsided and bumrushed by every other candidate , their supporters and everyone the RNC could lay hand too.
Why would he give the RNC another chance to sink him? They're obviously going to try and take him down at CPAC, so why even go?
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