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[metalslimer]

Really, extremists are just bad and awful in general, on any spectrum or belief system.

Yep, to be honest I would rather the democratic party be take over by a group of Joe Liebermans than the hardcore Tea Party left. I certainly don't dislike them more than the people trying to strip away minority rights.

 

[hawk2025]

There are now two Politifact threads.


Y'all a mess.

 

[Slayven]

I'll put it another way

The Clinton Campaign is competent

Says a lot when the guy that believes in UFOs is the more sane of 2 comparable people

 

[johnsmith]

Is anybody else surprised this Nevada thing is actually blowing up? I'm guessing the Sanders campaign did, and that's why they thought they could get away with such a shitty statement. Bernie Bros have been running the gamergate handbook for half a year now and it hadn't gotten much attention until now.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

I just saw this gem in my Facebook feed from a former Ron Paul acolyte, now Bernie Bro:

How anybody can watch the wire and condemn any character individually. The shows entire thesis is people are trying to get by but institutions keep failing, what are for the most part, well meaning individuals.

 

[hawk2025]

It's becoming clear that they need outrage to stoke the fire and keep the campaign donations coming.

How anybody can watch the wire and condemn any character individually. The shows entire thesis is people are trying to get by but institutions keep failing, what are for the most part, well meaning individuals.

But you see, the whole show is about the white mayor.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

BATON ROUGE - A Louisiana Senate bill intended to restrict the age of employees at strip clubs included a proposed amendment to limit employed strippers' weights.

The amendment was with withdrawn before the Senate voted on the bill.

Vitter lives on through this arm.

http://www.wbrz.com/news/senate-bill-included-amendment-aiming-to-limit-stripper-weight

 

[Valhelm]

Really, extremists are just bad and awful in general, on any spectrum or belief system.

I disagree. MLK, Abraham Lincoln, and Alexander Hamilton were all considered extremists by detractors, but their efforts were necessary to make our nation better.

 

[Frozenprince]

Is anybody else surprised this Nevada thing is actually blowing up? I'm guessing the Sanders campaign did, and that's why they thought they could get away with such a shitty statement. Bernie Bros have been running the gamergate handbook for half a year now and it hadn't gotten much attention until now.

Which is fucking hysterical to me.

If Bernie had spent more than just the last 10 months campaigning and run, you know, a relatively normal and stable campaign like Hillary, he might have actually managed to at least put up a fight.

 

[Tranqueris]

Hell, if anything the Clinton camp helped give them a heads-up 2 days in advance, if I understood it correctly, by pointing that out.



Being very honest: I have a probably irrational fear of being doxxed if the thread ends up catching on.

But it's already been posted on the main NV thread and hasn't really caught on. No one cares about reality a couple days after the initial shock.

I have an irrational (but still totally possible fear) of one those Bernie supporters doing something awful with my telephone number if I tell them that I already voted for Hillary in California.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

(Trump called Oakland and Ferguson two of the most dangerous cities he could think of while the Syrian and Yemen wars are still going on).

 

[Retromelon]

I think 40+ percent of primary votes qualifies as a fight. Clinton machine too strong. The establishment wins, fatality

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

In the end were the memes too dank, or not dank enough?

 

[User 85168]

This is how fascism comes to America


Pretty good opinion article. Some choice quotes:

To understand how such movements take over a democracy, one only has to watch the Republican Party today. These movements play on all the fears, vanities, ambitions and insecurities that make up the human psyche. In democracies, at least for politicians, the only thing that matters is what the voters say they want — vox populi vox dei. A mass political movement is thus a powerful and, to those who would oppose it, frightening weapon. When controlled and directed by a single leader, it can be aimed at whomever the leader chooses. If someone criticizes or opposes the leader, it doesn’t matter how popular or admired that person has been. He might be a famous war hero, but if the leader derides and ridicules his heroism, the followers laugh and jeer. He might be the highest-ranking elected guardian of the party’s most cherished principles. But if he hesitates to support the leader, he faces political death.

In such an environment, every political figure confronts a stark choice: Get right with the leader and his mass following or get run over. The human race in such circumstances breaks down into predictable categories — and democratic politicians are the most predictable. There are those whose ambition leads them to jump on the bandwagon. They praise the leader’s incoherent speeches as the beginning of wisdom, hoping he will reward them with a plum post in the new order. There are those who merely hope to survive. Their consciences won’t let them curry favor so shamelessly, so they mumble their pledges of support, like the victims in Stalin’s show trials, perhaps not realizing that the leader and his followers will get them in the end anyway.

A great number will simply kid themselves, refusing to admit that something very different from the usual politics is afoot. Let the storm pass, they insist, and then we can pick up the pieces, rebuild and get back to normal. Meanwhile, don’t alienate the leader’s mass following. After all, they are voters and will need to brought back into the fold. As for Trump himself, let’s shape him, advise him, steer him in the right direction and, not incidentally, save our political skins.

What these people do not or will not see is that, once in power, Trump will owe them and their party nothing. He will have ridden to power despite the party, catapulted into the White House by a mass following devoted only to him. By then that following will have grown dramatically. Today, less than 5 percent of eligible voters have voted for Trump. But if he wins the election, his legions will comprise a majority of the nation. Imagine the power he would wield then. In addition to all that comes from being the leader of a mass following, he would also have the immense powers of the American presidency at his command: the Justice Department, the FBI, the intelligence services, the military. Who would dare to oppose him then? Certainly not a Republican Party that laid down before him even when he was comparatively weak. And is a man like Trump, with infinitely greater power in his hands, likely to become more humble, more judicious, more generous, less vengeful than he is today, than he has been his whole life? Does vast power un-corrupt?

This is how fascism comes to America, not with jackboots and salutes (although there have been salutes, and a whiff of violence) but with a television huckster, a phony billionaire, a textbook egomaniac “tapping into” popular resentments and insecurities, and with an entire national political party — out of ambition or blind party loyalty, or simply out of fear — falling into line behind him.

 

[Dan]

How anybody can watch the wire and condemn any character individually. The shows entire thesis is people are trying to get by but institutions keep failing, what are for the most part, well meaning individuals.

I have no clue. The guy's a nutter. He didn't try to justify that conclusion.

But you see, the whole show is about the white mayor.

And we all can see how clearly he resembled Hillary Clinton.

Vitter lives on through this arm.

http://www.wbrz.com/news/senate-bill-included-amendment-aiming-to-limit-stripper-weight

Republicans sure do have their priorities straight.

 

[Frozenprince]

I think 40+ percent of primary votes qualifies as a fight. Clinton machine too strong. The establishment wins, fatality

Not really. It hasn't been competitive since week 1.

 

[Paskil]

(Trump called Oakland and Ferguson two of the most dangerous cities he could think of while the Syrian and Yemen wars are still going on).

Huma later commented that she last saw Podesta walking away from his computer, humming the X-Files theme.

 

[HUELEN10]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/19/u...mpaign-accuses-head-of-dnc-of-favoritism.html

Found this NYT article, and thought it was interesting. Basically it says that if Clinton gets the Latino's votes, she could beat Sanders.

 

[User1608]

Yep, to be honest I would rather the democratic party be take over by a group of Joe Liebermans than the hardcore Tea Party left. I certainly don't dislike them more than the people trying to strip away minority rights.

Oh, don't remind me of Lieberman.😞 Never forget his vote on ACA...

I disagree. MLK, Abraham Lincoln, and Alexander Hamilton were all considered extremists by detractors, but their efforts were necessary to make our nation better.

Perhaps my view was a bit narrow but what you said does make sense and they are great men.

 

[pigeon]

I think 40+ percent of primary votes qualifies as a fight. Clinton machine too strong. The establishment wins, friendship

Fixed?

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/19/u...mpaign-accuses-head-of-dnc-of-favoritism.html

Found this NYT article, and thought it was interesting. Basically says that if Clinton gets the Latinos, she could beat Sanders.

>"The Latinos"

>Clinton beating Sanders being in question

 

[User 463088]

I mean, that article is just stupid. Bernie's plan is stupid and insulting. He knows he can't actually win, but gosh dog it, he deserves it anyway. Why bother with elections then? We'll just have glorious revolution. We'll make the damn Bird the Secretary of State, and Susan Sarandon can go to Transportation. Who cares what the people want.

Ugh. Plz Hillary, go scare 92 super delegates so we can never, ever talk about Bernie Sanders ever, ever again.

 

[HUELEN10]

The article talks about how close California is, don't count Sanders out just yet. At least wait until all the states are done, don't even have to wait until the DNC.

 

[metalslimer]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/19/u...mpaign-accuses-head-of-dnc-of-favoritism.html

Found this NYT article, and thought it was interesting. Basically it says that if Clinton gets the Latino's votes, she could beat Sanders.

They said he also held out hope of capitalizing on any late stumbles by Mrs. Clinton or any damage to her candidacy, whether by scandal or by the presumptive Republican nominee, Donald J. Trump.

What a fucking disgrace

 

[smurfx]

i got some mailer from some group called the silent majority. guess it's some bernie sanders group since they are asking to vote for him in the california primary and others like kamala harris and several judges. first mailer i've gotten. it also says millennials for effective government. this kinda stuff i like since they are asking to vote for others besides just bernie.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

The article talks about how close California is, don't count Sanders out just yet. At least wait until all the states are done, don't even have to wait until the DNC.

California being close is bad for Bernie. CA has a ton of early voting as well, so polls showing ties or losses for him now are going to be reflected in the totals.

 

[jack_package_200]

i got some mailer from some group called the silent majority. guess it's some bernie sanders group since they are asking to vote for him in the california primary and others like kamala harris and several judges. first mailer i've gotten. it also says millennials for effective government. this kinda stuff i like since they are asking to vote for others besides just bernie.

> Silent Majority

> Bernie Supporters

Does not compute

 

[Aaron Strife]

Vitter lives on through this arm.

http://www.wbrz.com/news/senate-bill-included-amendment-aiming-to-limit-stripper-weight

Lol what

What is this the No Fatties Act of 2016?

 

[eBay Huckster]

If Sanders loses CA by any less than 6 points I'm gonna stop posting for a month

 

[shinra-bansho]

He can win every single remaining pledged delegate, not just the 475 in Cali, and still doesn't have enough for the nomination.

 

[Holmes]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/19/u...mpaign-accuses-head-of-dnc-of-favoritism.html

Found this NYT article, and thought it was interesting. Basically it says that if Clinton gets the Latino's votes, she could beat Sanders.

In California? She's won them in Arizona, Nevada, Texas and Florida. There's literally no reason - none - to believe she won't win them convincingly in California. Actually, latinos in SoCal alone will negate any advantage Sanders has in Alameda, San Mateo, San Francisco and Marin.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Newt is calling Bill Clinton a child rapist on Fox apparently. Bold strategy since Newt was literally succeeded by a child rapist as Speaker of the House.

 

[Frozenprince]

If Sanders loses CA by any less than 6 points I'm gonna stop posting for a month

He's probably down over 10 points from write-ins alone.

 

[smurfx]

> Silent Majority

> Bernie Supporters

Does not compute

i got confused because there is some pac for trump called the silent majority as well.

 

[Macho Madness]

Maddow is interviewing Kaine right now.

 

[Aaron Strife]

He can win every single remaining pledged delegate, not just the 475 in Cali, and still doesn't have enough for the nomination.

Yup. He'd need superdelegates to tip it in his favor.

Funny that people have made that same argument against Hillary (she needs superdelegates so she's really losing lol) except she could still win the nomination by winning every remaining delegate, however minor of a chance that is.

If she won every delegate in California, New Jersey and I dunno, one of the loser states she'd be over 2384.

 

[VendettaRed07]

Top ten approval ratings for Governors

1 CHARLIE BAKER (R-MA) 72% 16%
2 LARRY HOGAN (R-MD) 71% 16%
3 MATT MEAD (R-WY) 67% 24%
4 JACK MARKELL (D-DE) 66% 23%
5 GARY HERBERT (R-UT) 64% 23%
6 JACK DALRYMPLE (R-ND) 63% 20%
7 BILL HASLAM (R-TN) 63% 22%
8 ASA HUTCHINSON (R-AR) 62% 22%
9 BRIAN SANDOVAL (R-NV) 62% 20%
10 BILL WALKER (I-AK)

Bottom Ten

1 SAM BROWNBACK (R-KS) 65% 26%
2 DAN MALLOY (D-CT) 64% 29%
3 RICK SNYDER (R-MI) 63% 32%
4 CHRIS CHRISTIE (R-NJ) 60% 36%
5 PAUL LEPAGE (R-ME) 58% 38%
6 BRUCE RAUNER (R-IL) 54% 34%
7 SCOTT WALKER (R-WI) 53% 43%
8 GINA RAIMONDO (D-RI) 53% 41%
9 MATT BEVIN (R-KY) 48% 33%
10 MARY FALLIN (R-OK) 47% 42%

Malloy, more disliked than Rick Snyder, the guy who literally poisoned children.

 

[Holmes]

If Sanders loses CA by any less than 6 points I'm gonna stop posting for a month

It'll be a modest 8 - 10 point victory for Clinton. She'll sweep SoCal, save for maybe San Luis Obispo, and win in the Central Valley. Sanders will win the northern part of the state north of the Bay Area, and the Bay Area will be a wash - she'll win Sacramento (not really in the Bay Area though), Solano, Napa, Santa Clara, probably Contra Costa and maaaaybe Alameda if Clinton's margin in Oakland is able to overpower Sanders' margin in Berkeley, and he'll win Santa Cruz, San Mateo, San Francisco, Marin and Sonoma.

Just for fun, this is how I think it'll play out on the 7th.

 

[Aaron Strife]

Top ten approval ratings for Governors

1 CHARLIE BAKER (R-MA) 72% 16%
2 LARRY HOGAN (R-MD) 71% 16%
3 MATT MEAD (R-WY) 67% 24%
4 JACK MARKELL (D-DE) 66% 23%
5 GARY HERBERT (R-UT) 64% 23%
6 JACK DALRYMPLE (R-ND) 63% 20%
7 BILL HASLAM (R-TN) 63% 22%
8 ASA HUTCHINSON (R-AR) 62% 22%
9 BRIAN SANDOVAL (R-NV) 62% 20%
10 BILL WALKER (I-AK)

Bottom Ten

1 SAM BROWNBACK (R-KS) 65% 26%
2 DAN MALLOY (D-CT) 64% 29%
3 RICK SNYDER (R-MI) 63% 32%
4 CHRIS CHRISTIE (R-NJ) 60% 36%
5 PAUL LEPAGE (R-ME) 58% 38%
6 BRUCE RAUNER (R-IL) 54% 34%
7 SCOTT WALKER (R-WI) 53% 43%
8 GINA RAIMONDO (D-RI) 53% 41%
9 MATT BEVIN (R-KY) 48% 33%
10 MARY FALLIN (R-OK) 47% 42%

Malloy, more disliked than Rick Snyder, the guy who literally positioned children.

Mad that Dayton isn't #1. What the hell guys, he's awesome!

 

[RustyNails]

Are you fucking kidding me? O'Keeffe isn't in jail? He fucking tried to wiretap a Senator's phone, you'd think that would be good for a couple of years in the pokey.

Not sure about that jerkface, but the video being upvoted was a year old.

 

[plagiarize]

If Sanders loses CA by any less than 6 points I'm gonna stop posting for a month

That's a bad bet. Demographics suggest a tight Clinton win, and where the demographics have contradicted the polls in that regard previously thought this primary season, the demographics have been right every time.

That doesn't mean they'll be right in California but they should absolutely give you pause before making a bet like that.

Edit: How the hell is Charlie Baker number 1? Eurgh.

 

[Spoiled Milk]

Macho, are you still watching Rachel? This 400-strong campaign idea is ingenious.

 

[Teggy]

Edit: How the hell is Charlie Baker number 1? Eurgh.

Do I have to explain this every time? Because he's a RINO.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Some low-life journalist claims that I "made a pass" at her 29 years ago. Never happened! Like the @nytimes story which has become a joke!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/733113480207798272

If you say so.

 

[User1608]

Edit: How the hell is Charlie Baker number 1? Eurgh.

I think he's been decent. My biggest caveat with him is his handling of the public accommodations bill.

 

[SolicitorPirate]

This rationale sounds a little like "Sanders is losing so I'm voting for Trump"

Not sure how you came to that conclusion but ok. I can still passionately support progressive values while thinking many so called progressives are pieces of shits with higher quality masks

 

[Aaron Strife]

Macho, are you still watching Rachel? This 400-strong campaign idea is ingenious.

What's that?

 

[plagiarize]

Do I have to explain this every time? Because he's a RINO.

I live in MA. I'm quite familiar with him, thank you very much.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

The Senator Mike Lee primaried actually believed Muslims were human beings.

Instead, with a slight slurring in his words, Bennett drew them close to express a dying wish: “Are there any Muslims in the hospital?” he asked.

“I’d love to go up to every single one of them to thank them for being in this country, and apologize to them on behalf of the Republican Party for Donald Trump,” Bennett told his wife and son, both of whom relayed this story to The Daily Beast.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...-for-donald-trump.html?source=TDB&via=FB_Page

Obvious RINO.

 

[Holmes]

The Senator Mike Lee primaried actually believed Muslims were human beings.



http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...-for-donald-trump.html?source=TDB&via=FB_Page

Obvious RINO.

That's kinda sad.