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PoliGAF 2016 |OT6| Delete your accounts

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balladofwindfishes

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He's treating the convention like a reality show lol

Are there any laws about making a game show around "Who Wants to Be the Veepee?" It seems like something the founding fathers wouldn't have anticipated.
 
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PBY

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I've seen so many versions of this floating around today
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hammysaurusrex

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Trump turning the RNC into an episode of The Apprentice where the winner becomes the VP would be be perfect way for this dumpster fire that is now visible from space to continue progressing.
 
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balladofwindfishes

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Half of those check marks aren't even true for Trump lol

He's starting PACs right now and getting ready to take whatever money the RNC hands him.

The "decides party nomination blah blah" is pretty dumb as well, considering Hillary has the most votes of any candidate in the election on either side.
 
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Just popping in here to see what PoliGAF thinks of this: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ue-that-someone-would-make-a-great-president/

"It wasn’t ideology that mattered. Tetlock found that “how you think matters more than what you think.” Among both liberals and conservatives, there were foxes and hedgehogs—a concept pioneered by Isaiah Berlin. Foxes are interested in many ideas and see the world in shades of gray; they’re constantly doubting what they know. Hedgehogs zoom in one big idea and see it in black and white, clinging with certainty to their core beliefs.

In Tetlock’s research, hedgehogs were consistently the poorest forecasters, because they couldn’t resist the temptation to oversimplify a complex world. Foxes did much better. They tended to come off as less confident in their predictions, but that openness to the variety of possibilities is precisely what made for stronger forecasting.

Here’s the catch: Although foxes are better at predicting the future, voters tend to prefer hedgehogs, because we make the mistake of confusing confidence for competence. Evidence shows that the more assertive someone appears, the more capable we think he or she is, even though the two are unrelated. As Quiet author Susan Cain explains, “There’s zero correlation between who’s the best talker and who has the best ideas.”"
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hammysaurusrex

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Early on I was supportive of more debates, but seeing how they turned out I realize too late it was a total mistaken belief on my part. There is no actual debate: It's just an opportunity for Bernie to do another version of the stump speech, and Hillary is horrible at them because debate format isn't great for actual nuance on policy.

One or two is okay to lay out basic differences in a public format, but anything beyond that is a total waste of time.
 
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Black Mamba

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saltypickles said:
Matt Taibi's piece on the end of the Republican Party is fantastic:
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Was just going to post this. It truly is a great article.

But his son Mitt wasn't. That sense of noblesse oblige disappeared somewhere during the past generation, when the newly global employer class cut regular working stiffs loose, forcing them to compete with billions of foreigners without rights or political power who would eat toxic waste for five cents a day.

Then they hired politicians and intellectuals to sell the peasants in places like America on why this was the natural order of things. Unfortunately, the only people fit for this kind of work were mean, traitorous scum, the kind of people who in the military are always eventually bayoneted by their own troops. This is what happened to the Republicans, and even though the cost was a potential Trump presidency, man, was it something to watch.

If this isn't the end for the Republican Party, it'll be a shame. They dominated American political life for 50 years and were never anything but monsters. They bred in their voters the incredible attitude that Republicans were the only people within our borders who raised children, loved their country, died in battle or paid taxes. They even sullied the word "American" by insisting they were the only real ones. They preferred Lubbock to Paris, and their idea of an intellectual was Newt Gingrich. Their leaders, from Ralph Reed to Bill Frist to Tom DeLay to Rick Santorum to Romney and Ryan, were an interminable assembly line of shrieking, witch-hunting celibates, all with the same haircut – the kind of people who thought Iran-Contra was nothing, but would grind the affairs of state to a halt over a blow job or Terri Schiavo's feeding tube.
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The entire article is just one truth bomb after another about the GOP.

Also, dying at this description of Ted Cruz:

This led to the hilarious irony of Ted Cruz. Here was a quintessentially insipid GOP con man culled straight from the halls of Princeton, Harvard, the Supreme Court, the Federal Trade Commission and the National Republican Senatorial Committee to smooth-talk the yokels. But through a freak accident of history, he came along just when the newest models of his type were selling "the Republican establishment sucks" as an electoral strategy.

Cruz was like an android that should have self-destructed in a cloud of sparks and black smoke the moment the switch flipped on. He instead stayed on just long enough to win 564 delegates, a stunning testament to just how much Republican voters, in the end, hated the Republican kingmakers Cruz robotically denounced.
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Everyone, read this piece!
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19

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The "Republicans have tricked their voters!" shit from super far left people is annoying. Republican voters that aren't rich know union-busting and trickle-down is a farce, they just care more about religion and white male privilege.

There's this delusion from Bernie Sanders' liberals that all we have to do to win Southern whites back is to explain that liberal economics is better for them. I'm pretty sure southern whites know that... they just care more about racism.
 
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mo60

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balladofwindfishes said:
Half of those check marks aren't even true for Donald "Somebody's doing the raping" Trump lol

He's starting PACs right now and getting ready to take whatever money the RNC hands him.

The "decides party nomination blah blah" is pretty dumb as well, considering Hillary has the most votes of any candidate in the election on either side.
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Yep. Also,it's possible in the end that the democrats have higher primary turnout than the republicans this election season. They are only around 3.5 million votes behind at this point.
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19

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ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
The "Republicans have tricked their voters!" shit from super far left people is annoying. Republican voters that aren't rich know union-busting and trickle-down is a farce, they just care more about religion and white male privilege.

There's this delusion from Bernie Sanders' liberals that all we have to do to win Southern whites back is to explain that liberal economics is better for them. I'm pretty sure southern whites know that... they just care more about racism.
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This was actually the same reason why Bernie lost the primary too. African Americans care a great deal about income inequality, but they care about racial discrimination more. Super far left people that see the world only through class instead of race are never going to understand American politics or even have comprehension of American politics.
 
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Black Mamba

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ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
The "Republicans have tricked their voters!" shit from super far left people is annoying. Republican voters that aren't rich know union-busting and trickle-down is a farce, they just care more about religion and white male privilege.

There's this delusion from Bernie Sanders' liberals that all we have to do to win Southern whites back is to explain that liberal economics is better for them. I'm pretty sure southern whites know that... they just care more about racism.
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While I agree with your assessment that things like racial resentment matter more, I think a significant amount of Republicans, even those not well off, do believe in their bullshit economics. Dodd-Frank is killing corporations. Taxes killing America. Etc.

edit: But they believe them in generalities. When you ask specific policy questions, things change.
 
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balladofwindfishes

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Last debate Bernie embarrassed himself, why would he want another? He's losing, badly, and losing staff and support rapidly.

Hillary should just politely decline. It doesn't even matter.
 
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BotoxAgent

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ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
The "Republicans have tricked their voters!" shit from super far left people is annoying. Republican voters that aren't rich know union-busting and trickle-down is a farce, they just care more about religion and white male privilege.

There's this delusion from Bernie Sanders' liberals that all we have to do to win Southern whites back is to explain that liberal economics is better for them. I'm pretty sure southern whites know that... they just care more about racism.
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yeah, which is why I always felt Sander's campaign message is ultimately tone def. Racism is the root of most income inequality and fear of liberal policies, not the evil Wall Street guys. His GE platform will not resonate in a lot of states.
 
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hammysaurusrex

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ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
The "Republicans have tricked their voters!" shit from super far left people is annoying. Republican voters know union-busting and trickle-down is a farce, they just care more about religion and white male privilege.
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I have to be totally honest - I've had a Come to Jesus moment this election in regards to this thanks to Bernie. Seeing Bernies supporters berate and mock the black voting bloc for "not knowing what's best for them" kind of woke me into realizing I was just as guilty of doing this to a huge portion of Republican voters. Granted, there's some difference in qualification because I actually am a country / Southern white voter... but while I might be able to mount a perfectly legitimate argument that their vote might be "against their interest" from a purely economic sense, I also have to accept that many are voting for their best interest when it comes to social issues - as horrible as I think they are.

I still think they are wrong and have no issue voicing my opinion as such, but I've realized being patronizing isn't an appropriate strategy no matter how tempting.
 
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studyguy

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There's no need for a CA debate, dude's already on the late train if it's anytime before the end of this week. Mail ballots are already out and probably returning well before.
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19

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The main progressive goal should be to try to reduce racism in America so we should really fund more studies on how to reduce racism. There seems to be not that many studies in that regard and they suffer from psychology's lack of regulations (which should be addressed also).
 
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Poodlestrike

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RedSwirl said:
Just popping in here to see what PoliGAF thinks of this: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ue-that-someone-would-make-a-great-president/
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Yeah, I've read a bit on Hedgehogs vs. Foxes before in Signal in the Noise, Nate Silver's book (good read btw). It's an interesting way of looking at the world. You certainly do see some people get super wrapped up in using a single concept to explain everything.

Hilariously, though, I'm worried that embracing hedgehogs vs. foxes wholeheartedly would make me a hedgehog :p

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We know he has with regard to his opinions of trump.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/05/don-willett-donald-trump-tweets
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Those are actually pretty amazing, lol.
 
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User 463088

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Of course he wants a debate. Its a free hour of ad time and they probably have a nice craft service table. Its pointless. I'm guessing if Hillary refuses they'll turn it into a town hall. So stupid.
 
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Thequietone

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studyguy said:
There's no need for a CA debate, dude's already on the late train if it's anytime before the end of this week. Mail ballots are already out and probably returning well before.
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Yeah, I just mailed both of our ballots earlier today. Everyone has already made up their minds.
Yaaaas Queen.
 
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PBY

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adam387 said:
Of course he wants a debate. Its a free hour of ad time and they probably have a nice craft service table. Its pointless. I'm guessing if Hillary refuses they'll turn it into a town hall. So stupid.
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If Hillary refuses I can see him going scorched earth on Shillary and crooked DNC
 
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hammysaurusrex

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I'd support letting Trump and Sanders have a general election debate in place of Clinton - he wants to be the nominee so badly, let him have it for a little bit.
 
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Tranqueris

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Great, three more weeks of "the establishment is trying to silence our voices by refusing to debate!" aka "be angry, donate to me please."
 
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