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dramatis

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Mr. Trump's Wild Ride
Melania Trump joined us on the patio; Trump doted on her throughout the meal, often touching her shoulder or leg and calling her “baby.” His eldest son, Donald Jr., sat with his wife at a nearby table, as did Trump’s grandchildren and his youngest son, 10-year-old Barron. Melania’s soft-spokenness and Lewandowski and Hicks’s deferentiality — both referred to Trump as “sir” and “Mr. Trump” — lent the whole tableau an Old World texture, like a Habsburg patriarch in repose. “This is fun, right?” Trump exclaimed. “Really! We’re having a good time!”
Very long piece following Trump on the campaign trail.

someone take my bet on the first page
Sure, if you're willing to keep the avatar for four years.
 
I can't believe that this election is going to boil down, in large part, to "should Muslims be banned from entering the United States?"

This is a question that Nazi Germany would have asked and somehow America is at that point right now.

edit: Vox's "we should make it easier to pass laws in America!" shit they've published recently is irritating when you consider that Trump could probably get Islam banned from America and all undocumented immigrants deported under their system.
 
That's a bad bet. Demographics suggest a tight Clinton win, and where the demographics have contradicted the polls in that regard previously thought this primary season, the demographics have been right every time.

I mean, on the one hand, if I'm right, I'm right

and if I'm wrong, I get to avoid OT for a month
 

mo60

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I can't believe that this election is going to boil down, in large part, to "should Muslims be banned from entering the United States?"

This is a question that Nazi Germany would have asked and somehow America is at that point right now.

edit: Vox's "we should make it easier to pass laws in America!" shit they've published recently is irritating when you consider that Donald "Nobody builds walls better than me" Trump could probably get Islam banned from America and all undocumented immigrants deported under their system.

If it boiled down to that trump has little chance of winning because if that becomes a key issue it may drive muslims to the polls to vote against him. That issue will drive muslims to the polls anyway in the GE. I find it funny how conservatives have a tendency to make muslims/islam an issue in an election. Making it an issue usually backfires on them horribly.
 
I have to say, that NYT article was extremely dispiriting. I know that Bernie's been buying own bullshit for a while, but to actually buy the conspiracy angle? I don't know. People flail, but this is sort of gross.
 
Downloaded all 500,000 voter registrations for my county in a spreadsheet. Among other things, it tracks every registered voter's participation in all elections and primaries back to May 2010.

Started looking up all the Bernie Or Bust people I know on Facebook.

Virtually none of them voted in the 2010 and 2014 midterms. Some haven't voted at all until this year's Dem primary, and they are all at least 28 years old. About half voted in the 2014 general and nothing else.

Check out the data for your county. It will probably confirm what you think.
 
I swear, if I hear "But Bernie could win in a General it's not over yet!" one more time, I'll fucking scream.

He really has brought out the worst of the left, he's Bizarro Trump.
 

Crocodile

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Macho, are you still watching Rachel? This 400-strong campaign idea is ingenious.

Seems hard to pull off for the sake that a local platform that sells in one state WON'T sell in another. Seems hard to get 400 candidates on all the same page. Also trying to rely only on small donations, avoid "career politicians" and the nebulousness of their vetting process I think will all lead to problems. It's still an interesting thing to try.
 
If the worst of the left is just a guy constantly complaining while having terrible supporters, that's a lot better than a guy supported by NeoNazis.

Oh it's brought out the racists on the left, as well.

They just don't think of themselves as racist or prejudiced. They think they "know what's best" for low information voters (read: black people).
 
Downloaded all 500,000 voter registrations for my county in a spreadsheet. Among other things, it tracks every registered voter's participation in all elections and primaries back to May 2010.

Started looking up all the Bernie Or Bust people I know on Facebook.

Virtually none of them voted in the 2010 and 2014 midterms. Some haven't voted at all until this year's Dem primary, and they are all at least 28 years old. About half voted in the 2014 general and nothing else.

Check out the data for your county. It will probably confirm what you think.

Where can I find these things?
 
Trump says he's not a misogynist because Bill Clinton is a rapist.

Okay.

Spoiler alert:

More spoilers just in case.

Bill Clinton is not running for president in 2016.
 
Engaging my inner ten year old.

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Wow. Obama will really go down as one of the truly great, transformative presidents. From Rachel Maddow:

When President Obama took office, gay and lesbian soldiers were prohibited from serving openly, transgender Americans were banned altogether, and women were excluded from combat units. Now, as Obama gets ready to leave office, DADT a thing of the past; there's no prohibition on transgender Americans serving in uniform; the Pentagon has made women eligible for combat roles; and the Secretary of the Army is an openly gay man.

Also:
What's that?
I can't remember his name or the name of his organization but there's a guy who's trying to organize what's essentially a presidential election... during the midterms. He's going to run 400 similar candidates at the same time all across the country on the same progressive platform Sanders is running on. And he wants to give it the same attention that a presidential campaign would have, with the same kind of donations and the same kind of energy.

In my opinion, that's very smart! There's all this underutilized energy right now in the Democratic party which needs to be realized during the midterms. My only issue: if he's running 400 candidates, then that means he either needs to run against Democrats during the general or he needs to run them during the primary. If he runs against Democrats, that's doomed to fail. If he runs during the primary, then they become Democrats... and are more or less trapped into the cycle of Democratic politics.

Seems hard to pull off for the sake that a local platform that sells in one state WON'T sell in another. Seems hard to get 400 candidates on all the same page. Also trying to rely only on small donations, avoid "career politicians" and the nebulousness of their vetting process I think will all lead to problems. It's still an interesting thing to try.

Right, it is interesting. It's interesting because it's unique. It sounds like a party... but it's not quite one, because this is a) meant to be a one time takeover and b) could still happen within the Democratic party, like a sect or caucus or something. Presidential elections get all the attention, and it's so it's very hard for individual candidates in house elections to get attention, but if you run a platform, and not a single person, then suddenly people get very excited (I mean, they ARE already excited, just look at the crazy Bernie fans everywhere) and ask "Ok, who's the platform candidate in my area?" So it ends up working just like a political party is supposed to but it manages to avoid officially being tied to the party (which anti-establishment yuckos would never abide) while seeming fresh, new, and not to mention officially supported by Bernie Sanders (he would support something like this, absolutely).

Some people tried this before. You might remember them as the American Reform Party. Donald Trump was actually a part of this party! They also had a spirit animal in the form of Ross Perot (or was it Ralph Nader?). Clearly they didn't get very far. But I think Bernie Sanders as a spirit animal has a lot more appeal than Ross Perot (or Ralph Vader).
 

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Trump says he's not a misogynist because Bill Clinton is a rapist.

Okay.

Spoiler alert:

More spoilers just in case.

Bill Clinton is not running for president in 2016.

That's not the point, Trump will say Hillary protected Bill and tried to destroy the reputation of the women that accused him. There was some super pac or some such some thing ago that was running such ads, can't find them right now.
 
That's not the point, Trump will say Hillary protected Bill and tried to destroy the reputation of the women that accused him. There was some super pac or some such some thing ago that was running such ads, can't find them right now.

Trump associates with Alex Jones.

Today Alex Jones claimed that Barack Obama personally murdered Joan Rivers to hide the fact that Michelle Obama is transgender.

Trump still believes that Rafael Cruz killed JFK and that Obama is a Muslim.

No one is going to believe Trump when he says that Hillary tried to destroy the reputations of those women.
 

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Trump associates with Alex Jones.

Today Alex Jones claimed that Barack Obama personally murdered Joan Rivers to hide the fact that Michelle Obama is transgender.

Trump still believes that Rafael Cruz killed JFK and that Obama is a Muslim.

No one is going to believe Trump when he says that Hillary tried to destroy the reputations of those women.

Those women will say it themselves, like Paula Jones has been doing over the past few months, and of course plenty of people will believe it, haven't you been paying attention?
 

Valhelm

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What's the deal with the Bill Clinton rape thing? I hadn't heard a word about that until this election cycle.
 
This is like 40% of Republicans, or 16% of the general voting public.

Trump could claim Hillary was a block of cheese created by the lizard people from Mars to steal earth women and that 16% would believe him.
Hey, I think it's more than that, but you're right that these are already the people predisposed to dislike Hillary in every way.

What I love, though, is the Fox News poll from January which found that 55% of people think Bill Clinton is more respectful to women than Donald Trump. Ha! Can't wait for the general.

What's the deal with the Bill Clinton rape thing? I hadn't heard a word about that until this election cycle.

Bill Clinton wasn't running for Vice Admiral of the Economy until this election cycle.
 

Valhelm

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That new york times article made me feel bad

All these "real side of Donald Trump" pieces suggest he's surprisingly uncertain, and nowhere near as bombastic in person. I wonder how that could affect the coming months, as he goes against perhaps the most seasoned candidate in American history.
 
After engaging with some Bernie Sander's supporters on facebook, I was pretty steamed. Then I played DOOM for an hour. Now I feel extremely relaxed.

Ah DOOM. Letting me harmlessly get my aggression out since 1993.
 
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