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PoliGAF 2016 |OT9| The Wrath of Khan!

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I'm gonna go counter to the popular opinion here and suggest the GOP would *love* if Trump siphoned off the Breitbart contingent of the party off of Fox News and eventually marginalized on cable channel in the 300s (lol starting a cable channel in 2017!).

Maybe not now, maybe not even next year or the year after that. But this is the party's exit ramp from fucking dangerous and crazy and back onto the highway of respectable conservative politics.

(lol)

While you're absolutely right that the GOP wants these people marginalized...they still want their vote. Fox News is a good way to control these people. If they're split between Fox News and whatever Trump may or may not come up with, they now have to pander to two different groups who have proven to often be opposed, deeply, to each other. The GOP has learned this year, they're having a hell of a time getting the Trump-wing to be good and do what they're told. They cannot afford to have to fight for that group each cycle. They need them to be inline so they can make a pivot towards the middle.
 
He's going to allow Ailes to harass the employees as much as he wants at TNN.
Well, if any of the women don't like it, they can just get another career. Or most of the women they hire will be too strong or too smart to be sexually harassed. /s
No outrage over Hillary's pillows? SAD!
I was showing that to my mom (She's bringing me crackers and gatorade because my bf and I are sick and I'm 99% sure I'm dying....and that he's dead.) She was livid. Like she said, she's the same age as Hillary. When you're a woman of a certain age, you may need a fucking pillow because your back fucking hurts. Mess.
 
If I were Clinton the number one thing I would do is make Trump look small, insecure, unfit.

Trump will look like a fool raging in his corner, and if she does it well enough he might just say something horrific outbif pure rage
 
I was showing that to my mom (She's bringing me crackers and gatorade because my bf and I are sick and I'm 99% sure I'm dying....and that he's dead.) She was livid. Like she said, she's the same age as Hillary. When you're a woman of a certain age, you may need a fucking pillow because your back fucking hurts. Mess.

It reaches new levels of stupidity, and that was after Hannity trying to imply Clinton has seizures because she was joking with reporters.

If Trump's going nastier than he's going to say this stupid shit. And the networks will actually discuss this because Trump.

Get well.


What's this pillow thing about?

Drudge report: Clinton uses pillows at some events, must be a health issue, so something's going on!
 
With all the crazy stupid things he does I had forgotten the John Barron stuff.

A major party candidate pretended to be a fake spokesman for himself for like a decade. Ludicrous.
 
On a more serious note, Trump campaign adding stuff in GA:

Donald Trump’s campaign is beefing up its staff in Georgia


Donald Trump’s campaign is increasing its staff in Georgia as Hillary Clinton rumbles about competing in the Peach State.

Days after Clinton’s campaign hired a new senior adviser in Georgia, Trump’s operation said it was adding two new staffers to its Atlanta operation: Jennifer Hazelton, a former TV producer, to handle communications and Billy Kirkland, a veteran of Sen. David Perdue’s campaign, to serve as senior strategist.

“We have assembled an all-star team dedicated to keeping Georgia in the Republican win column,” said Brandon Phillips, Trump’s Georgia state director. “We are committed to taking Mr. Trump’s message to all Georgians, and turning the enthusiasm of this grassroots movement into votes to win in November.”

The staff moves are a significant measure of campaign resources, though the handful of staffers in Georgia are a small fraction of the hundreds of operatives flooding more competitive states.

Recent polls seem to bolster their case: An Atlanta Journal-Constitution poll released this month showed Clinton with a slight edge over Trump in the state, and others show a tightening race.

And every dollar both campaigns spend here is a dollar they’re not spending in Ohio and other traditional battleground states.

Whether Clinton’s campaign intends to compete in Georgia or force Trump to play defense in a traditionally red state remains to be seen. But the campaign is stepping up its efforts in Georgia.

Clinton’s camp signaled Sunday it would send Tracey Lewis, a veteran Democratic strategist who was a top adviser to 2014 Senate candidate Michelle Nunn, to Georgia as a senior adviser to coordinate grassroots activities. And her campaign pumped an initial six-figure sum to the Georgia Democratic Party this week to hire field organizers.
 

Geg

Member
Oh man at first I was confused and thought maybe Hospice was a political reference like it was the name of someone hired near the end of Bob Dole's campaign or something, but now I realize he means an actual hospice lol
 

DrForester

Kills Photobucket
Listened to 10 minutes of the Colorado Springs local conservative radio host.

Few minutes complaining about Beck and Levin. Also saying if Clinton is Elected that she will bring back the fairness doctrine to silence right wing radio.


And a few minutes complaining about Gabby Douglas not putting her hand on her heart.


No mention of new Trump team.
 

dramatis

Member
I'm hoping you guys can help me out. I had found a blog/newsletter that would have daily summaries of the political news. I cannot find it again.

The nice part is that it also had times/locations for political events that day (I.E., 'Trump is talking in Detroit at 5PM EST today'). It was just a simple/quick summary that I believe was written overnight/early-morning.

I think it was related to MSNBC or NBC News, but for the life of me I cannot find it again. I remember subscribing to it in newsletter form two days ago, but never got a single e-mail.

Thanks!
Have you tried checking at Daily Kos? I think they have a daily summarizer thing.
 

sphagnum

Banned
Fox vs. TNN would be some really interesting stuff to see. Would Fox try to outcrazy TNN to get their audience or in this post-Ailes world would they try to be the more "reasonable" conservatives?
 
The GOP wants to do to the alt-right nationalists what they did to the evangelical movement of the late 70s/80s and the Tea Party after Obama got elected: monetize them for PAC money and normalize them as an invisible part of the GOP electoral base.

They just need to buy off enough people into the establishment and it should work out OK for them.
 

PantherLotus

Professional Schmuck
While you're absolutely right that the GOP wants these people marginalized...they still want their vote. Fox News is a good way to control these people. If they're split between Fox News and whatever Trump may or may not come up with, they now have to pander to two different groups who have proven to often be opposed, deeply, to each other. The GOP has learned this year, they're having a hell of a time getting the Trump-wing to be good and do what they're told. They cannot afford to have to fight for that group each cycle. They need them to be inline so they can make a pivot towards the middle.

The issue is that the Breitbart contingent make up a significant amount of their actual party, and much of the GOP leadership is only focused on winning the next set of elections and not on the long-term health of their party.

I'm saying this is the first step -- tough love, forced separation, whatever you want to call it -- to making the party of "small government and low taxes" independent from racist, bigoted, poor-hating dog-whistles. How they do that I have no idea.

Maybe the GOP is more likely to fold completely than give up reliance on white southern racists. Maybe they don't really have a reason for existing or arguments that don't rely on that base fear and bigotry. Interesting times.
 

Link

The Autumn Wind
Listened to 10 minutes of the Colorado Springs local conservative radio host.

Few minutes complaining about Beck and Levin. Also saying if Clinton is Elected that she will bring back the fairness doctrine to silence right wing radio.


And a few minutes complaining about Gabby Douglas not putting her hand on her heart.


No mention of new Trump team.
When you're worried about something called the Fairness Doctrine silencing you, maybe it's time you step back and realize you're the problem.
 
Democratic presidents have bigger fish to fry than bullying the FCC to get people to stop being so mean. That's the kind of thing the thin-skinned orangeman would do.
 

ampere

Member
Talked to a guy the other day who said he worked with Trump in the 70s/80s era

Said it's the most bizarre thing to see how he acts now, because he used to be a pretty reasonable guy. Apparently a lot of people close to him are really shocked with his transformation, but the guy we see on TV now is who Trump is. Not an act or anything
 
When you're worried about something called the Fairness Doctrine silencing you, maybe it's time you step back and realize you're the problem.

Lots of things in politics have terrible names that don't do them any justice. Freedom of speech is one area where Clinton and I break, and I think the fairness doctrine was clearly unconstitutional and should stay dead.

You fight terrible speech with better speech. Not with government intervention, imho. And I think it's a fight that's being won. It can be a slow and painful process but it's a process I believe in. Talk radio is at worst an echo chamber. The people that buy into it, are in my opinion, looking to invest in it.

But that's just my take on it. Governments shouldn't enforce equal time rules, or fairness doctrines or any such nonsense. Again, imho, whatever they call it.
 

Teggy

Member
Talked to a guy the other day who said he worked with Trump in the 70s/80s era

Said it's the most bizarre thing to see how he acts now, because he used to be a pretty reasonable guy. Apparently a lot of people close to him are really shocked with his transformation, but the guy we see on TV now is who Trump is. Not an act or anything

You can see it if you just watch his old interviews from the 80's and 90's. He was much more soft spoken and reasonable. Something happened, either intentionally or unintentionally.
 
Clinton isn't really saying she'll bring it back, is she?

She has said no such thing. The only free speech related thing she's talked about is the citizen's united ruling. That doesn't concern me, because I don't believe corporations should have protected speech or religious beliefs. They aren't people. They're corporations. The bill of rights isn't meant to apply to them.
 
The GOP wants to do to the alt-right nationalists what they did to the evangelical movement of the late 70s/80s and the Tea Party after Obama got elected: monetize them for PAC money and normalize them as an invisible part of the GOP electoral base.

They just need to buy off enough people into the establishment and it should work out OK for them.

A party of nationalists, evangelists, bigots and gun nuts is a pretty scary block to build a voter base from. Not in the sense of being scary, politically, since it's not a massive base, but scary in how violently radicalized they could get with the right provoking.
 
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/trump-us-intelligence-briefing-227109

Trump doesn't trust US intelligence.

"Not so much from the people that have been doing it for our country. I mean, look what's happened over the last 10 years. Look what's happened over the years. It's been catastrophic. And, in fact, I won't use some of the people that are sort of your standards, you know, just use them, use them, use them, very easy to use them, but I won't use them because they've made such bad decisions," said Trump


Can we get a title change to |OT10| I want off Mr. Trumps Wild Ride
 
You can see it if you just watch his old interviews from the 80's and 90's. He was much more soft spoken and reasonable. Something happened, either intentionally or unintentionally.

I was musing on this yesterday. One constant with him seems to be the racism. Given how upset he was that black people were handling his money at one of his casinos, I think a black person being in charge of the entire country was more than he could handle. I'm not sure we saw *this* Trump before the birther thing, but I could be wrong.
 

sphagnum

Banned
Lol the pillow website has Louise Mensch writing for them. Oh and its owned by News Corp.



OMG at the formatting of this interview

http://heatst.com/politics/exclusiv...ndent-candidate-interview-with-louise-mensch/

Seek Wisdom of Cubic Life
Intelligence - or you die evil.
****************************************************************************************
Evil God Believers refuse to
acknowledge 4 corner Days
rotating simultaneously around
4 quadrant created Earth -
in only 1 rotation, voiding the
Oneism Evil 1 Day 1 God.
You worship Satanic impostor
guised by educators as 1 god.
 

B-Dubs

No Scrubs
I was musing on this yesterday. One constant with him seems to be the racism. Given how upset he was that black people were handling his money at one of his casinos, I think a black person being in charge of the entire country was more than he could handle. I'm not sure we saw *this* Trump before the birther thing, but I could be wrong.

New York has seen it a couple of times over the years, in housing discrimination cases, but I'm not too shocked the rest of the country hadn't seen it before the birther thing.
 
New York has seen it a couple of times over the years, in housing discrimination cases, but I'm not too shocked the rest of the country hadn't seen it before the birther thing.

The racism seems to be a constant. With the housing case etc. But other than that he was softly spoken, seemed thoughtful, took liberal positions, was pro choice, etc etc.

I think a black president pushed him over the edge into the outwardly angry conspiracy theory believing maniac we have now, but that the racism was always there. He used to share a lot of positions with Obama. Since Obama got elected President he seems to have reversed all of them.

That's my personal take on it. I think the racism was always there.

Edit: Look at it this way. The racism was always burning, but the entire dumpster didn't set on fire until Obama entered the national picture.
 

Mike M

Nick N
I'm going to go on record and stake out the position that he's not making a cable news channel. Yes, he has surrounded himself with right-wing media players, but he needs so much more than that to get a cable channel off the ground. The amount of effort, organization, planning, funding, etc. required runs completely contrary to everything we know about him being primarily in the business of licensing out his name.

If there's anything going on besides a media personality bringing the people and sorts of people he's familiar working with, it'll probably amount to little more than another alt-right news site and YouTube channel.
 

Oblivion

Fetishing muscular manly men in skintight hosery
Just woke up.

So...Trump seems to have thought that his problem was that he was being too politically correct with merely calling for Hillary's assassination?

I have to admit, this isn't the kind of pivot I was expecting.


...on the other hand, this is also EXACTLY the kind of pivot I was expecting.
 
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