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PoliGAF 2016 |OT4| Tyler New Chief Exit Pollster at CNN
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my fever induced nightmare was that condi rice got drafted at the convention and she beat clinton. ive never wanted to wake up so badly before
Daniel B·;200510140 said:Good to see Kyle, the forthright, young host of the Secular Talk YT channel (308K subs, 158M video views), is knocking down Hillary camp's BS talking points, with gusto:
Hillary Invokes The Sandy Hook Mass Shooting To Attack Bernie
As Kyle was saying, if your stance is that you should be able to sue gun manufacturers and dealers, for selling a legal product, what you are effectively doing is arguing for an outright ban on gun sales in America, which is a perfectly reasonable position, even if totally "pie in the sky" (outlaw hunting, home protection, in the U.S of A? Good luck with that!), and it should be stated as such, and not used indirectly as squalid line of attack, involving the grieving victims of Sandy Hook, against Bernie's perfectly reasonable position on the issue.
Here's what I had to say on the subject; an unused section of my un-published flyer (in hind-site, the flyer would have been over doing it, and our volunteer office was already doing enough to win our town / county, in Virginia):
Hillary Clinton Has A New Anti-Bernie Attack Ad
Yeah, running an ad that defends the big banks is a great move. The Hillary camp must know when their BS has exceeded capacity, when even the New York Times comes out in Bernie's defense, and it turns out Bernie even introduced a bill on the very subject: Yes, Bernie Sanders Knows Something About Breaking Up Banks
Er you do realize Sanders wanted to repeal the law back in January after meeting with the boy in the case I mentioned in my previous post he seems to have moved away from that position now if his NYDN interview was anything to go by.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-guns_us_56aa5716e4b001648922a308
Fenderputty
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Thank you for this. I was curious if the changes were due to driver negligence or manufacturer faults or a combination of both.
See kmags post just about yours. In addition to his post, they would be more willing to accept legislation that restricts use. Like closing gun show loops holes and requiring mental health screening.
darkside31337
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The idea that super delegates are going to vote by who had more popular votes... is sketchy given that 2008 happened.
There are going to be some super delegates who will look at whoever is winning recently discounting the older results... for various reasons and there will be plenty who will tell Bernie to go to hell because he's not a Democrat and hes looking at party elites for support.
I'm in agreement with you here. Stricter rules and regulations are needed for sure, and those probably won't happen without lawsuits and legal precedents set by them
Macho Madness
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He's basically saying in much nicer terms that Bernie's strategy of overturning the pledged delegate leader is stupid
Wat
He's saying Bernie is not going to flip super delegates based on pop vote and that Bernie is going to lose pop vote anyway
Fuck caucuses
The breakdown provided:
Will of the people*
*Not really though if we go by raw votes, but you know...
It amuses me to no end that this has become the unofficial slogan of this thread.
darkside31337
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If Bernie somehow wins NY and then wins California by the huge margin he needed, Superdelegates aren't going to look at the total popular vote, they're going to buy into "momentum" - that Hillary's best days are behind her and Bernie is a more viable candidate in a general election.
There will be some who will never vote for Bernie regardless but the idea that anyone in the Hillary campaign is going to bank on superdelegates after 08 doesn't seem like a very sound strategy.
That said I don't think any of this matters.
Um, wait for it. Dane County judges routinely invalidate things done by this administration and legislature. The appeals court or state Supremes will right the right.
Macho Madness
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Apparently Bernie didn't realize he got invited to some conference thing at the Vatican and not a meeting with the pope.
Macho Madness
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Also yes for the record Hillary explicitly said Bernie was qualified today.
Yay for 2 days of absolutely nothing.
Yay for 2 days of absolutely nothing.
Ignatz Mouse
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I knew what that was without clicking...And then we got to witness marvels like the first full 3D polygon third person jumping game with full analog stick control and user controllable camera angles.No, it's not dum Mario, kids.
I registered Democrat when I realized that the GOP was never coming back. Mid 00s.
RustyNails
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Im bored. Any ha goodman articles recently?
Fenderputty
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Wisconsin dodging self elected bullets.
The only situation where the Superdelegates would vote for someone who didn't win the most pledged delegates and had a greater share of the popular vote is if that candidate started wearing their underwear on the outside and talking about the nazi moon bace stealing out precious bodily fluids right before the convention happened.
Pretty much.
Pretty much.
Box of Kittens
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Yeah, this will eventually make its way up to the Supreme Court, where the 5-2 conservative majority will uphold the law.
RastaMentality
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So if Donald Trump was in the democratic convention?
Cesare Borgia
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Shouldn't Sanders meet with the Archbishop of Canterbury instead of seeking favor with the Vatican establishment?
Nazgul_Hunter
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Daniel B·;200510140 said:
Saying Sanders doesn't have a concrete plan for breaking up the banks and defending big banks are so completely different that I don't even know how to argue against you.
Macho Madness
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Depends on the state.
Missouri got some play over the past 24 hours. If they're pledged, they have to vote however the primary played out. But some states have uncommitted delegates that are selected through other means. It's basically a complicated crapshoot.
lastflowers
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*sigh*
The psycho behind the sandy hook killings which utilized an instrument manufactured by a company.
It is not the same person who deliberately made broken financial instruments and then sold it to people/groups/businesses around the world which essentially knew nothing about the products they were buying because it was deliberately comprised by these financial institutions to obfuscate what lay within. They relied on the financial ratings agency's ratings. This system was beholden to the bank instead of the people.
They took advantage of the contemporary regulatory ratings guidelines on a vastly complex instrument to build packages that would rate as AAA despite being full of shit so that they could sell them to institutions that only take AAA investments. Often these are funds that take over Pensions and/or people's retirement accounts. Fun times telling people to put money in their 401k.
It's immensely shitty behavior by an industry that is known for its consistent fraudulent activity, and which shifted immediately to High Frequency Trading post-crash...which I think is just another bundle of fun. I'm planning on doing some more deep reading on the Crash and HFT in the near future, but what I've read thus far is only disturbing.
You can blame incompetence on the money managers for not reading what lay exactly within these complex financial instruments, or lay the blame at the financial regulators. You can say maybe we couldn't do anything legally, but I call it too much fear that we'd make our economy too unstable. Essentially, I think Obama was stuck between a rock and a hard place. But I think there needs to be much more public education and discussions around these topics.
But I can and damn well will put the vast majority of the blame on these financial institutions who made it as hard as possible for anyone to analyze what lay within the financial instruments, who encouraged subprime growth, and who also benefitted widely after the mortgage crisis through big bonuses and payouts. And I damn well will blame the current administration, the previous administration, Greenspan, et al for essentially giving everyone a big 'pass'.
For the record, I'd rather us ban all guns in this country--but that's an opinion I know no one cares about.
Who introduced the bill that made gun manufacturer special that Sanders voted for?
Or maybe if you wanted people to engage your points you would make them clearer.
When someone posted the Krugman article or NYDM interview we got a summary to get the gist of it for the guys who couldn't access the source site.
If you're too lazy to discuss a point don't even bother, it serves no purpose and is as annoying as a GGer posting a Sarkon of Akkad vid saying "makes you think huh?".
Or maybe if you wanted people to engage your points you would make them clearer.
When someone posted the Krugman article or NYDM interview we got a summary to get the gist of it for the guys who couldn't access the source site.
If you're too lazy to discuss a point don't even bother, it serves no purpose and is as annoying as a GGer posting a Sarkon of Akkad vid saying "makes you think huh?".
Dollars to donuts, it's still an argument on the level of accountability of the upstream seller to the downstream buyer.
Neither deserves special protection because of the nature of their business. Be it money or killing machines.
And if one does, they all do. You took a stand on that post that I didn't even disagree with!
And_Gignac
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511683058#post1
Missouri flipped in favour of Sanders, it seems?
*that* gif has been DENIED. Sad!
Missouri flipped in favour of Sanders, it seems?
*that* gif has been DENIED. Sad!
I mean, it's still true. More people in Missouri voted for Hillary than Bernie. If you'd like to celebrate the stealing of delegates, be my guest!
Macho Madness
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They didn't steal any delegates. At the national convention, they're required to vote how the state voted. Missouri's delegates are bound to the primary results.
Even better!
Macho Madness
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So essentially they can have as many "Bernie" delegates as they want show up but they don't count more.
And_Gignac
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I was just reading about that. Super Sad!
excelsiorlef
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Yes super sad that the will of the people can't be overridden
lastflowers
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I think there is a fundamental difference in the complexity, to the extent that the analogy is completely bunk. That reducing either case so completely is doing a disservice to both.
Fully will admit to being wrong, though, as I honestly don't know much about the gun bill and its legislation.
Butts-a-plenty
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But the complexity only further highlights the point:
Both should be accountable to at least the possibility of legal action of all kinds!
What I'm saying is that the same type of disingenuous "kitchen knife" argument made to defend the PLCAA can be made to defend the finance industry and how it dealt (and deals) with derivatives. I don't want either argument to be valid -- I want the courts to deal with it if the people so choose to pursue legal action, with no special protections for any industry due to the nature of their business.
Bernie didn't win Missouri, delegates are bound by CD votes.
I will just try to present the facts as simple as possible: here are the rules published by the Missouri Democratic party on Feb 2, 6:41 AM They were published on this site.
Chapter 3, Section 2, 'Selection of Delegates', subsection K, paragraph III, states that: " delegates shall be allocated according to the congressional district primary vote"
Section 3 then elaborates on the maths, but in plain words it says that delegates should be allocated according popular vote in CD (minus any vote for a candidate that didn't met the 15% threshold)
According to Chapter 3, Section A-1, 'Selection of Delegates', the April 7 mass meetings are only to decide WHO the delegates will be for each candidate on a tiered election process. IT DOES NOT DEFINE the allocation number for each candidate. They do have rules for how many delegate in total are allocated according to past elections results and other criteria (that are not important for this subject). Not sure if this helps.
TL/DR : Delegates were always to be allocated according to Congressional District. This were the rules published back in February. I think some Bernie supporters misunderstood the rules (as they also misunderstood the rules in Nevada when they think that all delegates are unbound when there are only 12 at large and PLEOS left to to be allocated at the Nevada State Convention). Anybody is free and go to check the rules by themselves.
I will just try to present the facts as simple as possible: here are the rules published by the Missouri Democratic party on Feb 2, 6:41 AM They were published on this site.
Chapter 3, Section 2, 'Selection of Delegates', subsection K, paragraph III, states that: " delegates shall be allocated according to the congressional district primary vote"
Section 3 then elaborates on the maths, but in plain words it says that delegates should be allocated according popular vote in CD (minus any vote for a candidate that didn't met the 15% threshold)
According to Chapter 3, Section A-1, 'Selection of Delegates', the April 7 mass meetings are only to decide WHO the delegates will be for each candidate on a tiered election process. IT DOES NOT DEFINE the allocation number for each candidate. They do have rules for how many delegate in total are allocated according to past elections results and other criteria (that are not important for this subject). Not sure if this helps.
TL/DR : Delegates were always to be allocated according to Congressional District. This were the rules published back in February. I think some Bernie supporters misunderstood the rules (as they also misunderstood the rules in Nevada when they think that all delegates are unbound when there are only 12 at large and PLEOS left to to be allocated at the Nevada State Convention). Anybody is free and go to check the rules by themselves.
And_Gignac
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I never said I liked this situation. I was mostly joking about the 5/5 WINS gif.
I am a staunchly loyal heathen.
I gotta be honest, I think I'd rather have her than any of the current GOP crop. :X
The basic problem here is that the law gives gun manufacturers special protection that no other industry is allowed to have. There's no reason for it, and it prevents the usual process of motivating industries to make their products safer. It's pretty much a perfect example of a corrupted special interest law.
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