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This is very disappointing.
Aaron Strife
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I mean, I wasn't happy about Pryor, Landrieu etc. losing. But the way I see it, the next time there's a Democratic majority in the Senate, it'll be however many less blue dog Democrats making up that majority. Only looking for upside here.
Codex Gigas
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She would, and she's right. It's just wishful thinking.
That's the best-sounding of the many reasons that she didn't run for President. Spending a lot of time and money to only be beaten by Clinton was likely a big piece of why she didn't run, and that wouldn't keep her from accepting a VP nomination. I still don't think she'll be the pick, but she'd take it if it were offered.
Codex Gigas
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Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
I like Warren a lot, but you can count me among the folks who would rather not see her as VP. It almost seems like it would be a waste of her. She should stay in an actual lawmaking position and is incredibly valuable in the senate. I also have the nasty feeling that there are at least some amount of people who would vote for Hillary but would somehow be less comfortable voting for a two-woman ticket.
Unrelated, after three years of relatively pristine condition my car got hit during lunch today in a parking lot by a dude who was backing out of his spot and not looking behind him. I'm pretty bummed about. This is somehow Hillary's fault. My car is Benghazi.
Unrelated, after three years of relatively pristine condition my car got hit during lunch today in a parking lot by a dude who was backing out of his spot and not looking behind him. I'm pretty bummed about. This is somehow Hillary's fault. My car is Benghazi.
Wait so Trump says judge is biased because he is Mexican, a few days later Ryan "endorses" him saying he will vote for him (not an endorsement IMO soft endorsement?) already knowing he said this garbage, then the next day turns around a blasts him for the thing he had to have known about before he endorsed?
lmao
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She's way better off there. She can get more done and lob way harsher bombs at Trump from the Senate than she can in the WH or VP's mansion.
The endorsement and judge statements happened almost simultaneously IIRC.
My response wasn't regarding a VP pick, it was regarding the decision to run for president. No, a single senator does not have greater influence than the President of the United States.
If it makes you feel any better, my car got hit 2 months after I got it, putting a big dent in the hood. By Hillary.
Just my opinion. Clinton has a good chance at winning, so Warren's next chance to run would probably be 2024, so if she has any desire to run nationally this would be the time (and would set up a 2020 run if Clinton loses or 2024 if she wins). She'd also be a part of history in a big way, first female POTUS and VPOTUS on the same ticket. Outside of true, potentially undisclosed, personal reasons I don't see any prominent Democrat turning Clinton down if offered the VP slot.
hammysaurusrex
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I think Warren would certainly bring over a lot, though obviously it's not going to convert the True Believes - there was a thread on r/S4P a few days ago discussing how "we never really liked her anyway"
I would be legit angry at Clinton if she picked Sanders as VP. No thank you!
Yes, at least when used in a dismissive sense which what I assume you mean. Especially since White Nationalism, the "fuel" for the current (and by current I mean long before Trump) GOP, is "identity politics" to a T.
I strongly agree with this. Not saying Warren would take the position but things change when shit stops being hypothetical.
I hope Ryan gets dragged for this endorsement for the rest of his life. The potential of enacting your budget is not worth a loon like Trump being the face of the entire country. Man has no morals.
Aaron Strife
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Yeah, but they'll never come over.
When Bernie endorses Hillary (even if it's not a very spirited endorsement) you're going to see some people on the fringe left like "I always knew he was a corporate sellout just like the rest"
As soon as you ally yourself with the Clintons you're tainted.
balladofwindfishes
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Nothing will convert them.
They aren't regular voters and will just go back to not voting (but whining all the time), like they previously had. If they were even ever going to vote at all this year even if Sanders was the candidate. Not worth the effort to try and appeal to them, as it's futile and pointless.
I wonder when they'll actually announce the VP. Obama announced his pick on August 23rd, just before the Democratic National Convention. If Hillary follows the same precedent, that would July 23rd since the convention is a month earlier this time. An added advantage would be that the Republican convention is first this time around, so they would know who Trump picked already.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Bernie's Communist supporters make up like a quarter of one percent of the general voting public and around 1% of Bernie supporters. The true believers are not a relevant political group.
User 463088
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That Hillary video is yasssssss.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Red State, The Blaze, and the National Review endorsing Hillary while The Intercept, Salon.com, and Jacobin endorse Trump is going to be super interesting though.
That would be fucking hilarious.
No. There are some "brocialists" who unfortunately use it that way because they're white workers who are only focused on their pet issue (see: leftypol) but the frustration that many leftists have with "identity politics" isn't the focus on gender or race issues itself, which socialists have always been heavily involved with, but the specific way that they see the Democratic party as having abandoned the labor movement in favor of other movements. Most leftists already believe in intersectionality by default but feel like the Democrats flipped away from one thing (labor politics) to another ("identity politics") when trying to seek out a different voting coalition following Reagan's takeover of the white working class without doing what would have been the preferable option of synthesizing the two. In other words, leftists see labor politics (whether social democracy or socialism) as an integral part of the solution to issues of race, gender, etc. as well as class and see the Democrats as becoming more socially liberal but not providing the proper economic solutions to address the issues that they are otherwise thankfully beginning to take into account. It's "let's try to make things better within capitalism" rather than "let's try to replace capitalism, which we believe is a prerequisite for solving these problems".
Obviously many people on PoliGAF will not have a problem with that. But leftists will.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Convicted rapist gets six months in jail because other than violently raping women, he has no criminal record and gosh darn it, he's got too bright of a future to ruin his life (like he ruined the life of the women he raped).
http://boingboing.net/2016/06/03/campus-rapist-given-lenient-se.html
This is because people hate women.
http://boingboing.net/2016/06/03/campus-rapist-given-lenient-se.html
This is because people hate women.
Codex Gigas
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Will The Blaze make it long enough to endorse either candidate?
White males upset that social issues are getting prioritized over economic ones? Of course they are, because when given the choice, they never vote along the social ones.
You've made a very weak case for the "no". If anything, you reinforced my priors.
Democrats did not take that path you described as leftist for a good reason: they largely realized, correctly, that redistribution and increased baseline social welfare is the right path, rather than forced reorganization of the means of production and institutions.
That doesn't mean giving up on labor, it means having a better approach on how to achieve said goals, and also understanding the unique struggles of different parts of the coalition.
Yes. "When". You don't seriously think Bernie won't endorse?
That's not an unreasonable outlook given his behavior.
Maybe technically, but it's going to be so fucking tepid. Just like his condemnation of chaos in Nevada was 95% bitching about fraud and the corrupt DNC, any Hillary endorsement will be nearly an afterthought. It'll be stressing that his supporters should continue to be involved and should insert themselves into the process for future revolutions, and Trump is evil. Also, vote Hillary, I guess.
He's more than welcome to prove me wrong.
This is why I said that "many people on PoliGAF will not have a problem with that" because many people on PoliGAF are capitalists and don't believe that socialism is necessary or good.
So...that's kind of just providing an example of what I said.
Most leftists are, as I said, already believers in intersectionality. They just believe that socialism is as necessary to intersectionality as anti-racism or feminism and hence they are not fans of a party focusing on one element but not what they see as another important element. I, for one, have tried to learn a lot from the failure of the Sanders campaign and its narrow minded focus on economics-above-all-else approach; griping about "identity politics" isn't something that I like to do because I see it as counter-productive and bad for building coalitions when what we need to be doing is listening to exploited and oppressed communities and trying to figure out a strategy for bringing about a socialism that addresses their concerns and that they can believe in. I'm not going to pretend that I can speak for all other socialists in that regard or know what interpretations they're taking from this election. But I've spoken with plenty of socialists, including non-white and non-male socialists, who have the same issue with a focus on identity politics that is void of socialism, so in the end this comes down to an ideological dispute. And yeah that's anecdotal but I just mean that I know, at least by experience, that not everyone holds that position because they're disgruntled white men.
Spoiled Milk
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As a reminder, here's what he said on TYT when asked what he would demand from Secretary Clinton before an endorsement would be possible.
He has also said something to the same effect previously.
Ah I read about the judge thing before I heard about Ryan so it's just me being late to the news and assuming the timeline. Thanks
Obviously a thorough debate on socialism and the extent of social democracies is beyond the scope of a PoliGAF discussion, but I have quite a hard time understanding how one can overlook:
1) The undeniable and unbelievable progress of the past few decades in fighting poverty
2) The meltdown of countries like Argentina and Brazil once they decided to abandon the solid institutional framework that made them grow and prosper again over the past few years
The Brazil case is particularly sharp: A leftist government had incredible success in achieving growth AND reducing inequality by adopting strong redistributive policies within a capitalist framework for almost two decades. It fell apart precisely when they started abandoning that logic and ignoring the economic evidence that got us here. The country has now lost 10 years of economic progress all while inflation and interest rates are rising.
The evidence against an institutionally different economic system keeps piling up, and some people somehow keep ignoring it.
1) The undeniable and unbelievable progress of the past few decades in fighting poverty
2) The meltdown of countries like Argentina and Brazil once they decided to abandon the solid institutional framework that made them grow and prosper again over the past few years
The Brazil case is particularly sharp: A leftist government had incredible success in achieving growth AND reducing inequality by adopting strong redistributive policies within a capitalist framework for almost two decades. It fell apart precisely when they started abandoning that logic and ignoring the economic evidence that got us here. The country has now lost 10 years of economic progress all while inflation and interest rates are rising.
The evidence against an institutionally different economic system keeps piling up, and some people somehow keep ignoring it.
I'm furious. Holy shit.
Black Mamba
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The media now has the opportunity to really drive this shit home.
This shit is so fucking vile.
It keeps getting worse
how
BlastProcessing
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Its really hard for me to process that he keeps saying this. It takes a few seconds to really take it in every time I am presented with it. My racist grandmother wasn't even this obliviously, casually racist.
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