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[Deleted member 231381]

What about Dukkakis and Bob Dole?

I don't think anyone would want Bob Dole to stump for them. Prior to this election, he was the most disliked Presidential candidate of all time (now only 3rd, alas). Dukakis did, I think? I remember him stumping for Warren's Senate run, so I assume he did so for Obama's presidential. He's just not exactly a big gun, is he?

 

[User 463088]

DNC basement with skeletons of forgotten candidates

Yes...that's where he is. : cough : Totally...he's....he's not in my bed....because that would be cray-cray.

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We totally caucused....

What about Dukkakis and Bob Dole?

Bob Dole doesn't believe in supporting someone whose name isn't Bob Dole.

Bob Dole.

 

[NeoXChaos]

 

[Captain Pants]

Glad to see he didn't make a stink out of this, and is actually treating it like a good thing. Granted, he's being dickish by implying that all Hillary and DWS care about are corporate interests, but it's a step in the right direction.

 

[hawk2025]

Nice

 

[balladofwindfishes]

I thought he'd whine about it not being enough, but he seems alright with it.

Maybe he is actually capable of compromise.

 

[User 463088]

I'll take it.

 

[Y2Kev]

Guess this really confirms he's not crab.

Honestly he seems like he needs an off ramp.

 

[DataStream]

Great statement by Bernie. Feeling optimistic about him being a positive force in the election post-primary for the first time in months.

 

[kess]

Thank fuck

 

[nature boy]

People really thought he was going to fragment the Democratic party?

 

[Deleted member 231381]

Guess this really confirms he's not crab.

You were close but wrong Sanders, I'm actually Larry.

Spoiler

(I'm not, but I have met him).

 

[Outdoor Miner]

Great statement by Bernie. Feeling optimistic about him being a positive force in the election post-primary for the first time in months.

He's still going to have protestors outside the DNC.

 

[Slacker]

People really thought he was going to fragment the Democratic party?

He started doing that when he said Clinton was unqualified to be president.

 

[jack_package_200]

He's still going to have protestors outside the DNC.

As long as its peaceful and chairs aren't thrown I think it would be fine.

 

[Veritigo_X]

Glad he's taking this route. I'm seeing some of his supporters arguing that Hillary is essentially appointing 10 members (her 6 plus DWS's 4) so Sanders is getting screwed in this deal. Hopefully this statement makes them change their tone.

 

[User 463088]

I love how our Bernie bar of adequacy has become so low we'll literally take anything that doesn't involve the words "fraud," "establishment," "democratic whores," or "money laundering" as a win.

Although this is a nice statement, so I'm totally not shitting on it. I agree that he's just looking for an off ramp at this point. I've said it before, he could have a place at the table in the party's future. He just needs to play his cards right.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Eh. I don't like ti the last line says that's what Clinton stands for. Those interests and not working people.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

I'm actually moderately surprised he accepted that offer. It's less generous than I think he could have gotten. He must think one of the Clinton nominations will be relatively amenable or something; I'll have to go do some more research.

 

[BanGy.nz]

He's still going to have protestors outside the DNC.

PUMAs did the same in 2008 but no one cared because Hillary was inside preaching the gospel of party unity.

 

[B-Dubs]

I'm actually moderately surprised he accepted that offer. It's less generous than I think he could have gotten. He must think one of the Clinton nominations will be relatively amenable or something; I'll have to go do some more research.

He had to know that was the best he was going to do. There's no way in hell they'd ever give him the 50/50 he wanted.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Everyone should listen to Terminal Redux by Vektor.

 

[User 463088]

He had to know that was the best he was going to do. There's no way in hell they'd ever give him the 50/50 he wanted.

He's also in no way entitled to a 50/50 split. He didn't earn 50% of the delegates or popular vote.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

I'm actually moderately surprised he accepted that offer. It's less generous than I think he could have gotten. He must think one of the Clinton nominations will be relatively amenable or something; I'll have to go do some more research.

If he pushed too hard, they just as easily could have shut him out of it entirely.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

He had to know that was the best he was going to do. There's no way in hell they'd ever give him the 50/50 he wanted.

I agree, 50/50 was too much, but the Drafting Convention needs a two-thirds majority to be able to pass anything, so I'm surprised he didn't push for 6 of 15 so that the 'Sanders bloc' had putative veto powers. 6 for Sanders and 9 for Clinton is actually pretty close to their share of delegates (it's about 40/60), so it would have been a fair outcome. DWS shouldn't have been included in the conversation, nor given any picks.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

If he pushed too hard, they just as easily could have shut him out of it entirely.

I don't think this is true. I mean, you have to admit the prospect of Sanders running as an independent, or even refusing to endorse Clinton, is worrying. As I was saying to pigeon in another thread, it's a game of chicken, and I think Sanders swerved too early.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Trump with another white nationalist delegate.

https://twitter.com/chrismassie/status/734832659269046274

Note: Not safe for life, extremely anti-Muslim meme.

 

[Slacker]

I'm curious what /r/politics will do when Bernie eventually drops out. Redirect to /r/the_donald? I haven't done it in a while, so I counted the first 50 stories on the front page to see what they're talking about these days.

Pro Bernie stories: 12
Anti Hillary stories: 26
Donald Trump stories: 2
Other political stories: 10

 

[DataStream]

He's still going to have protestors outside the DNC.

There would be far left protestors outside even if he dropped out month's ago.

 

[Abinash117]

Glad he's taking this route. I'm seeing some of his supporters arguing that Hillary is essentially appointing 10 members (her 6 plus DWS's 4) so Sanders is getting screwed in this deal. Hopefully this statement makes them change their tone.

But is it a little bit true? He will get some more swath in drafting the platform, but it might still make a difference as some of the DNC members will side with Hillary when the platform is drafted.

I agree, 50/50 was too much, but the Drafting Convention needs a two-thirds majority to be able to pass anything, so I'm surprised he didn't push for 6 of 15 so that the 'Sanders bloc' had putative veto powers. 6 for Sanders and 9 for Clinton is actually pretty close to their share of delegates (it's about 40/60), so it would have been a fair outcome. DWS shouldn't have been included in the conversation, nor given any picks.

The idea is he probably will still need support of either the DNC or the Hillary members to get anything done. He'll have to compromise.

 

[User 463088]

I agree, 50/50 was too much, but the Drafting Convention needs a two-thirds majority to be able to pass anything, so I'm surprised he didn't push for 6 of 15 so that the 'Sanders bloc' had putative veto powers. 6 for Sanders and 9 for Clinton is actually pretty close to their share of delegates (it's about 40/60), so it would have been a fair outcome. DWS shouldn't have been included in the conversation, nor given any picks.

The Chairperson of the DNC shouldn't have been involved in the selection of the people on the Drafting Committee? u w8 m8?

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Although I don't want her as DNC chair but whatever.

But is it a little bit true? He will get some more swath in drafting the platform, but it might still make a difference as some of the DNC members will side with Hillary when the platform is drafted.

But...he didn't win the primary....so he's not entitled to any large say than what he's earned. It's essentially split based on where the number of delegates is going to end up. As to the DNC members...uh, the fact that they don't support Bernie isn't a flaw in the system. The party itself should have a say in the platform we're crafting since, you know, we have to run on and defend it.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

I don't think this is true. I mean, you have to admit the prospect of Sanders running as an independent, or even refusing to endorse Clinton, is worrying. As I was saying to pigeon in another thread, it's a game of chicken, and I think Sanders swerved too early.

He can't run independent, not unless some other party wants him. And doing so means he can kiss his Senate committees good bye.

The DNC holds the cards here. They always have this entire process.

 

[NeoXChaos]

https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/734831467256287233

 

[Y2Kev]

Debbie should be forced to play Wii u games until she goes to prison with Hillary.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

The Chairperson of the DNC shouldn't have been involved in the selection of the people on the Drafting Committee? u w8 m8?

Spoiler

Although I don't want her as DNC chair but whatever.

Literally nobody wants her as DNC chair, which is kinda the point. I mean, she won't be DNC chair when her term ends, which is what, January? Doesn't seem likely Clinton keeps her. Having a lame duck chair that nobody likes with a track record of bias and terrible decisions keeping nearly a third of the influence seems like a pretty terrible idea.

 

[Crayons]

Debbie should be forced to play Wii u games until she goes to prison with Hillary.

too easy. make her play vita games

 

[Rebel Leader]

Debbie should be forced to play Wii u games until she goes to prison with Hillary.

You act as if that's a punishment.

 

[Y2Kev]

too easy. make her play vita games

No comment

 

[User 463088]

Debbie should be forced to play Wii u games until she goes to prison with Hillary.

What's wrong with Wii U games?

Watchdogs on Wii U was a joy to play.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

He can't run independent, not unless some other party wants him. And doing so means he can kiss his Senate committees good bye.

The DNC holds the cards here. They always have this entire process.

There's always this: http://www.salon.com/2016/04/25/jil...sanders_to_cooperate_on_political_revolution/

He doesn't need to do well, he just needs to be able to threaten to divert enough votes from Clinton that she would lose. Even Nader did that; and if Sanders can, then he's a threat and has leverage.

And again, Sanders is 74. He's probably not got much left of his political career. What's the point of senate committees? It's all about the impact he makes on the party; that's his legacy. Hold Clinton's feet to the fire; at least until the convention is over.

 

[Crayons]

Picture Hillary Clinton and DWS being forced to play Neptunia ports on Vita in prison

 

[JP_]

People really thought he was going to fragment the Democratic party?

You must not read poligaf often. So much talk about how Bernie is only in it for himself and his selfish ego and how he's old and will bern the whole thing down and destroy the party, and he's also a racist.

 

[nature boy]

Someone said something of Bernie winning California (in theory):

Political Polls ‏@PpollingNumbers 4m4 minutes ago
Political Polls Retweeted Benchmark Politics
California Democratic Primary
June 7 (475 delegates):

Clinton 57% (+18%)
Sanders 39%

@surveyusa/@ABC7

 

[balladofwindfishes]

There's always this: http://www.salon.com/2016/04/25/jil...sanders_to_cooperate_on_political_revolution/

He doesn't need to do well, he just needs to be able to threaten to divert enough votes from Clinton that she would lose. Even Nader did that; and if Sanders can, then he's a threat and has leverage.

And again, Sanders is 74. He's probably not got much left of his political career. What's the point of senate committees? It's all about the impact he makes on the party; that's his legacy. Hold Clinton's feet to the fire; at least until the convention is over.

His legacy if he runs third party is to be thrown in the pile with Nader and only ever remembered for throwing the election.

Is that the legacy he wants to leave?

 

[Mike M]

https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/734831467256287233

Of all the things I hate about Twitter, it being a driver behind the proliferation of images of text is what I hate the most.

 

[NeoXChaos]

Someone said something of Bernie winning California (in theory):

 

[User 463088]

Someone said something of Bernie winning California (in theory):

The poll results, released on Monday, showed that Clinton would defeat Sanders 57 percent to 39 percent. The results of the poll showed that Sanders continues to lead among the youngest voters, while Clinton leads by 12 points among voters age 35 to 49.

The poll showed that Clinton also leads by 34 points among voters age 50 to 64, and she leads by 45 points among voters age 65 and above.

Also, Clinton has majority support among every income group, while Sanders leads by 2:1 among first-time primary voters.

Ya....Uh....Cali ain't gonna be Bernie's friend. In theory, he'd have been well served to get out before it to spare himself any appearance of voters actually offering a repudiation of him as a candidate. That's an optics argument, though.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

His legacy if he runs third party is to be thrown in the pile with Nader and only ever remembered for throwing the election.

Is that the legacy he wants to leave?

Again, the point is not to actually run as an independent. The point is to make Clinton worry he will to get as many concessions as possible. I don't actually want him to run as an independent. It would be a terrible idea, I don't want President Trump. However, if I were him, I'd be dropping hints about it, maybe have something leak suggesting I was looking at the legal proceedings for getting my name on the ballot, have an aide accidentally suggest it, stuff like that. If Clinton thinks that Sanders will back her come what may, she has absolutely no reason to do anything. Got to put the fear of Trump into her to get any concessions.

 

[User 463088]

Again, the point is not to actually run as an independent. The point is to make Clinton worry he will to get as many concessions as possible. I don't actually want him to run as an independent. It would be a terrible idea, I don't want President Trump. However, if I were him, I'd be dropping hints about it, maybe have something leak suggesting I was looking at the legal proceedings for getting my name on the ballot, have an aide accidentally suggest it, stuff like that. If Clinton thinks that Sanders will back her come what may, she has absolutely no reason to do anything. Got to put the fear of Trump into her to get any concessions.

So, we've now reached essentially literal blackmail to get his way?

 

[hawk2025]

Again, the point is not to actually run as an independent. The point is to make Clinton worry he will to get as many concessions as possible. I don't actually want him to run as an independent. It would be a terrible idea, I don't want President Trump. However, if I were him, I'd be dropping hints about it, maybe have something leak suggesting I was looking at the legal proceedings for getting my name on the ballot, have an aide accidentally suggest it, stuff like that. If Clinton thinks that Sanders will back her come what may, she has absolutely no reason to do anything. Got to put the fear of Trump into her to get any concessions.

Of course, one can easily use the same logic and think one step ahead and call the bluff.

He conceded today because he has fuck-all bargaining power once California is over, and Clinton has been effectively ignoring him for almost a month.

He tried to take the brinksmanship further and no one flinched, so he's settling on these numbers.