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[Valhelm]

In case anybody didn't see, this Jacobin article is a really interesting look at the Democrat's inability to appeal to many working class whites.

 

[Spoiled Milk]

I'm confused because the site I'm using shows bernie in the lead again.

Compare this:
https://embed.gyazo.com/068a6e84b70c726d2aba72b0e8eead4f.png

To the current percentages in the top counties. Hillary is WAY overperforming. It's going to be yuge. About to dump all my money into a blowout.

 

[thcsquad]

Serious question, why do people want Hillary?

She's been flip flopping on issues for years. She can't seem to make up her mind on what she's for.

Her flip-flopping is mostly just the Democratic Party dealing with public opinion in the aftermath of the Reagan years. She represents pragmatic incremental progress, which is how positive things tend to be accomplished in this country.

 

[bodyofanamerican]

 

[pompidu]

Her policies are well laid out, workable, and appear to be the best path forwards for the country, given the limitations in our government. She knows how the system works and knows how to use it. She's the most qualified person from either parties to be president as well.

I agree that they're workable.

She's changed stances over the years, but ultimately she's trying to be a third term Obama. Would you rather have that or Trump?

Bernie on the other hand is just sprouting off about impossible goals and how he won't compromise and middle ground isn't enough. You don't accomplish anything with this attitude. Also he's had an insurmountable delegate lead to overcome since March, so he's wasting everyone's time.

Trump being a bad candidate doesn't make Hillary a good one.

I agree slot of Sanders stuff is out there but so was Obamacare.

 

[OrangeGrayBlue]

Kentucky's giving me anxiety.

 

[User 463088]

Haha, I was on a vacation and made the top 5. Get on my level.

 

[Black Mamba]

Now they say it will be within about 4% one way or another.

 

[mo60]

Compare this:
https://embed.gyazo.com/068a6e84b70c726d2aba72b0e8eead4f.png

To the current percentages in the top counties. Hillary is WAY overperforming. It's going to be yuge. About to dump all my money into a blowout.

It looks like it's going to be at least a 10% win for her based off of those Kentucky county results you linked.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

Serious question, why do people want Hillary?

She's been flip flopping on issues for years. She can't seem to make up her mind on what she's for.

Personally?

I think she won't rock the boat from this middling stability we have today, and she's like the only viable option I see in the next ten to fifteen years of a woman that has more than a small shot at the presidency. And I really think we need to get over this social hurdle.

Just like Barack Obama's presidency didn't fix our racist culture, Hillary's won't fix the sexism inherent in the culture. But both are steps in the right direction.

And for the most part... I don't shy away from political mobility. I mean Barack went from for gay marriage as a state senator to only open to civil unions as a presidential candidate.

Political expediency. Flowing with the direction of the populace to get elected, is smarter than trying to show the public how they're wrong. Better to get elected and show them through action.

And it's not like she's pure politician in this regard. She will fight a hard battle when she feels the chance and motivation. See her tenure as first lady and SoS.

 

[Kud Dukan]

Benchmark Politics ‏@benchmarkpol 31s31 seconds ago
Clinton up 10k votes now in Jefferson - Get ready for the news networks to pick it up.

That just came up on Benchmark Politics Twitter feed.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Thomas Edsall regularly writes in NYT about the state of the Dem party and "working class whites."

 

[Macho Madness]

In case anybody didn't see, this Jacobin article is a really interesting look at the Democrat's inability to appeal to many working class whites.

Failure to recognize how much racism plays into our daily lives and decision making will ensure continued failure.

 

[metalslimer]

I agree that they're workable.



Trump being a bad candidate doesn't make Hillary a good one.

I agree slot of Sanders stuff is out there but so was Obamacare.

Obamacare was a very hard fought battle, but it was never unachievable. Let's not forget it took a super democratic majority to get that piece of legislation passed. Sanders is talking about going even farther much faster with at best slight majorities in both the house and senate.

 

[RustyNails]

That just came up on Benchmark Politics Twitter feed.

Kris was right

 

[Iolo]

Ugh this is too close

 

[eBay Huckster]

hey jefferson county,

 

[Crayons]

I can't believe I only had 62 posts in the last thread. It felt like I was there for hundreds. I guess sometimes I say stuff in my head and think I posted them

 

[jack_package_200]

I guess pointing out that Bernie mainly wins mostly white states makes me a racist

 

[Voysa Reezun]

I agree slot of Sanders stuff is out there but so was Obamacare.

Obamacare was a Heritage Foundation idea. It's a conservative solution to health care. It isn't so out there at all. Not like bread lines or dictatorships or any other crazy stuff Bernie was legit into at some point.

 

[AntraxSuicide]

Man, if Hillary can take another one, that'd be great.

 

[OrangeGrayBlue]

That just came up on Benchmark Politics Twitter feed.

Just updated. The state is basically neck and neck right now.

 

[sc0la]

edit:
OT6 In GE pivot Trump now loves both Hispanics and Herspanics

 

[HylianTom]

Personally?

I think she won't rock the boat from this middling stability we have today, and she's like the only viable option I see in the next ten to fifteen years of a woman that has more than a small shot at the presidency. And I really think we need to get over this social hurdle.

Just like Barack Obama's presidency didn't fix our racist culture, Hillary's won't fix the sexism inherent in the culture. But both are steps in the right direction.

And for the most part... I don't shy away from political mobility. I mean Barack went from for gay marriage as a state senator to only open to civil unions as a presidential candidate.

Political expediency. Flowing with the direction of the populace to get elected, is smarter than trying to show the public how they're wrong. Better to get elected and show them through action.

And it's not like she's pure politician in this regard. She will fight a hard battle when she feels the chance and motivation. See her tenure as first lady and SoS.

My thing on her flexibility: a decade ago when she was in the Senate, she was the 11th most liberal senator.

She was already, by a neutral mathematical measurement, a solid mainstream liberal. And she's been "flexible" in that she's moved even further leftward over the past decade.

I can't quibble with that. Especially given the likelihood of continued GOP control of the House, a likelihood which would render much of this Bernie-vs-Hillary legislative policy discussion moot.

 

[DrForester]

Bernie has the perfect way to exit.

I'm not bothered by him staying in. I'd like to think this primary might lead to reforms in how it's done. As for unifying the party, I think Hillary needs to work at it just as much as Bernie does. Just expecting them to shut up and fall in I think will be a mistake. I don't think many would jump to Trump, but it might just discourage them enough to stay home.

I'm just really worried Hillary and the DNC are going to screw this up somehow and lead us to President Trump.

 

[AntraxSuicide]

I can't believe I only had 62 posts in the last thread. It felt like I was there for hundreds. I guess sometimes I say stuff in my head and think I posted them

I do the same thing. Or I multi-quote a fuckton

 

[B-Dubs]

Bernie has the perfect way to exit.

I'm not bothered by him staying in. I'd like to think this primary might lead to reforms in how it's done. As for unifying the party, I think Hillary needs to work at it just as much as Bernie does. Just expecting them to shut up and fall in I think will be a mistake. I don't think many would jump to Trump, but it might just discourage them enough to stay home.

I'm just really worried Hillary and the DNC are going to screw this up somehow and lead us to President Trump.

I'm more worried about Bernie screwing it up at this point. The man can't even condemn violence properly.

 

[ampere]

Trump being a bad candidate doesn't make Hillary a good one.

I agree slot of Sanders stuff is out there but so was Obamacare.

Regardless of how you feel, you have to be realistic about the 2 party system and it does make sense to look at how bad Trump would make things

Obamacare had to compromise a lot. Sanders' plan would try to get rid of Obamacare and basically eliminate health insurerers nationwide. That doesn't sound remotely plausible

Hillary's current stance on social issues is actually really damn good. Good progress for women, LGBT, and minorities. She will put a progressive on the Supreme Court.

 

[Iolo]

I'm more worried about Bernie screwing it up at this point. The man can't even condemn violence properly.

Marty did have to punch Biff to win.

 

[OrangeGrayBlue]

50% reporting and the margin is about 600 votes. This might be the closest primary so far.

 

[pompidu]

Personally?

I think she won't rock the boat from this middling stability we have today, and she's like the only viable option I see in the next ten to fifteen years of a woman that has more than a small shot at the presidency. And I really think we need to get over this social hurdle.

Just like Barack Obama's presidency didn't fix our racist culture, Hillary's won't fix the sexism inherent in the culture. But both are steps in the right direction.

And for the most part... I don't shy away from political mobility. I mean Barack went from for gay marriage as a state senator to only open to civil unions as a presidential candidate.

Political expediency. Flowing with the direction of the populace to get elected, is smarter than trying to show the public how they're wrong. Better to get elected and show them through action.

And it's not like she's pure politician in this regard. She will fight a hard battle when she feels the chance and motivation. See her tenure as first lady and SoS.

I see your points. Thank you for taking the time to respond.

Obamacare was a very hard fought battle, but it was never unachievable. Let's not forget it took a super democratic majority to get that piece of legislation passed. Sanders is talking about going even farther much faster with at best slight majorities in both the house and senate.

Some of Sanders shit is out there but he's genuine in his journey to help people. Hillary does not come off that way at all.

Obamacare was a Heritage Foundation idea. It's a conservative solution to health care. It isn't so out there at all. Not like bread lines or dictatorships or any other crazy stuff Bernie was legit into at some point.

It was so out there they are still trying to overturn that law.

 

[DrForester]

Regardless of how you feel, you have to be realistic about the 2 party system and it does make sense to look at how bad Trump would make things

Obamacare had to compromise a lot. Sanders' plan would try to get rid of Obamacare and basically eliminate health insurerers nationwide. That doesn't sound remotely plausible

Hillary's current stance on social issues is actually really damn good. Good progress for women, LGBT, and minorities. She will put a progressive on the Supreme Court.

This is pretty much why I need to get a "I'm settling for Hillary" bumper sticker. SCOTUS is WAY too important right now. With a chance to flip the court with Scalia, not to mention other vacancies coming up.

 

[Y2Kev]

50% reporting and the margin is about 600 votes. This might be the closest primary so far.

Ddhq is showing like 3.5k votes.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

If Trump called Hillary a cunt during one of the debates, would Jim Gray have a shot of beating Rand Paul?

 

[kirblar]

Failure to recognize how much racism plays into our daily lives and decision making will ensure continued failure.

@jbouie went in on this on twitter.

 

[royalan]

Ddhq is showing like 3.5k votes.

WHO IS RIGHT???

My nails can't take it

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

No matter what happens, Sanders didn't come close to the target so what difference does it make?

 

[Tranqueris]

I don't wanna hear the words "virtual tie" ever again.

No matter what happens, Sanders didn't come close to the target so what difference does it make?

Something something "we have momentum, donate to me, etc."

 

[Voysa Reezun]

It was so out there they are still trying to overturn that law.

With all due respect, you are wrong. They are trying to repeal to obstruct the black man, not to block an idea that they came up with 25 years ago because now they suddenly think it is "out there."

 

[OrangeGrayBlue]

Ddhq is showing like 3.5k votes.

CNN is showing Bernie up by 1k right now and Ddhq is showing Hillary up by 1k. I need a drink.

 

[Fenderputty]

No matter what happens, Sanders didn't come close to the target so what difference does it make?

I'll get another "we won another state" email even though I've opted out twice

 

[mo60]

I bet you their will only be 5 delegate or less difference between Bernie and Hilary in Kentucky if none of them pull away soon.

 

[maabus1999]

CNN is showing Bernie up by 1k right now and Ddhq is showing Hillary up by 1k. I need a drink.

The main sites aren't including the biggest counties results yet for whatever reason, which are heavily Clinton.

 

[eBay Huckster]

I bet you their will only be 5 delegate or less difference between Bernie and Hilary in Kentucky if none of them pull away soon.

it's gonna be 3 delegates or less depending on the final margin

 

[SmokeMaxX]

The main sites aren't including the biggest counties results yet for whatever reason, which are heavily Clinton.

It's a combination of establishment media bias and fraud.

 

[maabus1999]

I bet you their will only be 5 delegate or less difference between Bernie and Hilary in Kentucky if none of them pull away soon.

Going to be 2-4 points in the end, Clinton, going by current voting trends.

 

[mo60]

it's gonna be 3 delegates or less depending on the final margin

Now Hilary is 0.1% ahead according to nytimes.Let's hope it stays that way.

 

[DataStream]

Clinton finally pops ahead on CNN and NYT

 

[thefro]

If Trump called Hillary a cunt during one of the debates, would Jim Gray have a shot of beating Rand Paul?

My prediction is Jim Gray will do better than Jack Conway or Alison Grimes did.

 

[AntraxSuicide]

Going to be 2-4 points in the end, Clinton, going by current voting trends.

That would be great. If she can just keep Oregon from being worse than Washington, the narrative (especially after Bernie's god-awful non-statement about the death threats and whatnot) won't be able to spin this one. Stick a fork in him.

Edit: And that's a phrase, not a death threat. Don't stick forks in him.