NYCmetsfan
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And how is that working out? Nice to not have a functional government!
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PoliGAF 2016 |OT4| Tyler New Chief Exit Pollster at CNN
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I called this month's ago and was laughed at
I was right there with you dude.
Beat the GOP, no point in beating Dems since as long as the GOP controls the House nothing will get done.
Me too! But it hinges on a blowout in New York and winning Indiana, otherwise he'll need to rely on uncommitted delegates. If like 40-ish delegates weren't uncommitted from Pennsylvania, he'd go over the top. And I'm sure the Republican party of Pennsylvania will not allow many of those delegates to be pro-Trump.Can you get Trump to 1237?
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/can-you-get-trump-to-1237/
I could!!
And_Gignac
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And how is that working out? Nice to not have a functional government!
Not their fault the PSOE wants to get in bed with neocon yuppies.
So the difference between this and the tea party is?
That Tea Party is funded by the Koch brothers and other similar big money donors if you don't see the difference I don't know what else I need to say. Bernie has 2 million individual donors and if the Democratic party wants to truly challenge the system in terms of how and where money comes from they best start listening to this donor base as opposed to the big money donors.
NYCmetsfan
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And where in Europe are progressive policies expanding?
Me too! But it hinges on a blowout in New York and winning Indiana, otherwise he'll need to rely on uncommitted delegates.
Same. California is a bit of a wildcard.
Not their fault the PSOE wants to get in bed with neocon yuppies.
Congratulations! You're now the Tea Party of the left!
Macho Madness
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Lmao who called David Sirota being the first one to make a desperate Clinton connection to the Panama Papers
NYCmetsfan
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Parliamentary math how does it work?Not their fault the PSOE wants to get in bed with neocon yuppies.
That Tea Party is funded by the Koch brothers and other similar big money donors if you don't see the difference I don't know what else I need to say. Bernie has 2 million individual donors and if the Democratic party wants to truly challenge the system in terms of how and where money comes from they best start listening to this donor base as opposed to the big money donors.
If the only difference is the funding then there is no difference.
NYCmetsfan
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My god this Koch shit is so damn old. You can decry big money without resorting to people who have had little to know influence in the current raceThat Tea Party is funded by the Koch brothers and other similar big money donors if you don't see the difference I don't know what else I need to say. Bernie has 2 million individual donors and if the Democratic party wants to truly challenge the system in terms of how and where money comes from they best start listening to this donor base as opposed to the big money donors.
And never mind that.
Are those 2million people calling for the same policies? Are they going to disagree? What about the other 70 million voters?
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Dws is incompetent so I can't get upset about Bernie supporters actually focusing their rage on something good!
True, but it's likely for the wrong reason.
As Kos put it, saying DWS rigged the election in favor of Hillary, admits she is competent.
It's all about laying down the foundations for a clean sweep so that small donor base rallying around Bernie has a party to give their money to, while DWS is DNC chair most people would be skeptical about the Dems. Tim Canova's fundraising follows the same path as Bernie and he has utilized DWS as a focal point of his campaign.
Pheeeew.
NYCmetsfan
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As DNC chair. Not as a representativeDws is incompetent so I can't get upset about Bernie supporters actually focusing their rage on something good!
Macho Madness
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Yes I for one am fine with getting rid of Debbie "payday loans are good" Schultz
If the only difference is the funding then there is no difference.
There is no reason for us to discuss things in that case
NYCmetsfan
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We're discussing tactics and the ability to get progressive policy. Both the tea party and sanderistas are actively hurting their sides ability to get desired policiesThere is no reason for us to discuss things in that case
How they fund doesn't change the fact that both are ineffective. And the Koch funding doesn't get Cantor primaries and a speaker kicked out.
Bernies people really seem to miss why people vote Republican and that it's not stupid people tricked always. I mean Bernie himself said that "without the media the GOP would only get 5 to 10 % of the vote"
Guess what. People disagree with you. They have reasons. There isn't a majority of people who all agree and just need a revolution.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
We're discussing tactics and the ability to get progressive policy. Both the tea party and sanderistas are actively hurting their sides ability to get desired policies
This seems to be the primary difference between this primary and the 2008 primary.
gutter_trash
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when you say progressive, do you mean lefty-left?And where in Europe are progressive policies expanding?
because Portugal's legislature veered the most left it's been since the Carnation Revolution.
the former ruling Center-Right coalition lost their majority while the establishment Socialist made a coalition with the Left-Block party and the Commie Party to obtain a majority in the legislature.
Commies, freakin's Commies in the legislature
QuiteWhittle
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Unlike Cantor, DWS is AFAIK well-connected and active in her community. She's not going anywhere.
And_Gignac
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Is kind of offensive to compare The Anti-LGBT, Racist, Anti-Women, Anti-Science Party to whatever movement surges from Bernies primary success.
Theres really no other way to give legislative relevance to your movement, since the US political system is structurally unable to live outside bipartidism. So of course any ideologically different movement has to come from within the party.
Theres really no other way to give legislative relevance to your movement, since the US political system is structurally unable to live outside bipartidism. So of course any ideologically different movement has to come from within the party.
Butts-a-plenty
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Is kind of offensive to compare The Anti-LGBT, Racist, Anti-Women, Anti-Science Party to whatever movement surges from Bernies primary success.
Theres really no other way to give legislative relevance to your movement, since the US political system is structurally unable to live outside bipartidism. So of course any ideological different movement has to come from within the party.
You're statement is false because this "way" is also not a way to get legislative relevance to your movement. All it does is actively hurt the prospect of a legislative agenda relevant to your movement.
Is kind of offensive to compare The Anti-LGBT, Racist, Anti-Women, Anti-Science Party to whatever movement surges from Bernies primary success.
Theres really no other way to give legislative relevance to your movement, since the US political system is structurally unable to live outside bipartidism. So of course any ideological different movement has to come from within the party.
You want to primary solidly liberal Democrats because they didn't support your candidate of choice in the primary. It's not offensive. It's the same basic principle. I'm sorry you can't see it.
Is kind of offensive to compare The Anti-LGBT, Racist, Anti-Women, Anti-Science Party to whatever movement surges from Bernies primary success.
Theres really no other way to give legislative relevance to your movement, since the US political system is structurally unable to live outside bipartidism. So of course any ideological different movement has to come from within the party.
Come on, we both know you knew exactly what I meant. You're better than this.
gutter_trash
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Is kind of offensive to compare The Anti-LGBT, Racist, Anti-Women, Anti-Science Party to whatever movement surges from Bernies primary success.
Theres really no other way to give legislative relevance to your movement, since the US political system is structurally unable to live outside bipartidism. So of course any ideologically different movement has to come from within the party.
they both are attacking Hillary Clinton the same way (BENGHAZI!!), so they are both doing the other's bidding
NYCmetsfan
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Many Americans disagree with you and they have every right to vote. If your going to object to comparisons because ypur moral superiority that's fine. But be prepared to lose when people disagree and are turned off.Is kind of offensive to compare The Anti-LGBT, Racist, Anti-Women, Anti-Science Party to whatever movement surges from Bernies primary success.
Theres really no other way to give legislative relevance to your movement, since the US political system is structurally unable to live outside bipartidism. So of course any ideologically different movement has to come from within the party.
they both are attacking Hillary Clinton the same way (BENGHAZI!!), so they are both doing the other's bidding
I'd like to see Cruz try and attack Hillary on her Wall St ties and speeches.
I'd like to see Cruz try and attack her on her environmental policies.
I'd like to see Cruz try and attack her for being a warhawk.
I'd like to see Cruz try and attack her for her husbands financial deregulation.
I'd like to see Cruz try and attack her for her negative campaign.
But unless I'm in a parallel universe where Cruz is a lovely democrat with progressive views that won't happen(BENGHAZI!)
theprodigy
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If DWS' seat was in a close district I might be kind of annoyed, but apparently her seat has a Cook PVI of D+11 so I can't be bothered to care.
NYCmetsfan
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You are aware not all Americans view things they way you do and might support cruzs positionsI'd like to see Cruz try and attack Hillary on her Wall St ties and speeches.
I'd like to see Cruz try and attack her on her environmental policies.
I'd like to see Cruz try and attack her for being a warhawk.
I'd like to see Cruz try and attack her for her husbands financial deregulation.
I'd like to see Cruz try and attack her for her negative campaign.
But unless I'm in a parallel universe where Cruz is a lovely democrat with progressive views that won't happen(BENGHAZI!)
And_Gignac
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People who are willing to contribute to candidates like Canova and some others dont feel like their interests are being represented by the current post-Bill Clinton consensus of the Democratic Party. They have a right to feel represented.
I just think that comparing both movements creates unnecessary antagonism.
Come on, we both know you knew exactly what I meant. You're better than this.
I just think that comparing both movements creates unnecessary antagonism.
IF DWS' seat was a close district I might be kind of annoyed, but apparently her seat has a Cook PVI of D+11 so I can't be bothered to care.
IF DWS was a moderate, then I'd care less. But she's not. She's incompetent as a party leader, but that's not an elected position.
Who are we taking out next? Nancy Pelosi? Debbie Stabenow? Al Franken? Sherrod Brown? John Lewis?
Yet we're totes okay with moderate Tulsi Gabbard because she backed Bernie even though she'd be a perfect person to primary!
People who are willing to contribute to candidates like Mourdock and some others dont feel like their interests are being represented by the current post-George W. Bush consensus of the Republican Party. They have a right to feel represented.
Fixed this for you!
You are aware not all Americans view things they way you do and might support cruzs positions
I was replying to someone who implied that the Sanders line of attack would be used in a GE which is hilarious.
eBay Huckster
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both movements might have drastically different motivations behind them, but both movements have the same end result. the only saving grace here is that the seat is D+11
shinra-bansho
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The extreme left is also anti-science and empiricism when it suits. So they have that in common at least.
NYCmetsfan
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I'd love to see how much is coming from people living in the district vs. People living States away.People who are willing to contribute to candidates like Canova and some others dont feel like their interests are being represented by the current post-Bill Clinton consensus of the Democratic Party. They have a right to feel represented.
I just think that comparing both movements creates unnecessary antagonism.
I'm pretty sure South Florida is pretty happy with dws considering she's been an elected representative there since 93
both movements might have drastically different motivations behind them, but both movements have the same end result. the only saving grace here is that the seat is D+11
Alright. Then I wanna primary Tulsi Gabbard with someone actually liberal. You with me, Melkr?
Macho Madness
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Yeah an islamaphobic representative being a Bernie surrogate isn't goodAlright. Then I wanna primary Tulsi Gabbard with someone actually liberal. You with me, Melkr?
The extreme left is also anti-science and empiricism when it suits. So they have that in common at least.
The Indian Point thing just makes no sense given her history on the issue. I just feel like the Sanders campaign came into the state with no idea as to what issues are currently at play and where Clinton stands on those issues. I mean, is it so hard to do a Google search?
Alright. Then I wanna primary Tulsi Gabbard with someone actually liberal. You with me, Melkr?
Sanders progressives rallying around Tomato Gabbard (spell check error, but I'm keeping it) while throwing Elizabeth Warren under the bus will be one of the strangest developments this primary season to me. At least on the Dem side.
The Indian Point thing just makes no sense given her history on the issue. I just feel like the Sanders campaign came into the state with no idea as to what issues are currently at play and where Clinton stands on those issues. I mean, is it so hard to do a Google search?
there internal data is telling them they are down by 30(I guess). Throw everything on the wall and see what sticks.
there internal data is telling them they are down by 30(I guess). Throw everything on the wall and see what sticks.
I was just guessing at that, we don't know for sure. And I would think playing to the big issues in the state would be a better bet. Police brutality, the minimum wage increase in the next budget, public schools vs charter schools; those would all be better issues since that's where the electorate has been for the last few years.
Sanders progressives rallying around Tomato Gabbard (spell check error, but I'm keeping it) while throwing Elizabeth Warren under the bus will be one of the strangest developments this primary season to me. At least on the Dem side.
Supporting Bernie is the only metric that matters.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Yeah an islamaphobic representative being a Bernie surrogate isn't good
Must not be on the purity test.
Aaron Strife
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gonna make a wacky prediction as GAF's official pundit that Clinton wins Wisconsin
Orbis Tabula
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I think the least you guys could do is refer to me using the term "Sea Manky, Lord of Lords, Slayer of Demons, Taker of Bases, Devourer of Fried Chicken, Who Alone Stands Between Y2Kev and his Tax Cut" instead of divisive petty stuff like, "Sea Manky" or "Manky". But I expect that I'll continue to be persecuted by the PoliGAF hivemind.
Sigh. Maybe I'm being too sensitive about this after all. Maybe BernieBro isn't really a thing worth arguing about. I just see it as a spectrum. On one end is "You must call someone by whatever ridiculous list of titles they want you to" and on the other is "Don't call people things that they feel insulted by." I guess we just disagree on where BernieBro lands.
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