I respectfully disagree (in a sense). What you are seeing is surrogates without a coherent message formulated by the top. They don't want misinformation out there, it's simply that Trump is incapable of crafting such a message, since he operates freeform based on his audience. What you have is Trump making offhand comments, as policy, his campaign team trying desperately to interpret these comments in real time in a non damaging way, and then surrogates interpreting those bits and pieces. It's disarray rather than a calculated strategy in my opinion, but people including the media aren't used to dealing with such an undisciplined operation.
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I respectfully disagree (in a sense). What you are seeing is surrogates without a coherent message formulated by the top. They don't want misinformation out there, it's simply that Trump is incapable of crafting such a message, since he operates freeform based on his audience. What you have is Trump making offhand comments, as policy, his campaign team trying desperately to interpret these comments in real time in a non damaging way, and then surrogates interpreting those bits and pieces. It's disarray rather than a calculated strategy in my opinion, but people including the media aren't used to dealing with such an undisciplined operation.
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What a loser. Sad!
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I was just going to post about this. 3 cancellations in one week. What's going on?
TheAbsolution
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Andrea Mitchell as per usual is the worst. 
nature boy
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Trump still on teleprompter? LAME!
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Maybe he's tired. I mean, some people are saying it.
Andrea Mitchell as per usual is the worst.
Let me guess: EMAILS! EMAILS! EMAILS!
Many people are saying that Donald Trump is literally dying and needs to take the next few days off because he is too sickly to continue campaigning. Weak, terrible strength. Sad!
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Pros: Rudy realized that "lock her up" is anti-liberalism and should be changed to a slogan that encourages non-violent, political solutions.
Cons: Rudy's mindset is so warped that he accidentally created a violence against women chant.
https://twitter.com/NYTnickc/status/767850242670792706
The issue I've always struggled with is "What is the major driving drama of Obama and his presidency or rise to the presidency?" I'd argue Obama has deliberately tried to ensure his political life was as drama and scandal free as possible. I could never figure out what would make an Obama biopic interesting.
Now a Clinton biopic. There's a movie.
Lol. So true.
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Now Trump is attacking Bernie for taking Hillary too far left.
Hahahahaha
Hahahahaha
I'd much rather a documentary. When it comes to Obama I'd just love to hear him speak on pretty much anything.
Little did we know that he meant beat her up.
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not sure if serious. You can't be serious. The most implausible (and inspiring) rise to the presidency in US history, and you can't figure out what would make it interesting?
That aside, an Obama movie charting his presidential career would probably turn out a bit like Alice in wonderland- with the man himself collected and stable in the midst of a madhouse of complete bullshit for 8 years.
Agreed. Obama's life works way better as a doc or a book.
The Clinton's life would be great as an HBO series or as an "HBO Afterdark Series" *winks*
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I'm continually shocked by my opponent's criminality. Our country has gotten so far behind. So far behind. Her criminality.....
This was a sentence.
And Trump pretending like these are new emails. And he said Colin Powell's name wrong. lol
This was a sentence.
And Trump pretending like these are new emails. And he said Colin Powell's name wrong. lol
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If you went to abcnews main page right you'd think you landed on fox.
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Trump now calling for a special prosecutor. LOLOLOL
Now we're attacking the Dept of Justice, the Attorney General, etc.
Now we're attacking the Dept of Justice, the Attorney General, etc.
Drama is built on conflict. All of Obama's conflicts have been from external forces. An Obama movie would basically be how a saint navigates an ocean of bullshit. That's decidedly less gripping in terms of drama. You could maybe make a good "Lincoln-esque" film about Obama trying to pass the ACA or something, where his own shortcomings and compromise are front and center, but like I said, I think Obama has structured his presidency around being "scandal free", and for good reason.
But while his 08 campaign is fascinating, I just fail to see the gripping narrative there, dramatically. What's interesting about him personally, internally or even a larger narrative for the audience other than "Wow, what a movement that rose up around this guy".
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God the people behind Trump are bored as fuck.
And he basically made the argument that the FBI and Justice Department, along with the State Department, are now totally corrupt and we can't have any faith in them.
And he basically made the argument that the FBI and Justice Department, along with the State Department, are now totally corrupt and we can't have any faith in them.
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I don't think anyone behind him even understands what he's going on about. They just perk up when they hear Obama or Clinton.
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Well, Obama being an ambitious and smart black person in an incredibly racist country would be the obvious angle.
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Actually, with Giuliani, that was my first assumption.
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Also, if I'm a superpac or the Clinton campaign I'm releasing an ad focused on Trump saying "I will be your voice"
You do a clip of Donald Trump saying "I will be your voice" and then you do clips of all the racist, disgusting shit he's said. End it with "Does Donald Trump speak for you?"
Trump bragging about fundraising. How poor is he right now?
You do a clip of Donald Trump saying "I will be your voice" and then you do clips of all the racist, disgusting shit he's said. End it with "Does Donald Trump speak for you?"
Trump bragging about fundraising. How poor is he right now?
I just picture Obama trying to get shit done in the midst of an obstinate congress (Obama Care, the economy etc) and fighting Romney even despite all the disappointment from the public. And then there's the rivarly turned friendship with Clinton. I think there's a lot of stuff you could do about his presidency.
Granted, I just picture this heavily romanticized but I'll just love a movie making me cheer about such an inspirational figure.
I would love a Hillary biopic though because her life story is just massively interesting given 30 years of republican smear-machine. She was a different kind of first lady, hated very early when first spoke out about not wanting to stay at home baking cookies and making tea.
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I bet there are emails about how she's secretly dying.
What? Really?
This sounds like a strategy to scare away Republicans for Hillary. Which won't work, they're aren't backing Hillary because she's a moderate.
EDIT: He sounds really... desperate and kind of weak. More than usual.
I mean, that's basically what the Southside With You trailers seems to be doing. I'm just curious if that ends up being dramatically inert or monotonous. I'm hopeful, though, because there are other ways to structure his rise, but I think it'd require a lot of nuance on the filmmakers part to adequately establish the fascinating subtext of his journey with the less dynamic text of his campaign.
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First hint that maybe you didn't write this speech? You say something, smile and nod "That's so true. That's so true."
Calling Hillary a bigot again. Good luck with that, asshole.
Calling Hillary a bigot again. Good luck with that, asshole.
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not to mention Isis and Arab spring
Yeah, I'd argue of all of the last few presidents, Hillary's life seems the most ripe for really gripping storytelling, a fascinating atypical political figure and a true narrative arc that leads her to both higher and lower places.
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We're back on the "What the hell do you have to lose?" argument.
The way African Americans and Hispanics are living is a "disaster"
The way African Americans and Hispanics are living is a "disaster"
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I don't get the "Brazil has corrupt police departments, lots of crime!" takes coming from US sports writers.
You know that the USA has a pretty decent amount of murder compared to most other rich nations and our police are terrible, right?
The casual xenophobia and insistence on defending Lochte is ridiculous.
You know that the USA has a pretty decent amount of murder compared to most other rich nations and our police are terrible, right?
The casual xenophobia and insistence on defending Lochte is ridiculous.
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Yes
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He's a lot more off script this speech. It's coming friends.
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Correct. These were emails that were deleted through normal means, or they were duplicates of other emails. There's nothing new here. They were scheduled to be released for quite a while. Judicial Watch just wants the date to be moved up
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Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
He can't seem to shake that habit. I can immediately tell when he's reading off the prompter because he'll make a side comment in a different tone about what he just said. It's like he's reading it for the first time in front of the crowd.
Okay there were a couple contradictory headlines and tweets about it. Thanks.
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Akron is 30% African American. Ain't a person of color there.
Dude in the blue shirt keeps yawning. Midwestern Mom in black is bored as fuck lol
Dude in the blue shirt keeps yawning. Midwestern Mom in black is bored as fuck lol
It's funny. His base actually comes out to see that unhinged and crazy Trump. They love it. But you're right. It's clear they are bored. He just sounds like a guy reading.
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There's a really good point in all this talk about how illegal immigration affects lower income workers. Illegal immigrants do depress wages in certain jobs and often work for less than minimum wage. This really does impact the earning potential of African Americans and legal immigrants in the lower class. So there is a pretty good reason to work toward a legalization process, because then the floor moves way up, immigrants get all the advantages of being of legal status, and wages go up.
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When I say "watch" you know what I'm talking about. When I say "watch" you know what I'm talking about, right? You gotta watch.
Holy shit, why would you say that!?
Holy shit, why would you say that!?
There are almost no legal immigrants in the lower class.
The process costs between 20 and 30 thousand dollars, and the process typically cannot be done from within the US unless you have a company sponsor. Which costs them a good 10 thousand dollars.
The only kind of legal immigration at the lower classes in the US is through marriage or direct family. Which also costs, AFAIK, at least 5 thousand dollars, and is completely out of reach of the actual lower class that gets paid a minimum wage.
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I'm not near a tv, so I'm gonna need some context for this.
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He told his people they need to turn out on November 8th. (Fine). You need to get all your family to come out and vote. (Again fine) You all need to come out and watch. And when I say watch, you know what I mean. You've got to watch."
He went off script a lot more today than usual. He'll break soon enough.
Trump consistently travels to head-scratching states.
Colorado is absurdly far from Trump's grasp.
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