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@realDonaldTrump
Thank you Arizona! See you soon!
#MakeAmericaGreatAgain

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There really hasn't been much real polling between Trump VS Hill, besides some online ones. I guess we won't see much probably until June or July. Most of online ones show a close race, but not necessary the non-online ones.
 

Crocodile

Member
Wait. just catching up on the whole nevada mess *airhorn* and saw that sanders bragged about how he held ralleys in "high crime areas"

Between this and his whole dismissal of the south, his comments about the importance of white voters its become more concerning to me how he views many people in this country.

this is your typical bernie supporter at this point

I am so disappointed in him trying to win by solely going after the white vote. It's incredibly regressive for someone who is meant to be super progressive. I know I'm horribly paraphrasing his campaign rhetoric but when he speaks I hear:

"What will be good for white people will be good for everyone, so lets focus on doing stuff to help white people!'

No wonder he's attracted MRAs etc.

Not going to sugarcoat it, as a Black man, a Democratic nominee who is so inept at speaking to and understanding/appreciating the Black experience doesn't deserve to be president. They would by default be better than any current Republican nominee but a Democratic nominee who fails to do the described I don't feel adequately represents me or my interests. I would probably be perpetually upset and annoyed by their time in office. I don't want to move backwards as a country - if you are running as a Democrat you have to put in the work and to pass the test of getting my vote and the votes of people like me.
 

Holmes

Member
I think Benchmark has been good but you can tell they're fresh. They predicted Oregon pretty well... for the first returns. But I think they put too much weight on those first returns, so when the later stuff started to come, their prediction became wrong. That seems like a rookie mistake.
 

noshten

Member
What's crazy is that Sanders' lies have actually turned young and new voters away from politics. He's convinced them that it's him vs. complete corruption and once he's gone, all they'll see is corruption.

Can you elaborate on the Sanders lies you are talking about?
 

mo60

Member
I can't believe trump is bragging about a 2% lead in a poll done in a state that has usually voted for the republicans. Shouldn't a 2% lead over Hilary scare him and the republicans to.
I wonder how McCain's been sleeping at night these days

Not well most likely. The guy has to deal with a strong primary challenger along with a potentially strong democrat party challenger if he gets the primary stage in november. He won't get any relief until november unless he loses the Arizona senate primary.
 

Crocodile

Member
Does he really not understand that the fact it's that close when he's at his strongest and she's at her weakest is a bad thing for him?

That or his margins should be MUCH higher in many of these states since they are Republican strongholds. If you're the national Republican candidate and you are only up like 3 points in Mississippi (that's what a recent poll said right?) you should probably be hitting the panic button.
 

Armaros

Member
Can you elaborate on the Sanders lies you are talking about?

DNC + Hillary Money Laundering?

NV caucus Corruption?

He is deliberately fanning conspiracy flames to further his dying campaign.
Unless you believe there is any merit to these accusations?
 

B-Dubs

No Scrubs
And the fact that its Arizona. LOL

That part's implied :lol

That or his margins should be MUCH higher in many of these states since they are Republican strongholds. If you're the national Republican candidate and you are only up like 3 points in Mississippi (that's what a recent poll said right?) you should probably be hitting the panic button.

Pretty much. His campaign manager, if he has one, must have ulcers on his ulcers at this point.
 
Polls will thighten (a general election always plays out with just a few percentage points between the winner and loser), and what with both candidates being really unliked, and one being a populist (and populism can catch on as a virus), we're going to have very interesting election this year.
 

mo60

Member
Polls will thighten (a general election always plays out with just a few percentage points between the winner and loser), and what with both candidates being really unliked, and one being a populist (and populism can catch on as a virus), we're going to have very interesting election this year.

I think the polls will actually not tighten but expand a bit in the next few months. I think this election will be similar to the 2008 one. It may be even similar to 1972, 1984 or 1988 if we are lucky in terms of the difference in popular vote, but not electoral vote.
 
After a much demoralized army of Sanders volunteers all but gave up their collective ghosts when faced with the reality of the notorious 'delegate math', The Bern himself rose like a Phoenix from the ashes to give them all a dose of revolution in their collective arms.

https://youtu.be/96EZly177IY

Bernie Sanders said:
Reddit, thank you for all of your support and hard work during this campaign. Let us continue our fight for real social and economic change, and take the political revolution onward to California and beyond.

https://m.reddit.com/r/SandersForPr...t_thank_you_for_all_of_your_support_and_hard/


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Polls will thighten (a general election always plays out with just a few percentage points between the winner and loser), and what with both candidates being really unliked, and one being a populist (and populism can catch on as a virus), we're going to have very interesting election this year.

Not always. This is recency bias. 2000, 2004, and 2012 were pretty close, sure. But 2008, 1996, 1992, 1988, 1984, 1980, 1972 and 1964 were blowouts.

And Trump is a "populist" only in the racial sense. He wants the biggest tax cut for the rich in maybe human history and he wants to repeal Dodd-Frank.
 

kess

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After a much demoralized army of Sanders volunteers all but gave up their collective ghosts when faced with the reality of the notorious 'delegate math', The Bern himself rose like a Phoenix from the ashes to give them all a dose of revolution in their collective arms.

https://youtu.be/96EZly177IY



https://m.reddit.com/r/SandersForPr...t_thank_you_for_all_of_your_support_and_hard/


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Just saying, the horse that Theoden was riding on lost control and incapacitated him
 

Holmes

Member
Well my sister-in-law who's going to a Sanders rally tonight decided to start my day by texting me that Clinton is a snot nosed elitist who only visits major cities. When I brought up the small Kentucky cities she visited a few days ago, she kept bringing up Californian cities like Oakland and Richmond, to which I said she was in Oakland a week or so ago, which allowed her to counter with "of course because Oakland is a major city". lol. Other gems included "she's only trying to appeal to white people", "if she visits the south once and says hi to some black people, does that make her a saint?" and "if you're a feminist, she'd be good for you, but what about the little guy?"
 
http://fortune.com/2016/05/17/trump-campaign-scrambles-to-build-battleground-state-organization/


“I will win states that no Republican would even run in,” Trump said.

WASHINGTON (AP) — Donald Trump is moving quickly to install political operatives in more than a dozen states, targeting Maine and Minnesota among others that traditionally favor Democrats, as the Republican White House contender lays the groundwork for an expanded electoral battlefield.

The staffing expansion, outlined by campaign strategists not authorized to speak publicly about internal strategy, represents Trump’s first tangible step toward implementing a general election plan that would defy conventional wisdom and political trends. Drawing on the New York billionaire’s appeal among working class white voters in particular, the campaign is charting an early path to the White House that runs through states that haven’t supported a Republican in a presidential election in decades.

“I will win states that no Republican would even run in,” Trump told The Associated Press in a recent interview.

The Trump campaign has identified roughly 15 states where it plans to install state directors by the end of the month. They include traditional battlegrounds like Ohio, Florida and Virginia and more challenging terrain such as Minnesota, Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Maine — all states that haven’t favored a Republican presidential contender in at least two decades. The target states are also expected to include Georgia, a Republican-leaning state where demographic shifts benefit Democrats.

The plan will be subsidized, at least in part, by the Republican Party’s new “building fund,” a lightly regulated pool of money that can draw donation of more than $100,000 from individual donors.

With likely Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton already weeks into her swing-state ramp up, Trump’s team is scrambling to build a national organization essentially from scratch.

“Up until three weeks ago, there were 102 or 103 employees, which is fewer than Ben Carson had in January,” said Trump aide Barry Bennett. “Today, that number is much bigger, and it’s growing every day.”

Also he signed a join fundraising deal with RNC now.

Targeting those states seems really stupid to me and a waste of resources; on the other hand it can mean that Democrats would have to defend more states and risk losing them if they become competitive, but that is so unlikely. Probably were he is going to use Bernie attacks on Clinton.
 

B-Dubs

No Scrubs
http://fortune.com/2016/05/17/trump-campaign-scrambles-to-build-battleground-state-organization/

Also he signed a join fundraising deal with RNC now.

Targeting those states seems really stupid to me and a waste of resources; on the other hand it can mean that Democrats would have to defend more states and risk losing them if they become competitive, but that is so unlikely.

Just watch, he's going to sink millions upon millions of dollars into trying to win New York. I just know he will because he won't be able to help himself.
 

The Technomancer

card-carrying scientician
Well my sister-in-law who's going to a Sanders rally tonight decided to start my day by texting me that Clinton is a snot nosed elitist who only visits major cities. When I brought up the small Kentucky cities she visited a few days ago, she kept bringing up Californian cities like Oakland and Richmond, to which I said she was in Oakland a week or so ago, which allowed her to counter with "of course because Oakland is a major city". lol. Other gems included "she's only trying to appeal to white people", "if she visits the south once and says hi to some black people, does that make her a saint?" and "if you're a feminist, she'd be good for you, but what about the little guy?"

I...what?
 

dramatis

Member
Just watch, he's going to sink millions upon millions of dollars into trying to win New York. I just know he will because he won't be able to help himself.
I hope he gets baited into doing so. Shouldn't be hard, just let him know that he'll lose even in his home state, and Trump will go for it.
 
It's very strange that they are attacking solid blue states when there are indications that many solid red states are veering towards tossup category.
 

B-Dubs

No Scrubs
I hope he gets baited into doing so. Shouldn't be hard, just let him know that he'll lose even in his home state, and Trump will go for it.

It's going to be easier than that. All someone has to do is release a poll of New York State and he'd put those dots together himself. His ego wouldn't be able to handle losing his home state.

This is a bad idea that is going to be a gigantic waste of money and resources!

I know, isn't it great?
 

Ophelion

Member
Clinton clearly needs to counter by thanking GAF.

"Thank you for just being normal internet weirdoes and not doxxing a single person in my name."

It's very strange that they are attacking solid blue states when there are indications that many solid red states are veering towards tossup category.

Not that strange when you consider that Trump has absolutely no idea what he's doing and won a primary of the blind by having a single shitty eye.
 

User1608

Banned
Add incompetence to the list as to why Trump will not win this year. Possibly putting a ton of resources and money into NY... I can't even.
 

B-Dubs

No Scrubs
You know, someone should tweet at PPP asking for a general election poll of New York. If we could trick him into trying to win it that would be amazing...
 
I mean, it's not like Trump has any chance fighting over traditional swing States like Florida/Virginia/CO. He's gotta do something unreal to win, and he's trying.
 
I just got a phone call from a Bernie volunteer....asking me to vote in the New Jersey primary.

1) I've never lived, visited or flown over New Jersey.
2) I've never given my contact information to the Bernie people.
3) The guy was from Germany...which is fine, but when I told him I lived in Ohio he asked me if it was close enough that I could go vote in New Jersey?
4) He sounded like he was 11.

I'm confused.
 
Not always. This is recency bias. 2000, 2004, and 2012 were pretty close, sure. But 2008, 1996, 1992, 1988, 1984, 1980, 1972 and 1964 were blowouts.

And Trump is a "populist" only in the racial sense. He wants the biggest tax cut for the rich in maybe human history and he wants to repeal Dodd-Frank.

Eh, I guess by American standards a 46-53 result is a blowout. I just mean to say that with two candidates that seem to be getting just 30% of the voters behind them, in the end both candidates will inch closer to that 50% mark when undecided numbers drop. By all accounts, sometimes you could get a 30-70% victory, but with the 2 party system that never seems to happen. Everyone falls in line.

And I guess populism is hard to define. I went to wikipedia and there isn't a clear consensus on the word, but "anti establisment", easy answers, charismatic leadership and patriotism seem to be aspects of populism. But I guess you can fit just about every politician into some definition of populism, so eh...
 

B-Dubs

No Scrubs
I just got a phone call from a Bernie volunteer....asking me to vote in the New Jersey primary.

1) I've never lived, visited or flown over New Jersey.
2) I've never given my contact information to the Bernie people.
3) The guy was from Germany...which is fine, but when I told him I lived in Ohio he asked me if it was close enough that I could go vote in New Jersey?
4) He sounded like he was 11.

I'm confused.

What in the flying fuck?
 

studyguy

Member
I just got a phone call from a Bernie volunteer....asking me to vote in the New Jersey primary.

1) I've never lived, visited or flown over New Jersey.
2) I've never given my contact information to the Bernie people.
3) The guy was from Germany...which is fine, but when I told him I lived in Ohio he asked me if it was close enough that I could go vote in New Jersey?
4) He sounded like he was 11.

I'm confused.

It genuinely bothers me to have people outside of the fucking country physically calling in to try and influence voters. That shit's strange. I haven't gone deep into /r/s4p but you see the little tags that mention a number of them making calls from well outside the US. Just stop with that shit.
 
What in the flying fuck?

It genuinely bothers me to have people outside of the fucking country physically calling in to try and influence voters. That shit's strange. I haven't gone deep into /r/s4p but you see the little tags that mention a number of them making calls from well outside the US. Just stop with that shit.

Ya, it was weird. I thought it might have been work because the number was from where my supervisors are located, so I answered it. I'm guessing they were using a Google number or something. I was nice to him, but seriously...it was weird. I have no idea how they got this number either. Must have been pulled from the DNC data base or something. Weird.
 
Steven Colloton

The third name on Heritage’s list of possible Supreme Court nominees is Judge Steven Colloton, who was appointed by President George W. Bush to the Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals, after previous service for Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr and as a U.S. attorney.

Colloton has been at the forefront of a number of troubling Eighth Circuit rulings, including writing decisions that reversed an $8.1 million award to whistleblowers who helped bring a defective pricing and kickback claim against a large corporation and a nearly $19 million class action judgment against Tyson Foods for violating the federal Fair Labor Standards Act. He also joined a ruling making the Eighth Circuit the only appellate court in the country that found that the Obama administration’s efforts to accommodate religious universities and other religious nonprofit objectors to the provision of contraceptive coverage under the ACA was insufficient, an issue now being considered by the Supreme Court.

Even more troubling, Colloton has dissented from a number of Eighth Circuit rulings that have upheld the rights of employees, consumers and others against big business and government agencies. He dissented from a decision giving African-American shoppers the opportunity to prove discrimination claims against a large department store, and then saw his view prevail by one vote when the full Eighth Circuit reheard the case. In another case, he dissented from a decision finding that a city had violated the Voting Rights Act by improperly diluting the voting strength of Native Americans.

Colloton dissented from rulings that gave individuals a chance to prove claims of use of excessive force and, in one case, that a city’s policy to use police dogs to bite and hold suspects without any warning was unconstitutional. In three separate cases, he dissented from decisions that employees should at least get the chance to prove in court that their employers retaliated against them for filing sex harassment, age discrimination, or other discrimination claims. In two more decisions, he argued in dissent that public employees should not have the opportunity to prove that they were retaliated against for speaking out in violation of their First Amendment rights. Yet he also claimed in a dissent that the First Amendment rights of a candidate for state supreme court justice were violated by a state judicial code of conduct restricting solicitation and other campaign activity in order to promote judicial impartiality and ethical conduct by judges. Even the conservative Roberts Court that decided the Citizens United case has agreed that these concerns justify solicitation restrictions in state supreme court elections.

Trump's main pick for a justice is the most pro-business asshole ever. What a populist.

I mean, the racism and misogyny make sense for a Trump judge.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/conte...ish-supreme-court-what-would-trump-or-cruz-do
 

Drakeon

Member
I just got a phone call from a Bernie volunteer....asking me to vote in the New Jersey primary.

1) I've never lived, visited or flown over New Jersey.
2) I've never given my contact information to the Bernie people.
3) The guy was from Germany...which is fine, but when I told him I lived in Ohio he asked me if it was close enough that I could go vote in New Jersey?
4) He sounded like he was 11.

I'm confused.

I almost want a call from a Bernie supporter (I'm in CA) so I can tell them the wife and I already voted for Hillary by mail. I've donated (which is where I'm assuming my number came from for Democrat purposes), and got polled and called from my local democratic party for my county (which I enjoy receiving), so it's a fair bet I'm on some sort of listed
 
I got absolutely wrecked by boxes and boxes of late Bernie ballots. Never been more furious in my life. The No on Bernie+10 seemed so inevitable (since he was up 5.9 with 66% in) that I peaced out for awhile, watched some tv, played some music.

Came back to see that my +160 G/L was now -200. I managed to sell my shares for 10c on the dollar, but this loss hurts.

Bernie Bros ruin fucking everything.
 
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