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royalan

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It bears repeating: Hillary would have gotten skewered in 08 if she tried to dangle her 18 million supporters over Obama's head with some bullshit demands like this.

If I were Hillary, I'd send Bernie an IKEA catalog with a note that said "Have fun picking out my cabinet. And it's Swedish! Eh? Eh??? Smooches, Hill-Hill."
 
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sc0la

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I mean, if influencing cabinet positions is something he wanted he could have dropped out weeks ago and groveled at her feet to be her transition lead.

It worked for Christie.
 
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Crocodile

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Black Mamba said:
Seeing as how the cabinet comes out later after election, Hillary should just say whatever and move on.

Not like Bernie can hold her to her word. And it's not like they'll be consequences.

Just say he can have input.
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Crab said:
I think this is the most likely outcome, sadly.
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Why agree to something you have no intention of doing nor should have any intention of doing? So she can be called a liar and flip-flopper when she doesn't give Bernie any say in her cabinet?
 
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Ignatz Mouse

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Crab said:
Just having them same-day is good enough. I mean, the amount of people who participate in these kinds of shenanigans is tiny, primaries don't even get good turn-out from people who actually care in the first place and if they're on the same day, you can't vote in both. Forcing people to voting in the GE as they did in the primary is a pretty terrible idea, too - there's a minimum of four months of campaigning between those two events, sometimes more if you're an early primary state, and a lot of stuff can happen between then to legitimately change your mind.
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It's probably accurate. Same-day nationally would ensure that shenanigans are at a minimum, barring a party with an unopposed candidate. That's why the GE lock-- if the person you vote for in the primary gets the nom, you have to vote for them in the general-- so that you can't just try to torpedo the other party.

What's really needed is a change to the GE electoral process. These are all band-aids.
 
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Crocodile said:
Why agree to something you have no intention of doing nor should have any intention of doing? So she can be called a liar and flip-flopper when she doesn't give Bernie any say in her cabinet?
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Being called a liar and a flip-flopper in the first month of a four year presidency when Sanders will be more or less forgotten by the end of it is pretty costless, to be honest. I mean, she could just flat out say no, too - as I've said before, it's a giant game of bluff.
 
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User 463088

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Beer Monkey said:
The Onion: Bernie Sanders wants approval over Hillary's wardrobe choices.
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As long as she never wears that navy pantsuit with the white pockets again I'll be happy. She looked like an extra from Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland. Ugh. Her gay should be denied his gay card and banned from buying moisturizer for life.
 
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Black Mamba

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Crocodile said:
Why agree to something you have no intention of doing nor should have any intention of doing? So she can be called a liar and flip-flopper when she doesn't give Bernie any say in her cabinet?
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No. You say "we value your input and would great appreciate you providing it in helping me select the cabinet."

Then you can use it or not. It doesn't matter. If he rejects that, he looks stupid.


Most of this is standard political fare going on.

We're becoming too anti-Bernie in every way. The game is still the game.
 
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Black Mamba said:
No. You say "we value your input and would great appreciate you providing it in helping me select the cabinet."

Then you can use it or not. It doesn't matter. If he rejects that, he looks stupid.


Most of this is standard political fare going on.

We're becoming too anti-Bernie in every way. The game is still the game.
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Yup. It's common sense for everyone involved. I literally said this would happen yesterday: the next month and a bit until the convention (or at least until he has a bad loss) are going to see Sanders making increasingly escalating and hostile remarks to try and extract concessions, and Clinton is going to have to figure out where exactly she wants to call the bluff. That's standard politics.
 
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Crayons

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adam387 said:
As long as she never wears that navy pantsuit with the white pockets again I'll be happy. She looked like an extra from Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland. Ugh. Her gay should be denied his gay card and banned from buying moisturizer for life.
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I was thinking about the exact same outfit lmao I'm glad we're on the same page

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Over 30 ok? lol
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the last guy I was on a date with was 35
I'm 19
 
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Maledict

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Crab said:
I don't know, Sanders reaches a niche that Obama can't. I mean, obviously Obama's endorsement is more important overall, but I'd hope Sanders might be able to bring some of the low-income white males with him that both Obama and Clinton have historically struggled to reach. More Democratic votes is always good; I do want him to give a firm endorsement (when the time is right).
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Historically Clintons base was low income white males on 2008. It's how she won crushing victories in West Virginia, Kentucky and a whole host of other states back then.

As much as we'd like to pretend otherwise, there absolutely is a bit of the party that wouldn't vote for a black guy in 2008, and won't vote for a woman in 2016. They went for Clinton in 2008 for 'reasons', and they ar going for Sanders now for similar 'reasons'. I don't think anything will bring them home in the general.
 
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What a #take
 
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Black Mamba

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Crab said:
Yup. It's common sense for everyone involved. I literally said this would happen yesterday: the next month and a bit until the convention (or at least until he has a bad loss) are going to see Sanders making increasingly escalating and hostile remarks to try and extract concessions, and Clinton is going to have to figure out where exactly she wants to call the bluff. That's standard politics.
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After June 7th he's going to be so far behind in pledged delegates, he won't have any real case to make going forward.

Hopefully, Bernie keeps playing the normal political game then and signals it's over even if he holds on to convention to release then.

He's going to lose Cali and NJ badly and Hillary will be well over 2100 pledged.
 
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Maledict said:
Historically Clintons base was low income white males on 2008. It's how she won crushing victories in West Virginia, Kentucky and a whole host of other states back then.

As much as we'd like to pretend otherwise, there absolutely is a bit of the party that wouldn't vote for a black guy in 2008, and won't vote for a woman in 2016. They went for Clinton in 2008 for 'reasons', and they ar going for Sanders now for similar 'reasons'. I don't think anything will bring them home in the general.
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I agree with you, but I do think that Bernie's message of everything is rigged, it's all terrible, etc does play well with low income whites especially.
 
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Black Mamba said:
After June 7th he's going to be so far behind in pledged delegates, he won't have any real case to make going forward.

Hopefully, Bernie keeps playing the normal political game then and signals it's over even if he holds on to convention to release then.

He's going to lose Cali and NJ badly and Hillary will be well over 2100 pledged.
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Depending on margins, I can get her to 2230 or there abouts.
 
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Suikoguy

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shinra-bansho said:
I'm not really saying there should or shouldn't be choice. Ideally the US Congressional process would be more conducive to other parties. I have no idea how that would work at a Presidential level.

A minor coalition party will get a few policy concessions, maybe a cabinet post in exchange for confidence and supply. They'll need to be placated for key votes. The PM of Australia will not be the Green leader whoever that is.

This process occurs intraparty with wings/factions instead in the US. The practical outcome is relatively similar. The Tea Party needs to be placated or the government shuts down.
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Well, the Republicans had to choose to work with them or the Dems. They chose poorly.
 
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Black Mamba said:
After June 7th he's going to be so far behind in pledged delegates, he won't have any real case to make going forward.

Hopefully, Bernie keeps playing the normal political game then and signals it's over even if he holds on to convention to release then.

He's going to lose Cali and NJ badly and Hillary will be well over 2100 pledged.
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This is pretty much what I expect too. Honestly, this thread is getting way too worked up over pretty standard stuff. This primary is over, Clinton and Sanders have probably already reached an almost finished bargain, and we're just watching the final bits of shadow-boxing as they try and get whatever minor issue sorted out. It's all a bit dull to be honest.
 
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royalan

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Frankly, I'm surprised Bernie wants to take it to California.

Hillary's going to win the state, and likely by a healthy margin.

With so much of his hopes and dreams placed into that state, you'd think he'd want to spare himself the embarrassment.
 
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