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PoliGAF 2016 |OT6| Delete your accounts

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whyamihere

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http://www.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx

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41-49, including leaners.
 
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Crocodile

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"Blah blah get rid of closed primaries";
"Blah blah superdelegates are bad"

I think there is room for improvement but I'm really tired on hearing Sanders rail about them and I'm tired of hearing pundits recently saying Clinton/DNC should just give into to these demands as if these aspects of the Democratic nomination process don't have positives :(

As an aside, why is Zuckerbeg meeting with conservative leaders about the Trending Topic thing? Why does he care?
 
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mo60

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Crocodile said:
"Blah blah get rid of closed primaries";
"Blah blah superdelegates are bad"

I think there is room for improvement but I'm really tired on hearing Sanders rail about them and I'm tired of hearing pundits recently saying Clinton/DNC should just give into to these demands as if these aspects of the Democratic nomination process don't have positives :(

As an aside, why is Zuckerbeg meeting with conservative leaders about the Trending Topic thing? Why does he care?
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At least the democrats nomination system is not as bad as the republican which helped nominate trump this year.
 
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Bowdz

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OH SHIT. Trump leads Clinton in FOX's new poll.

Trump - 45
Clinton - 42

Also, Clinton's negatives surpassed Trump's negatives.
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19

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Bowdz said:
OH SHIT. Trump leads Clinton in FOX's new poll.

Trump - 45
Clinton - 42

Also, Clinton's negatives surpassed Trump's negatives.
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What do people who like Obama hate about Hillary? It's so strange, lol. They're the same except Hillary is more hawkish... and Obama not being hawkish enough is probably the main criticism Americans have of him.
 
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gutter_trash

Banned
Bowdz said:
OH SHIT. Trump leads Clinton in FOX's new poll.

Trump - 45
Clinton - 42

Also, Clinton's negatives surpassed Trump's negatives.
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good!
time to mobilize people to get off their sofas of complacency and go out to vote.

complacency is Hillary's true enemy, not Trump.

Trump moving up in the polls is good to kick Democratic minded voters to get off their ass and go vote
 
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PBY

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People really fucking hate her.

She's such a bad candidate for this cycle wow, the only thing that lets me sleep is how good she is at what she does. Feel like its gonna be game over once she doesn't have to deal w/ Bernie.

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‏@ForecasterEnten
Per http://Pollster.com , the average result since Trump clinched nomination: Clinton 45%, Trump 42%. He def has closed, tho she leads.
 
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Bowdz

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PBY said:
People really fucking hate her.

She's such a bad candidate for this cycle wow, the only thing that lets me sleep is how good she is at what she does. Feel like its gonna be game over once she doesn't have to deal w/ Bernie.
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Yeah, this period typically has the presumptive nominee see a bump as the party unifies. The ongoing Democratic fight is certainly depressing numbers a bit, but it was inevitable to see the race tighten.

I really am ready for the general election in full however. The nomination fight is so played out at this point.
 
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Y2Kev

TLG Fan Caretaker Est. 2009
Her margins with women, blacks, and Hispanics are all disappointing in that poll. I can't believe she only wins Hispanics by 39, lol.

The real drag is only 83% democrats saying they'd vote for her. Trump gets 82% of republicans. You can chalk some of that up to the primary still going on I guess.

Also note sanders' margin is now only 4. I think republicans are coalescing. Shocking!!!!
 
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Y2Kev

TLG Fan Caretaker Est. 2009
Sanders actually drops by more. From 53-39 to 46-42, or -7, while Hillary is -6. This primary is seriously grating on them, and obviously republicans are now unifying.

Edit: 42, not 52
 
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Bam Bam Baklava

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PBY said:
People really fucking hate her.

She's such a bad candidate for this cycle wow, the only thing that lets me sleep is how good she is at what she does. Feel like its gonna be game over once she doesn't have to deal w/ Bernie.

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Harry EntenVerified account
‏@ForecasterEnten
Per http://Pollster.com , the average result since Trump clinched nomination: Clinton 45%, Trump 42%. He def has closed, tho she leads.
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But the average result since Trump clinched has a bunch of Morning/Consult polls with a Gravis poll mixed in. There's on from CNN, one from PPP, and now Fox but that's about it as far as big name pollsters.
 
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Spoiled Milk

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ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
The main progressive goal should be to try to reduce racism in America so we should really fund more studies on how to reduce racism. There seems to be not that many studies in that regard and they suffer from psychology's lack of regulations (which should be addressed also).
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Wow. No way. The main progressive goal should be to create a society that provides decent opportunities and guarantees the best, minimum standard of living, for all people within the society. Reduction of systematic racism is an important but ultimately small part of that. If you really think racism, the abstract kind that most of us live with, is even close to the significance of increased educational attainment, higher wages, health care, infrastructure spending, or labor laws, then you must really be privileged to be able to say that the worst thing you encounter on a day to day is racism.
 
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Bam Bam Baklava

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I'm sure Devine or Weaver are showing this poll to Sanders right now telling him he's the only one that can stop Trump if that dastardly Clinton would just get out of the way. Much like all Trump's GOP opponents thought they would beat him if the others would just drop out, thus leading to where we are now.
 
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B-Dubs

No Scrubs
Bam Bam Baklava said:
I'm sure Devine or Weaver are showing this poll to Sanders right now telling him he's the only one that can stop Trump if that dastardly Clinton would just get out of the way. Much like all Trump's GOP opponents thought they would beat him if the others would just drop out, thus leading to where we are now.
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Judging by what's been reported the last few days, it's more likely he found it himself.
 
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Captain Pants

Killed by a goddamned Dredgeling
I can't help but wonder why the primary season is so spread out. How is it good for Democrats to spend January to June beating the shit out of each other only to have five months for the nominee to do what they need to do to win?

Granted, I've been ready for this shit to be over since early March, so maybe I just don't have the temperament for it.
 
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excelsiorlef

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Wonkette just wrote an amazing piece on Sanders and his Nevada statement, goes through it bit by bit. It's caustic in nature but that's Wonkette charm.

If you were waiting for Bernie Sanders to release a statement on the clusterfuck that was the Nevada state Democratic convention, hooray! He has done so! If you were waiting for Bernie Sanders to release a statement telling his supporters “hey maybe don’t drown out and scream at Barbara Boxer that she’s a fucking bitch for having a different preference in the Democratic primary than you do,” you are going to have to wait a little bit longer.
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No, Bernie Sanders is going down swinging, and doubling down, and other metaphors from baseball and/or gambling (or both if you are Pete Rose or Shoeless Joe Jackson). See, his supporters wouldn’t have had to fling chimpanzee shit all over Las Vegas’s Paris hotel if they hadn’t been robbed, by which we mean they lost.
Wonkette has been officially neutral in the Democratic primary, until now. (We know, angry commenters; Wonkette says it has been neutral but has been a reliable source of bought-and-paid-for neoliberal corporate piece of shit one-percenter shilling for a mass murderer who will be arrested for “emails” any day now. Fair enough!)

But if your “revolution” includes disinformation, aimed to rile up your supporters, that would make Pravda and Ronald Reagan blush, you can make like your healthcare, and keep it!

(Also, if you consider Barbara Boxer, Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris, Dolores Huerta, Planned Parenthood, Emily’s List, Barney Frank, Harry Reid and John Lewis to be Enemies of your State, you probably need to sit down with a mug of Ovaltine and give your animal farm and Four Legs Bad Two Legs Better a super double plus good unthink.)

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But the Democratic party has always opened its doors to people who are prepared to fight for economic and social change — I mean, at least since we traded Strom Thurmond to the Republicans for some black guys to be named later. They just have to check a little box on their voter reg form that says “I am a Democrat.” It’s not even as hard as it is for those poor nuns; they not only have to check a box saying they don’t want to provide slut pills to their employees, they have to write down who their insurance carrier is too.

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According to the Nevada Democrats, after the Dems attempted to contact the missing delegates to resolve the problems with their registrations (which were either “not Democrat” or were missing addresses, etc., to make sure they were actually Nevada residents) those 58 people literally never showed up to the convention. Why would I believe the Nevada Democrats over Bernie Sanders? Because I have seen the rest of the disinformation in Bernie Sanders’s statement, and he has now lost his reputation with me of being an honest broker.

Which is a fucking pity.


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Those amendments would have needed a two-thirds vote, because they would change the rules. To allow people to have noisemakers and megaphones, inside a hotel ballroom where they were actually trying to conduct convention business, like voting on a platform and confirming the delegate slates approved by both campaigns. This was their big demand, and they did not get it, and so the next 16 hours were spent voting down their own planks in the platform. Hey, at least it’s an ethos.

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I misread the preceding; a commenter notes that Sen. Sanders here is discussing credentials chair Christine Kramar at the county conventions, not the state. That’s the same Christine Kramar who, it was alleged, sent emails to Hillary Clinton delegates telling them they didn’t need to show up to be counted. When the Clinton camp complained she might be slightly biased, she staged a sit-in and demanded to be arrested. So that’s who was “threatened with arrest.” We never wrote about that either because we didn’t want Bernie people to sound nuts.

I am fucking sorry to endorse Hillary Clinton, and I mean it. The Democratic primary was a good, hard, fair race in which both candidates showed the nutballs at the Trump rallies how to run a clean campaign. I was proud of all of us. While some — including the president — were calling for supporters to unite behind Hillary, and for Bernie to drop out, I thought such calls were misguided. Hell, when does the 10 percent of the country that lives in California ever get to vote! More democracy is more gooderer!

But the Sanders campaign is now relying on Alex Jones-style conspiracies — if a Republican county clerk in Arizona shuts down a whole bunch of primary precincts because Hillary Clinton told her to, then Hillary Clinton is probably really good at getting shit done! — and flat out fucking lies to get its way. It hasn’t had any kind of intellectual consistency for months now as first it excoriated superdelegates as undemocratic even as they mirrored the popular vote, and then called for superdelegates to overthrow the will of the people by going for the candidate who has received fewer votes. (As one example, and they are legion.)

Enough of those intellectual flip-flops — and now victim-blaming the Nevada Democrats for dressing like that!

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We’ll take our check now, thanks, Mr. Brock.
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http://wonkette.com/601971/nice-gra...na-burn-your-sht-dowwwwwn#4MLxO9GayeECqq8m.99
 
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whyamihere

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(Also, if you consider Barbara Boxer, Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris, Dolores Huerta, Planned Parenthood, Emily’s List, Barney Frank, Harry Reid and John Lewis to be Enemies of your State, you probably need to sit down with a mug of Ovaltine and give your animal farm and Four Legs Bad Two Legs Better a super double plus good unthink.)
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😂😂😂
 
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Black Mamba

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I wouldn't worry about national polling again. I believe Sam Wang showed these are the months when national polling gets worse, not better.

Trump is getting a nomination bump. Hillary will get one after June 7th and then it will solidify.
 
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royalan

Member
Bam Bam Baklava said:
I'm sure Devine or Weaver are showing this poll to Sanders right now telling him he's the only one that can stop Trump if that dastardly Clinton would just get out of the way. Much like all Trump's GOP opponents thought they would beat him if the others would just drop out, thus leading to where we are now.
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Why do people keep making excuses for Sanders? Like he's some hopeless old man lacking a spine but possessing a heart of gold, being misused by the wolves surrounding him? This is all Bernie; the man is a prideful ideologue, a career politician out for his own glory, and the writing has been on the wall for months.

Anyway, these polls have me worried. A primary this nasty, not just between two competitive candidates but the very legitimacy of the Democratic party itself, is doing NO good by being dragged out. It's made the Democratic primary into every bit the mess the Republic party was SUPPOSED to be. It's no wonder Trump is catching up.
 
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darkside31337

Tomodachi wa Mahou
Black Mamba said:
I wouldn't worry about national polling again. I believe Sam Wang showed these are the months when national polling gets worse, not better.

Trump is getting a nomination bump. Hillary will get one after June 7th and then it will solidify.
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This is 100% going under the assumption Bernie is going to drop out.

I don't think for a second he is. He's been running a campaign he knows he can't actually win for months now. Whats going to stop him after California? He's going to take this all the way to the convention.
 
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gutter_trash

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Trump peaking early is the best thing to happen.

an expectations game and give him an exaggerated sense of overconfidence that will cause him to crash n burn at the debates.

he is goign to waltz in at the debates thinking he is hot shit then get exposed for being a buffoon

then spend the rest of the tail end seeing him metldown and go postal
 
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mo60

Member
RastaMentality said:
DWS really made the worst primary schedule of all time.
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Having to wait until california on june 7th to know who would be the democrat nominee is not that good. I wish california was at least a month or two earlier.

I'm not too worried about the polls right now. The polls in the last big election I watched were nowhere near accurate or all over the place into like late september or early october. I expect Hilary to eventually reextend her polling lead again soon.
 
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Black Mamba

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darkside31337 said:
This is 100% going under the assumption Bernie is going to drop out.

I don't think for a second he is. He's been running a campaign he knows he can't actually win for months now. Whats going to stop him after California? He's going to take this all the way to the convention.
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He can do what he wants but the election will be over on June 7th after he gets crushed in Cali and NJ. He'll have no argument, then.

He'll concede before the convention. And if he doesn't, it won't matter. No one will cover him except CNN occasionally cuz why not.


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