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Did YouGov only sample white, fully abled, non-LGBT, non-Jewish men in Florida in this poll?

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Outside of that specific group, what people think that Trump "tells it like it is"?

If I interpret "tells it like it is." as "says whatever comes to mind PC be damned," then I can see it being 70%.
 

HylianTom

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Holy shit, this man has no business being anywhere near the office. Talk about lack of knowledge, experience, etc..

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In convo w/ coal exec, Trump agrees that restrictions on LNG export should be lifted. Then asks, "What's LNG?" snl.com/InteractiveX/A…
 

royalan

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"He could bankrupt America like he's bankrupted his companies," Clinton warned during remarks at the Service Employees International Union's annual convention. "Ask yourself: how could anybody lose money running a casino? Really."

Yikes Hillary. LOL

Has she been this blunt in her attacks on Trump before?
 
So does this mean Bernie is going back to Vermont finally?

Also, I can't recall where I read it, but I recall an article where it basically noted that the best way to influence the parties isn't by screaming at the sidelines. But actually joining them at an organisational level. And that it was exceedingly easy to do so.
 

Valhelm

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Yall over-estimate the FL latino vote. Lot of Cubans, and FL is just weird.

Cubans are nowhere near a majority of Florida Hispanics, it isn't 2000 anymore. A majority of Cuban voters might go to Trump, but not by any kind of landslide. Trump can win Florida, but only if he manages to turn out a lot of new voters, particularly poorer whites in Central and North Florida.

Remember, Romney lost Florida, and Trump has even less appeal among Hispanic voters. As Florida's Hispanic electorate becomes increasingly Puerto Rican, rather than Cuban, the entire state gets bluer.
 
Damn girl, spit that fire!

This is such a good line of attacks, though.

Think how inept the GOP was. In terms of bankruptcies, they attacked him so weakly and Trump just brushed it aside as saying "I used the laws of the country to my advantage."

Meanwhile, Hillary is going after what he prides most. "Hey, if you're so good at winning, why did you fail at something nobody fails at, a casino!?"

Anyway, another very TRUMP moment:

He said after his talk with Trump, he was convinced that he would surround himself with the right people who could advise him. He said that Trump was "all we got" and that Trump is "the horse to ride."

"He's got his head on right," Murray said.

During the meeting, Murray said Trump had asked him about numerous facets of U.S. energy policy. At one point, Murray said he would suggest lifting obstacles to opening liquefied natural gas, or LNG, export facilities to reduce the supply gut of natural gas in the country.

He said that Trump was agreeable with the idea, but then had a question.

"What's LNG?" Murray said Trump asked
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What a clown.

https://www.snl.com/InteractiveX/Article.aspx?cdid=A-36595275-11050
 
Yikes Hillary. LOL

Has she been this blunt in her attacks on Trump before?
Been waiting for ages on that "how could you fuck up a casino?" line. Hopefully it sticks around, because, well, it's hilarious. That's been my first argument to anyone who tries to talk about his cred of "success." Yeah I know Casinos are a business like any other, but seriously lol, come on.
Someone said something of Bernie winning California (in theory):
Sanders just needs to go from -18 to +45 in 2 weeks. Totally doable!
 

Crayons

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I don't get cubans. Yeah I get how your country became a communist shithole but that doesn't mean you have to be bitter forever
 
Been waiting for ages on that "how could you fuck up a casino?" line. Hopefully it sticks around, because, well, it's hilarious. That's been my first argument to anyone who tries to talk about his cred of "success." Yeah I know Casinos are a business like any other, but seriously lol, come on.Sanders just needs to go from -18 to +45 in 2 weeks. Totally doable!

Most people in Cali have probably already voted. We have a lot of main-in ballots.

So, election day voting might need to be a lot better for Sanders than +45!
 

Iolo

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I'm skeptical of Bernie will endorse formally. I say he will just say he'll vote for her. Besides an Obama endorsement is far, far more important than one from Sanders as most of his supporters will support her in the end and Obama endorsement will overshadow Bernie's.

He'll endorse in a written statement, and his convention speech will be his stump speech.

How do you plan on convincing a nuclear power to give up nuclear weapons? There's a reason the focus is always on stopping people before they get nukes.

Convince them they may be acquired by people they oppressed, if South Africa is any indication.
 

pigeon

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Cubans are nowhere near a majority of Florida Hispanics, it isn't 2000 anymore. A majority of Cuban voters might go to Trump, but not by any kind of landslide. Trump can win Florida, but only if he manages to turn out a lot of new voters, particularly poorer whites in Central and North Florida.

Remember, Romney lost Florida, and Trump has even less appeal among Hispanic voters. As Florida's Hispanic electorate becomes increasingly Puerto Rican, rather than Cuban, the entire state gets bluer.

I would also note that Romney didn't win Cuban-Americans in 2012. The Castro haters are aging out and being replaced by younger, assimilated Latinos. I don't see why Trump would win them if Romney couldn't.
 
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Convince them they may be acquired by people they oppressed, if South Africa is any indication.

Or promise to provide them defence if their territorial integrity is breached in the case of Ukraine and Kazakhstan.

N.B.: promises may or may not be kept.
 
Kentucky and WV voters will probably like this though. Hes not a politician trying to pander and is being honest about what he doesn't know. I want to drink beer with him!

It's not the part that he didn't know that makes him a clown. It's that he agreed on policy before asking what it is!
 

Iolo

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Or promise to provide them defence if their territorial integrity is breached in the case of Ukraine and Kazakhstan.

N.B.: promises may or may not be kept.

I'm good with literally any way of reducing the number of countries with nuclear weapons, short of nuking that country. Cajoling, lying, claiming you have a path to the nomination when you don't, cheating, shaming, etc.
 
I don't know, Sanders reaches a niche that Obama can't. I mean, obviously Obama's endorsement is more important overall, but I'd hope Sanders might be able to bring some of the low-income white males with him that both Obama and Clinton have historically struggled to reach. More Democratic votes is always good; I do want him to give a firm endorsement (when the time is right).

What makes you think that will happen because Bernie said so? We also need to know if those white male voters don't support Bernie in a purely practical view otherwise they won't go for Hillary because he is for wallstreet.
 
He called him among other things the first N-word-ised President. And a Republican in blackface.

The DNC had to see this coming.

I wonder if allowing him unrestricted picks for these committee seat means he agreed to suspend his campaign before June 7. They have to get something for this.

He is having cash problems.
 

Ether_Snake

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Watching Bloomberg.com's "With all due respect", they have been trashing non-stop at Clinton, nothing about Trump. Usually more balanced.
 
I mean, this is obviously an otherworld hypothetical, but I'm still confident you're talking total nonsense right now if you think that under a proportional system that a more leftwing party wouldn't talk votes away from the Democrats. People strongly dislike the established parties, it is implausible to suppose they would continue to vote for them in the same numbers given an alternative choice.



So, your reply is "well, if you got 49%, just get 51% next time", which sure, is true, but kind of misses the point. You shouldn't have to get 51% of the vote just to have influence; that's not a healthy political system. You ought to see a compromise, where, say, a 10% candidate, a 40% candidate, and a 50% candidate get to influence 10%, 40%, and 50% of the eventual platform - which is exactly what does happen in systems which have executive coalitions, and there's a long history of it working exactly this way. That creates a healthier democracy.



I mean, he has multiple forms of leverage. One is threatening to run as an independent, one is refusing to endorse, one is threatening to drag this out as long as possible, etc. Each has different degrees of credibility. I think Clinton is most worried by the second; if you were right and it were the third, he'd have conceded now he has made his bargain, and he hasn't. So I don't think the evidence supports you on this one.

On that first point, I suppose we just disagree. I just don't see that support for such a party.

On the second point, you don't fight for 51%, you fight for 3% within your party. In the Sanders example, Sanders has leverage if he thinks he's got enough votes within his caucus to swing the election that only he can bring. This is true for any caucus. I mean, right now, within the DNC, there are environmentalist groups, LGBT groups, crime reform groups, etc... In a proportional system, they might all be separate parties, but the effect is the same. Either do enough as a unit to work together and win, or fail separately if you piss off any group large enough to ruin you, which has a threshold of like 5%. How is this any different than a proportional system, except in the US, a party really means a coalition and a caucus really means a party?

As for the third, he just got his deal today. I've actually argued before that he's been waiting for a big loss to concede on, so he can make a really good concession speech that affects a lot of voters. Hillary's concession in '08 is widely considered one of her best speeches ever, and it was another good argument for her to make to the Obama campaign to specifically include her constituents in his messaging.

So I don't think Bernie's going to the convention for real, just until CA votes and he loses there. Then he'll be able to bow out on a real loss instead of by attrition.
 
I don't see why Trump would win them if Romney couldn't.

This right here is what I keep saying to people Diablosing over Trump, about pretty much every demographic. In its current incarnation, the GOP's ceiling was Romney. He's about as appealing as you can make the candidate for such a racist, sexist organization that still runs the Southern Strategy. Trump will fail every benchmark that Romney hit, and lose pretty badly in EVs. His popular vote percentage will still probably be 45%, cuz Merica.
 
I don't really see a huge functional difference between the two-party system and the two voting bloc system that operates in multi-party parliamentary systems.
 

Suikoguy

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I'm skeptical of Bernie will endorse formally. I say he will just say he'll vote for her. Besides an Obama endorsement is far, far more important than one from Sanders as most of his supporters will support her in the end and Obama endorsement will overshadow Bernie's.

It's one step forward one step back with Sanders.

The DNC has the budget committee seat being held over Sanders head.
Then who puts Cornell West in one of the concession seats to him?

I think Sanders is just an asshole.


I don't really see a huge functional difference between the two-party system and the two voting bloc system that operates in multi-party parliamentary systems.

It's easier for Voters to feel like they are voting someone who matches their interest. In the US case we compromise before we even vote in November.
 

Crocodile

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This is the most positive thing that has come out of the Sanders campaign in what feels like forever so its good to see. I see no need for the backhanded shot at the end though. Why? Why does he always do this? He's not the only one who cares about these issues.

Al Sharpton Calls Out Bernie Campaign Manager: You Didn’t Win Black Voters ‘Even In The North’

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/al-sharp...you-didnt-win-black-voters-even-in-the-north/

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People calling Jeff Weaver on his shit gives me life.

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Bernie named Cornel West as one of his appointees to the DNC Rules Committee.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...s-names-cornel-west-keith-ellison-to-platform

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Iolo

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thepotatoman

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Now that Scalia is gone, Clarence Thomas is our new national embarrassment




http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-court-juries-racial-bias-20160523-snap-story.html

Reading through the dissent, and it's just the usual extremely high burden of proof conservatives put on proving racial bias. Like how Thomas wants definitive proof the prosecutor was the one that wrote the notes or was influenced by the notes, when that's obviously not ever going to be provable when the prosecutor is using the "I don't recall" defense. I think it's a pretty safe assumption those notes were in fact written to aid the selection process and not just as some interns busywork, but i guess that's too big of an assumption for Thomas.

At least the other 3 conservatives can accept it when there's actual material evidence of direct discrimination, but it's so frustrating even something like this isn't an open and shut case for all conservatives.
 
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I don't really see a huge functional difference between the two-party system and the two voting bloc system that operates in multi-party parliamentary systems.

Two-party system relegates intrafaction fights to the party election system, which is often tightly controlled and usually ends up with winner-take-all resolution where one wing of the party ends up with total control (see: Blairite Labour). Coalitions require constant negotiation that promote consensual outcomes. This isn't controversial, it's comparative government 101 and I can dump a tonne of research papers here if you want.
 
Man, I didn't think of this and it would be awful and become a meme so fast.

Castro better get his ass on Duolingo if he wants a federal office.

Yep, there is, at least among my family and relatives, a major language barrier. For example, my parents and a lot of older relatives that I know are citizens but they're not fluent in English. Or at least they can mash it around well enough to get through the day. Someone like Castro would not be a good choice for them.

They're the kind of people who if they're at a doctors office or any kind of office and they meet someone who actually speaks Spanish then that's it, that's the only person they're going to speak to for the whole time they are there.
 

User1608

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Hopefully West stays cool at the very least instead of being an ass.

I have a positive feeling for Democrats the coming weeks otherwise.
 
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Not sure what you're saying? Are you just pointing out this did happen? I mean, Iran was dissuaded in this case but I don't think Waltz was wrong about that point in general; he was writing prior to the change in Iran's domestic politics which I think had more to do with it than US sanctions and the like - Iran went from wanting it to not wanting it partially independently of US actions. Regardless, it isn't the main point of his article, which is about how nuclear weapons can be a positive net good.
 
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