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PoliGAF 2016 |OT9| The Wrath of Khan!

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Teggy

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Steve Kornacki‏ @SteveKornacki
Story of PA: Trump blue collar gains wiped out by losses in white collar Philly burbs, where Obama was +9 in '12 & HRC is +40 in new poll
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TS-08

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Felix Lighter said:
Sounds like he negotiated for the ability to endorse Ryan but couldn't get Trump to budge on McCain and Ayotte. I'd rather not see McCain primaried by a lunatic if a republican is going to win AZ anyway.
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I think, ultimately, Trump just wanted to throw the delay to endorse in Ryan's face. With McCain and Ayotte, though, he legit doesn't want them to win.
 
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BlastProcessing

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nature boy said:
Waaaa (Trump seems to like him).

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TRUMPSTER FIRE!
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WHY WOULD HE SAY THAT?
 
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AnotherDayAnotherDollar

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bangbang i'm a timpani said:
in the last thread i was called a misogynist because i criticized hillary. so....good luck?
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I have heavily criticized Clinton, and still do. She is not perfect and is a flawed candidate IMO. Not once have I been called a misogynist on this board. I have had disagreements and debates with people over different views, but I didn't feel like my opinion was heavily attacked. It depends on how you phrase it, I guess. I don't think anyone here thinks that anyone, regardless of gender, race, sexual orientation etc is above criticism.

Aaron Strife said:
That FL poll is great for Clinton, but ugh that gaudy Rubio lead. Still hope Democrats can turn it around, I think he's a much weaker candidate than people tend to give him credit for.
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Rubio is horrible, but I would be surprised if he doesn't win again in FL. I'll be voting against him though.

Barack Lesnar said:
Hello,
I support DJT. Can I post in here from time to time? I dont post much in general and have only made a few political posts but i read this thread a lot. I'd like to post in here occasionally. Here's a post explaining my views:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=211289214&highlight=#post211289214

I will say the past week has been about as bad as possible....just awful. I'm ashamed and confused and angry all at once at this past week
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I liked Trump initially. Not establishment. Bring jobs back to America. I actually liked his tax plan initially. Telling it how he thinks, no sugarcoating. The latter became his undoing to me, and the tax plan is heavily flawed because, AFAIK, he plans to spend the same that we are spending now, while taking in a lot less in. A non partisan article I read shows how much our deficit would grow under his tax plan. Furthermore, I don't know details about his plans. At all. That's a problem to me, i.e. "We'll repeal and replace Obamacare". Okay, what are you gonna replace it with? "Something great" doesn't cut it for me. Finally, IIRC, I think his policies and views would infringe on the 1st, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, and 14th amendments.

I do agree that people can and do change, i.e. Clinton was vehemently against gay marriage and I now genuinely believe she realized she was wrong and is now vehemently for it. However, Trump is still racist to this day, IMO. You don't hear Clinton saying something as asinine as Trump saying a judge can't do his job because he is "Mexican".

Finally, a lot of what worries me about Trump may not even be Trump himself, but his supporters. Not saying you are one of them like what we see in the video, but if you are a minority, then that's scary. Completely denying one's right to religion is a clear infringement of the 1st amendment, while a universal background check is not an infringement on the 2nd (and I say this a very, very pro 2nd amendment voter)

With that said, I do appreciate you coming here, I am an independent voter with views that lean both left and right and don't like listening to just one side of the coin.
 
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Zona

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Andrin said:
This is one of the areas that's really different and facinating to me. Over here, mandatory ID in order to vote is expected. It's just that having an ID is required for a lot of different things, from buying alcohol, to signing contracts, to interacting with government agencies, that practically everyone has one anyway. And we have a lot of options for them as well. First you could get a passport from any Police office in the nation, or use your driver's licence, or get an ID card, either from the Police or from the nearest office of the bank you're using. And if you're short on time you could get a provisional ID that's just as valid right away by visiting the Police, though that's more expensive and you need a witness who can confirm your identity to them.

And voting is always on the last sunday in September, though mail in voting is available for about a month before that.

We're only about 10 million in total over here though, so there's much less of a logistical nightmare to hold elections here than in the US.
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We don't have any standard Federal Government ID, closest is ones Social Security card but that's not a photo ID. The most common ID is a drivers license, which isn't free. Even in places where there is a free ID available the number of roadblocks to actually getting one is stupidly high. This is leaving aside that Republican politicians have been filmed admitting that voter ID laws are an attempt to suppress Democratic turnout, and that voter fraud is so vanishingly uncommon as to be nonexistent.
 
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Oblivion

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Teggy said:
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+40? Holy shit...

You know what'll be funny? If, for all the shit Hillary got for being a worse candidate than someone like Obama, she actually winds up winning by higher margins both in the popular vote and electoral college.
 
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jbug617

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Also we are all forgetting that Trump is spending today in Maine and New York. Does he really expect to make them competitive?

Balphon said:
What did Kelly Ayotte do to piss Trump off, exactly?

Not that it takes much.
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Don't think she ever campaigned for him.
 
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Andrin

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adam387 said:
We have such systemic problems in so much of our local government, that voting ID laws are just terrible. Firstly, they're not free. You have to pay for IDs.In Ohio, for example, it's $8.50. And even if a person has the $8.50, my local DMV is not on the bus route. They have really, really narrow hours. Some states have made the voting ID free, but they only have one or two locations to serve an entire county (or sometimes a state). They limit the hours, and they close offices that are in minority heavy areas.

And even if you can afford it, and even if you can arrange transportation, you still have to have documents to get your ID. In Ohio, you have to have an original birth certificate (not a photocopy) and your original Social Security card. The first can be very, very difficult to get (and, again costs money). In my case, we had to drive 45 minutes away to get a copy so I could get my ID.
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That was my understanding of the issue, yeah. That they've basically done all they can to make getting a valid ID as nightmarish as possible in order to suppress the votes of those who can't afford the time and money required to get it (aka, poor, often black people). Contrast to here where practically everyone over the age of 18 has at least one ID, if only so that they can buy alcohol. I'll add that getting an ID costs money here as well, but it's more a symbolic, administrative sum than anything else. And all the offices are open at normal business hours, with some Police stations staying open longer for those who can't take time off from their jobs.

Edit: Just realised that my posts sound a lot like those "Why can't the US be like us civilised Europeans? We're so much better at everything." posts that were pretty common pre Brexit... Sorry about that, it wasn't my intention. I just find this particular contrast facinating, as having an ID, as well as the ease of getting one, is taken for granted over here.
 
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OrangeGrayBlue

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Oblivion said:
+40? Holy shit...

You know what'll be funny? If, for all the shit Hillary got for being a worse candidate that someone like Obama, she actually winds up winning by higher margins both in the popular vote and electoral college.
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I mean, I'm pretty confident that if Trump were facing Obama it would be an even more embarrassing margin. Hillary is a worse candidate than Obama.

That said, a politician like Obama comes around about once every 20 years.
 
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Fenderputty

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Felix Lighter said:
Sounds like he negotiated for the ability to endorse Ryan but couldn't get Trump to budge on McCain and Ayotte. I'd rather not see McCain primaried by a lunatic if a republican is going to win AZ anyway.
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Has McCain voted out of party line at all? If not he's no different than a crazed loon they're replace him with. McCain is such a Chicken shit. I hope he gets booted for what he's become. Farewell former Maverick.
 
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VRMN

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Oblivion said:
+40? Holy shit...

You know what'll be funny? If, for all the shit Hillary got for being a worse candidate that someone like Obama, she actually winds up winning by higher margins both in the popular vote and electoral college.
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Obama faced competent if imperfect (naturally) opponents.
 
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Grief.exe

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Andrin said:
This is one of the areas that's really different and facinating to me. Over here, mandatory ID in order to vote is expected. It's just that having an ID is required for a lot of different things, from buying alcohol, to signing contracts, to interacting with government agencies, that practically everyone has one anyway. And we have a lot of options for them as well. First you could get a passport from any Police office in the nation, or use your driver's licence, or get an ID card, either from the Police or from the nearest office of the bank you're using. And if you're short on time you could get a provisional ID that's just as valid right away by visiting the Police, though that's more expensive and you need a witness who can confirm your identity to them.

And voting is always on the last sunday in September, though mail in voting is available for about a month before that.

We're only about 10 million in total over here though, so there's much less of a logistical nightmare to hold elections here than in the US.
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The largest problem with Voter ID laws here is they disproportionally target minorities.

  • Members of a minority are less likely to have an ID (getting an ID costs a significant amount of time and money)
  • Members of a minority are more likely to live in a poorer area where the government offices are under funded or don't have funding at all. This means offices where you get IDs are understaffed, not open during convenient hours, or not available at all.
  • Voter fraud in polling offices are completely negligible.

It's one of those things that seems practical, but once you start looking at it under a microscope it obviously surgically targets certain individuals.
 
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Iolo

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Let's be fair, no matter what margin Hillary wins by, it will be chalked up to Trump. The grounds for this are already being laid by the right (denial of legitimacy), the far left (salt), and even by some well-meaning people. She may not be Obama, but she's survived 40 years of attacks on her character and very being, and I don't think that's weak.
 
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Fenderputty said:
Has McCain voted out of party line at all? If not he's no different than a crazed loon they're replace him with. McCain is such a Chicken shit. I hope he gets booted for what he's become. Farewell former Maverick.
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If he doesn't sack up and unendorse Trump, he deserves what he gets. Sure, doing so might hurt him with the loony base of his party, but character matters.
 
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Fenderputty

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Can't wait for the Trump wasn't conservative enough soundbites that will hit right wing radio after the election. Stoke them flames more boys.
 
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TheFatOne

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Trump the gift that keeps on given. Apparently the man who is running against Ryan that Trump had such nice things to say about said that we need to have a serious conversation about deporting all muslims, we need to monitor all mosques, and we need to monitor all social media. Man I love Trump so much. His pettiness now attaches himself to this asshole. Thank you Trump. You are the real MVP.
 
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Felix Lighter said:
Sounds like he negotiated for the ability to endorse Ryan but couldn't get Trump to budge on McCain and Ayotte. I'd rather not see McCain primaried by a lunatic if a republican is going to win AZ anyway.
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Kirkpatrick has a real shot, especially against a nut. She's won a rural congressional district twice in a row.


Beer Monkey said:
If he doesn't sack up and unendorse Trump, he deserves what he gets. Sure, doing so might hurt him with the loony base of his party, but character matters.
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must be waiting for the primary right? So odd he hasn't blown up yet.
 
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Iolo

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VRMN said:
Obama faced competent if imperfect (naturally) opponents.
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A common complaint about Obama pre-2008 is that he had never faced a difficult election, and had lucked out in his opponents. You may remember Alan Keyes, who replaced Jack Ryan (not that Jack Ryan) after the latter dragged his wife, Seven of Nine, to a swinger's club. Alan Keyes, of course, is the origin of the famous 27% crazification factor.
 
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BrokenFiction

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Speaking of McCain:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...o-is-absolutely-devastating-for-donald-trump/

This 30 second video is absolutely devastating for Donald Trump

John McCain — one of the most respected voices in the Republican Party on national security — was asked a direct question: Are you comfortable with Donald Trump possibly having control of our nuclear arsenal?

This should be a no-brainer, since McCain is supporting Trump for president, a gig that includes having a measure of control over that aforementioned nuclear arsenal.

But in answering the question, McCain pulled a big time homina homina homina. He declined to answer, other than to say: This is on you to figure out, American voters!

That’s not an exaggeration in the least. Here’s the video, which was flagged for me by a Democrat, of McCain taking on this question in an exchange with reporters yesterday:
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WATCH THE VIDEO.

Here’s the transcript:

QUESTION: Are you comfortable with Donald Trump possibly having control of the nuclear arsenal?

McCAIN: [Silence, followed by unintelligible stammering.] Anyone that the people of this country choose to be the commander in chief and the President of the United States — therefore can lead this country, and will lead in a responsible fashion. Anyone who is elected president fairly in this country. And that’s the way that our democratic system works. That’s how our government works. The American people select the next president of the United States, knowing full well what the role of the commander in chief is. Therefore, I have the utmost respect for the verdict of the people.
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Oblivion

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McCain can fuck off. He was one of the main douches leading the charge against confirming Susan Rice as SoS because she dared to mention the anti-Islamic video.
 
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AnotherDayAnotherDollar

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Andrin said:
This is one of the areas that's really different and facinating to me. Over here, mandatory ID in order to vote is expected. It's just that having an ID is required for a lot of different things, from buying alcohol, to signing contracts, to interacting with government agencies, that practically everyone has one anyway. And we have a lot of options for them as well. First you could get a passport from any Police office in the nation, or use your driver's licence, or get an ID card, either from the Police or from the nearest office of the bank you're using. And if you're short on time you could get a provisional ID that's just as valid right away by visiting the Police, though that's more expensive and you need a witness who can confirm your identity to them.

And voting is always on the last sunday in September, though mail in voting is available for about a month before that.

We're only about 10 million in total over here though, so there's much less of a logistical nightmare to hold elections here than in the US.
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Where is here?

I want to be able to vote by an app on my phone and on the web. It's 2016, it's time. Put enough money on it, it can be smooth, fast, and secure. Get it done and over with.
 
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Joeytj

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Iolo said:
Let's be fair, no matter what margin Hillary wins by, it will be chalked up to Trump. The grounds for this are already being laid by the right (denial of legitimacy), the far left (salt), and even by some well-meaning people. She may not be Obama, but she's survived 40 years of attacks on her character and very being, and I don't think that's weak.
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That's the thing about Hillary. For all the flack she has gotten, from both left and right that she's a "weak" candidate (and there's some truth to that), she is still here, 25 years latter after hitting the national stage as Bill's wife.

But I think she's "weak" in the traditional male dominated-campaign-way, like that Vox article from a couple of weeks ago says, but much stronger in ways both the American public and punditry don't realize.

Right now, for example, she and Kaine are campaigning hard in blue-collar and working class communities in PA and NV while everybody is distracted by Trump's implosion, which reminds me a lot of her "listening tours" of upstate New York that won her a Senate seat 17 years ago, quietly convincing hundreds of communities that they can trust her.
 
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Oblivion said:
I believe it's because she says she "supports" Trump, but also wanted to be clear that she doesn't "endorse" him.
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Ayotte went hard on the Khan story even is she didn't call out Trump by name. Her, McCain and Ryan all made 'support the troops' statements and they're the ones that Trump blasted.
 
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Cybit

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Oblivion said:
+40? Holy shit...

You know what'll be funny? If, for all the shit Hillary got for being a worse candidate than someone like Obama, she actually winds up winning by higher margins both in the popular vote and electoral college.
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Um

OrangeGrayBlue said:
I mean, I'm pretty confident that if Trump were facing Obama it would be an even more embarrassing margin. Hillary is a worse candidate than Obama.

That said, a politician like Obama comes around about once every 20 years.
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This.
 
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