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PoliGAF 2016 |OT2| we love the poorly educated
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Ignatz Mouse
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It's a blue state. He needed to be moderate to get elected. But even that was only going to happen in a midterm. Duckworth is far more popular on top of that.
Kirk's only real appeal is to the fiscally conservative socially liberal Chicago suburbs --which to be fair, is a large percentage of the state population, but not enough to carry somebody in a Presidential year with the associated turnout.
As SpaceX's biggest fan, the RD-180 ban is a completely mixed bag. Don't get me wrong, I loath Senator Shelby for being the corporate sellout he is and ULA should have been either retooling for RD-180 production stateside (which they lied about being able to do for years) or actually producing an American engine years ago, but banning the RD-180 is a move that really isn't needed.
SpaceX has already won their battle with the DoD to compete for military launches and ULA is already partnering with Blue Origin on the BE-4 for the Vulcan rocket. Despite the inanity of purchasing Russian engines for US defense launches (seriously, wtf ULA), the Atlas V has a perfect record and is really only going to be used until the Vulcan comes online in a few years. While I emotionally agree with McCain's ban, it is fairly unnecessary now that SpaceX can compete.
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RustyNails
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Guys, fuck CPAC anyway. The more irrelevant that shit club becomes the better we all are off as a country.
BoboBrazil
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Isn't Rubio skipping cpac also?
Macho Madness
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Macho Madness
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There's an effort to get gerrymandering fixed in Illinois:
I mean yeah it matters less now with SpaceX's current standing but I've still got this feeling that ULA and their supporters are only going to push ahead with the vulcan (instead of maximizing profits and cronyism everywhere they can) if they're forced to or if they're afraid that they're going to be forced to.
I'd argue that forcing ULA to be afraid of an RD-180 ban instead of actually banning it would be the best scenario. Because yeah atlas has actually been really reliable (even though it's now getting expensive comparatively) and ULA might actually just flat out go under if they had to only rely on the D4 and that's not really what I want either even though I do somewhat hate ULA and what they stand for.
But in general I like politicians who poke at the pretty disgusting space industry circlejerk. The industry should be for pushing for progress in space exploration not just for revolving doors and jobs programs.
Box of Kittens
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The best part of that system is that it was only in place for four elections but blew up horribly twice since it was not designed for the concepts of running mates or political parties.
In 1796 it resulted in a president (Adams) and vice-president (Jefferson) from rival parties.
In 1800 it resulted in an electoral vote tie between Jefferson and Aaron Burr, throwing the election to the House of Representatives. It eventually worked out that Jefferson, who was supposed to be the presidential candidate, did become the president. However, there was an effort to elect Burr instead that resulting in the House having to vote 36 times.
cartoon_soldier
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It's not all about OH/FL.
Macho Madness
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CAIR did an exit poll in 6 Super Tuesday states to determine how Muslim Americans are voting.
Clinton 46
Sanders 25
Trump 11
The most important concern noted was Islamaphobia.
Clinton 46
Sanders 25
Trump 11
The most important concern noted was Islamaphobia.
There's Muslims voting for Trump? Is this real life?
Black Republican
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predictions for tommorow
March 5th
Trump wins : Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine
Cruz wins : Kansas
Sanders wins: Kansas, Nebraska
Clinton wins : Louisiana
March 5th
Trump wins : Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine
Cruz wins : Kansas
Sanders wins: Kansas, Nebraska
Clinton wins : Louisiana
Louis Farrakhan just said he liked him the other day.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
It's that same subset of "Fuck you I got mine" of some sort.
"I'm not like those other Muslims"
Or they have really odd priorities?
Depends on if you view capitalism as the future.
Box of Kittens
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I hope it succeeds. I don't care that in this particular case gerrymandering benefits Democrats. It's horrible and needs to be ended.
Trumpism is like a fire that they aren't equipped to fight on all fronts.
(Their hoses just can't get the job done.)
I know, I laughed about it, but still...
Macho Madness
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I agree. Gerrymandering is garbage no matter who it affects. Same with Voter ID.
Hey:
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Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Both Kentucky and Kansas are caucuses, and I really think the RNC somehow rigs it to where Trump loses both.
Third Strike
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I agree. Gerrymandering is garbage no matter who it affects. Same with Voter ID.
Hey:
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Surprised there isn't a Funko Obama.
Up until 9/11 and subsequent wars and general anti-Islam/Muslim image of the Republicans, Muslims voted in large #s for Republicans.
Socially conservative and many viewed them as more favorable on foreign policy issues which affected the nations many migrated from. My parents voted for Bush in 2000 primarily because of this.
Many well off Muslims also vote for Republicans for the same reason many do - poor are poor cause they are lazy and I got mine F U cut my taxes.
ugaboga232
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My parents don't hate trump because they assume he would never actually get his muslim ban in place and he would lower taxes but yea.
Hear hear.
I think newspace in general will ultimately help to break the constant revolving door between the Air Force and ULA/Boeing/Lockheed as SpaceX, Blue Origin, and other upstarts look to tap Air Force talent.
I definitely give McCain props for putting the fear of God in ULA with the RD-180 ban and actually start looking towards their long term future.
To be honest, this is basically the question of our time, and it's a very difficult one.
One important thing to note is that it's not just about capital flight. That happens to be the way it's manifesting right now because moving to Asia is a really cheap way to cut labor costs. But ultimately the cheapest way to do most low-skilled labor tasks is purely automated, and that can happen anywhere. Protectionist policies do nothing to protect against robots.
So I definitely understand the stress and fear of people who do work in those low-skill industries. But at the same time I just don't think it is correct to legitimize a counterproductive solution that is guaranteed to reduce living standards. The point of cutting labor costs is that it actually effectively increases the production of goods. Ultimately, we don't care about labor costs or wages, we care about wealth, and wealth is made up of goods, not money. Money is just the system we currently have for organizing the distribution of wealth. So the solution is not to fuck around with keeping labor costs high so that wages can stay high. It's to focus on fixing our distribution problem using social programs and enable people to spend their labor hours on things with a better return rather than worrying about subsistence.
Again, as I keep coming back to, what really frustrates me is that this is literally the situation socialism is designed to address. We are already beyond the point of having enough wealth to feed, clothe, and house every American for free. The reason we don't do that has nothing to do with production capacity or even logistics. It's purely a question of will and fear of the stranger. Socialism is the only way to break down that barrier. Going the exact opposite way and focusing on that fear to the point of promoting protectionist policies is basically destructive to socialist progress.
ugaboga232
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Agreed but one important note is that free trade is not ~free trade~ in how its sold especially in TPP (lots of weird not really free trade policies tucked in there). So that is one area of contention in that free trade is the way forward but is it worth some crappy policies bundled in? Kinda the problem with these huge bills that there is always some crap in there.
Aaron Strife
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Good news, everyone hates the Republicans.
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/...urt-vacancy-could-expand-2016-senate-map.html
Statewide approval ratings:
John McCain (AZ) - 26/63
Roy Blunt (MO) - 25/48
Richard Burr (NC) - 28/44
And Chuck Grassley brought down to earth to a 47/44 approval rating.
This Supreme Court thing is really hurting them I think. Fuck it, keep obstructing. Looking forward to having like 57 seats.
Also Obama hit 51 on Gallup today lol.
So basically you have a decently popular incumbent president stepping down over a good economy, the Democratic nominee is relatively nonobjectionable (even if people don't like her that much) whose election would be a milestone for women in America, a complete lunatic at the top of the GOP ballot with the possibility of a brokered convention/party split and the "establishment" Republicans acting like complete shitheads. I don't want to get too ahead of myself but how are Republicans supposed to pull this one off?
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/...urt-vacancy-could-expand-2016-senate-map.html
Statewide approval ratings:
John McCain (AZ) - 26/63
Roy Blunt (MO) - 25/48
Richard Burr (NC) - 28/44
And Chuck Grassley brought down to earth to a 47/44 approval rating.
This Supreme Court thing is really hurting them I think. Fuck it, keep obstructing. Looking forward to having like 57 seats.
Also Obama hit 51 on Gallup today lol.
So basically you have a decently popular incumbent president stepping down over a good economy, the Democratic nominee is relatively nonobjectionable (even if people don't like her that much) whose election would be a milestone for women in America, a complete lunatic at the top of the GOP ballot with the possibility of a brokered convention/party split and the "establishment" Republicans acting like complete shitheads. I don't want to get too ahead of myself but how are Republicans supposed to pull this one off?
To be honest, there's so much shit flying around about the TPP that I am not ready to comment on it right now. I need to read the whole thing and it's like 30 sections.
I believe that there are some shitty policies in there, but at the same time, like, (to pick one example) it's not our job to use free trade agreements to force labor laws on other countries. This colonial mindset needs to stop. If you want the Philippines to have a high standard of living I would probably start by going back in time and convincing Teddy not to fuck the place up for like 20 years, not by forcing their industries out of business using labor law requirements so that they have to buy their goods from us. So a certain amount of deference to other country's policies is probably inevitable.
I will try to have more topical responses at some point.
Liz Mair ‏@LizMair 13m13 minutes ago
...and his team probably figured that protesters would make an issue of it. Which, having a sense of what it is, would be correct.
Liz Mair ‏@LizMair 13m13 minutes ago
There's another reason Trump may be pulling out: There is likely to be a pretty bad story coming about him soon...
FUCK NO
OH NO
DIABLOS TIME
...and his team probably figured that protesters would make an issue of it. Which, having a sense of what it is, would be correct.
Liz Mair ‏@LizMair 13m13 minutes ago
There's another reason Trump may be pulling out: There is likely to be a pretty bad story coming about him soon...
FUCK NO
OH NO
DIABLOS TIME
ugaboga232
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To be fair if you don't force the labor laws, then you are actively inviting exploitation but yea the best solution is time travel sadly at this point. I don't know much about all of the TPP either but some of the pharma/medical stuff is worrisome. TBF both clinton and sanders are against it now so its probably not the best example of a free trade agreement.
Pigeon, when you say socialism, do you mean Scandinavian-style social democracy or socialism socialism? I've got to admit, it's pretty rare to hear someone who advocates for handing over control of the means of production to the working class (if that's what you're referring to) advocate for free trade outside of, I don't know, CCP defenders/Dengists or something.
Jesus.
Roland_Gunner
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Black Republican
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dont know why i laughed hard at this,ha
A Human Becoming
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Who here wants Carson to endorse Trump today and start stumping for him?
The best part is, things are just getting started.
GOP clown show death match going to continue to tear the party apart for the next 4 months.
Bernie gonna have to drop soon, united Dem campaign will pivot to general. No shortage of ad material airing all the time.
Every Republican senator is going to have to decide how much they support Trump. It's a lose/lose question ever single candidate will need to answer.
In the midst of this, republicans engage in the most public, transparent obstruction play yet. Congressional republican approvals are moving into shutdown territory.
JesseEwiak
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This is kind of a horrible thing if only Democrat's fix their gerrymandered maps and states like Ohio, Texas, North Carolina, and Michigan continue to be GOP gerrymanders.
I wouldn't be surprised if this is movement led by Rahm-style neoliberals and conservatives.
A Human Becoming
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Speaking of The Onion, never saw this before:
Macho Madness
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This might matter if anyone actually read the WSJ.
Trump can only win by pivoting away from his issues and focusing on his personality versus Clinton's
I don't agree that choosing not to impose our laws on other countries is inviting exploitation in those other countries. Part of not being the world's policeman is not being the world's regulatory agency either. But I understand your perspective.
I mean, the one is designed to lead to the other.
The reason the working class have to submit to the rentiers is that the lash of hunger keeps them from accumulating capital. As long as you spend most of your paycheck on food and shelter you'll never be able to go into business for yourself.
So take that away. Set up a guaranteed basic income, make sure everybody can afford food, clothing, and shelter no matter what, and then let the free market work itself out. If you can do better by owning your own means of production, you can save money and do exactly that. If you can't offer your employees a job that is worth doing without the coercion of threatening them with death if they don't stay employed, then you just won't be able to get employees.
But part of making that work is having really efficient production! We need to be willing to accept that people will want to spend some of their labor hours on leisure or otherwise low-added-value activities. That means we need to be able to generate all the value we need for subsistence basically automatically. Free trade should ideally play a big part of making that work.
Also, like, fundamentally, I think socialism is the most efficient market model, so why not have free trade? We'll just win.
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