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[Oblivion]

Welp, I just had a rather depressing discussion with a cousin of mine.

Said cousin of mine is older than me (37) and has been a reliable democrat for all his life. But this election might be the first time he won't cast the ballot on the D side. While he says he's no fan of Donald Trump, he hates Hillary. Of course, he wanted to reassure me that he's not going to vote for Trump, and would instead probably go for Jill Stein or Gary Johnson. He then went on a 20 minute long spiel about why a Trump presidency wouldn't really be all that bad. Most surprising however was his disillusionment with Obama, mainly due to his (in his opinion) "disastrous" foreign policy, mostly due to his lack of intervention in Syria.

Normally we talk politics quite a bit, but this was the first time I tried to steer the conversation to anything else. Le sigh. :/

 

[BlastProcessing]

@andrewsweiss
Pic of @DrJillStein at dinner w Putin, @realDonaldTrump pal Gen Mike Flynn in Moscow in Dec 2015 at RT anniv party

coolcoolcool

 

[Basileus777]

Tier 1

Donnelly (IN)
McCaskill (MO)
Tester (MT)
Heitkamp (ND)
Manchin (WV)

Tier 2

Nelson (FL)
Brown (OH)
Casey (PA)
Kaine* (VA)
Baldwin (WI)

I'd probably put Manchin in tier 2, but maybe I'm too optimistic.

 

[BrokenFiction]

@andrewsweiss
Pic of @DrJillStein at dinner w Putin, @realDonaldTrump pal Gen Mike Flynn in Moscow in Dec 2015 at RT anniv party

coolcoolcool

Is that...Darth Vader in the background?

 

[johnsmith]

@andrewsweiss
Pic of @DrJillStein at dinner w Putin, @realDonaldTrump pal Gen Mike Flynn in Moscow in Dec 2015 at RT anniv party

coolcoolcool

Is this legit?

 

[hawk2025]

@andrewsweiss
Pic of @DrJillStein at dinner w Putin, @realDonaldTrump pal Gen Mike Flynn in Moscow in Dec 2015 at RT anniv party

coolcoolcool

She went to the anniversary dinner of a propaganda channel.

Holy shit.

This is probably fake, right? No one would be that daft.

 

[User 463088]

Ya but I found a picture of Hillary shaking hands with Putin.
CHECKMATE.

 

[B-Dubs]

She went to the anniversary dinner of a propaganda channel.

Holy shit.

For some reason the far left in the US loves RT.

 

[aliengmr]

For some reason the far left in the US loves RT.

So does the right apparently. I don't even know what is going on anymore. Up is center, left is down, right is sideways, it's all fucked up.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Putin is really going to take over the US from the inside isn't he? He has Stein pulling votes from the left and Trump turning the GOP into the pro-Russia party. Fucking hell.

 

[Gotchaye]

Welp, I just had a rather depressing discussion with a cousin of mine.

Said cousin of mine is older than me (37) and has been a reliable democrat for all his life. But this election might be the first time he won't cast the ballot on the D side. While he says he's no fan of Donald Trump, he hates Hillary. Of course, he wanted to reassure me that he's not going to vote for Trump, and would instead probably go for Jill Stein or Gary Johnson. He then went on a 20 minute long spiel about why a Trump presidency wouldn't really be all that bad. Most surprising however was his disillusionment with Obama, mainly due to his (in his opinion) "disastrous" foreign policy, mostly due to his lack of intervention in Syria.

Normally we talk politics quite a bit, but this was the first time I tried to steer the conversation to anything else. Le sigh. :/

That's weird to me because it seems like Clinton should be an easy sell if you generally like Obama but think he wasn't hawkish enough.

 

[mo60]

@andrewsweiss
Pic of @DrJillStein at dinner w Putin, @realDonaldTrump pal Gen Mike Flynn in Moscow in Dec 2015 at RT anniv party

coolcoolcool

This is shocking.

 

[eBay Huckster]

Putin is really going to take over the US from the inside isn't he? He has Stein pulling votes from the left and Trump turning the GOP into the pro-Russia party. Fucking hell.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

 

[BlastProcessing]

She went to the anniversary dinner of a propaganda channel.

Holy shit.

This is probably fake, right? No one would be that daft.

I can't guarantee the photo's authenticity, but Stein is definitely that daft.

 

[Bowdz]

@andrewsweiss
Pic of @DrJillStein at dinner w Putin, @realDonaldTrump pal Gen Mike Flynn in Moscow in Dec 2015 at RT anniv party

coolcoolcool

Nah bro don't worry about, Trump's totally not influenced by Putin. Путин очень хороший человек , что я вам скажу.

 

[sc0la]

@andrewsweiss
Pic of @DrJillStein at dinner w Putin, @realDonaldTrump pal Gen Mike Flynn in Moscow in Dec 2015 at RT anniv party

coolcoolcool

is that darth vader with a camera for a head in the BG?

 

[B-Dubs]

That's weird to me because it seems like Clinton should be an easy sell if you generally like Obama but think he wasn't hawkish enough.

That's what I would assume. Clinton is generally further left than Obama on everything save foreign policy, where she's a bit more willing to use (or threaten to use) force than he is.

 

[Iolo]

Says Obama not hawkish enough, plans to vote for Stein. 👌

 

[Valhelm]

@andrewsweiss
Pic of @DrJillStein at dinner w Putin, @realDonaldTrump pal Gen Mike Flynn in Moscow in Dec 2015 at RT anniv party

coolcoolcool

Yikes, what the fuck was she doing there?

For some reason the far left in the US loves RT.

Not really. It's popular among some left-liberals and Maoists who believe American media has a Western bias, but most Americans who follow RT tend to be far-right nationalists who think Russia is morally superior to the US. Breitbart cites them pretty frequently.

 

[Oblivion]

That's weird to me because it seems like Clinton should be an easy sell if you generally like Obama but think he wasn't hawkish enough.

Yeah, there was a lot of contradictory arguments swirling about during that convo. Was almost like talking to a Tea Partier.

 

[BlastProcessing]

Oh hey there is video of Stein at the RT anniversary!

And here is some bonus audio wherein the Green Parties VP Nominee says crazy shit:

Second hour: Ajamu Baraka on Palestine, Ukraine, and the state of the world. Ajamu Baraka agrees that the shootdown of Malaysian 17 is a suspected false flag

Strong ticket.

 

[User1608]

@andrewsweiss
Pic of @DrJillStein at dinner w Putin, @realDonaldTrump pal Gen Mike Flynn in Moscow in Dec 2015 at RT anniv party

coolcoolcool

Greater good huh, Stein.

 

[mo60]

Assange said yesterday in a facetime on some program in response to a question about trump tax returns that he is working on hacking trump's tax return.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U72VOLtPv6g

He may be joking about it, but this may scare trump into releasing his tax returns sooner.

 

[SpeedySwaf]

Assange said yesterday in a facetime on some program in response to a question about trump tax returns that he is working on hacking trump's tax return.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U72VOLtPv6g

He may be joking about it, but this may scare trump into releasing his tax returns sooner.

CNN article has an article saying he was:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/06/politics/julian-assange-wikileaks-donald-trump-tax-returns/index.html

 

[FloydtheFathead]

@andrewsweiss
Pic of @DrJillStein at dinner w Putin, @realDonaldTrump pal Gen Mike Flynn in Moscow in Dec 2015 at RT anniv party

coolcoolcool

See both sides are the same.. /s

 

[ShironRedshift]

Assange said yesterday in a facetime on some program in response to a question about trump tax returns that he is working on hacking trump's tax return.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U72VOLtPv6g

He may be joking about it, but this may scare trump into releasing his tax returns sooner.

Saw a segment on that on CNN earlier and they mentioned how on WikiLeaks Twitter they clarified that he was indeed joking and how WikiLeaks is just a site that posts leaked stuff and doesn't actively work to hack anything themselves:
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/761937233356128256

Not expecting anything, personally. Assange clearly doesn't really give a fuck either way and can't be bothered with something like that, and Trump is never going to release them willingly because he doesn't want the slightest semblance of there being concrete numbers over his head.

 

[whyamihere]

Stein was definitely there. She posted a video on YouTube before she went to the gala. No idea if that photo is real. Yay!

 

[mo60]

Saw a segment on that on CNN earlier and they mentioned how on WikiLeaks Twitter they clarified that he was indeed joking and how WikiLeaks is just a site that posts leaked stuff and doesn't actively work to hack anything themselves:
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/761937233356128256

Not expecting anything, personally. Assange clearly doesn't really give a fuck either way and can't be bothered with something like that, and Trump is never going to release them willingly because he doesn't want the slightest semblance of there being concrete numbers over his head.

I don't expect trump's tax returns to be released anytime soon anyway because no one is really forcing him to release his tax returns besides talking about how he has yet to release his tax returns.

 

[Dan]

@andrewsweiss
Pic of @DrJillStein at dinner w Putin, @realDonaldTrump pal Gen Mike Flynn in Moscow in Dec 2015 at RT anniv party

coolcoolcool

I love all the comments that are sharing photos of US presidents and secretaries of state meeting with Putin. Ok, duh. That's part of the job. Jill Stein has held office on a town meeting. She's hanging out with Putin celebrating his propaganda arm purely by choice.

 

[Y2Kev]

Wouldn't the far left and far right both love Putin? Not sure why but I'm guessing they would just because the far left is fucking trash.

 

[whyamihere]

Wouldn't the far left and far right both love Putin? Not sure why but I'm guessing they would just because the far left is fucking trash.

Putin would also love them because they have a destabilizing effect.

Jill Stein's problem is that she wants to be taken seriously as a candidate, which requires us to examine her candidacy with the scrutiny of a real campaign.

 

[Teggy]

Yeah but Hillary shook Putins hand once.

 

[NeoXChaos]

it begins.

Alex Burns ‏@alexburnsNYT 6h6 hours ago
NEWS: GOP concludes Trump a fatal disaster; super PACs plan ads + turnout efforts to save Senate/House

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/07/us/politics/donald-trump-gop.html?_r=0&referer=

What stops Republicans from disavowing Mr. Trump en masse is that they fear alienating his voters, who may be crucial to the party’s efforts to retain its congressional majorities. In an era in which fewer voters split their tickets, it is important to Republican leaders that Mr. Trump at least run competitively with Mrs. Clinton to avert a down-ballot wipeout.

“Do we run the risk of depressing our base by repudiating the guy, or do we run the risk of being tarred and feathered by independents for not repudiating him?” asked Glen Bolger, a Republican pollster working on many of this year’s races. “We’re damned if we do and damned if we don’t.”

 

[User 463088]

Yeah but Hillary shook Putins hand once.

Not only that, but Mr. Hillary Clinton also shook Putin's hand. HOW DEEP DOES IT GO!?

 

[BlastProcessing]

Wouldn't the far left and far right both love Putin? Not sure why but I'm guessing they would just because the far left is fucking trash.

I have a working theory that the political spectrum is actually a circle, not a line. Anti-semitism is where the snake eats its tail.

 

[User 463088]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/07/us/politics/gary-johnson-libertarian-scott-rigell.html

Johnson got his first congressional endorsement.

 

[mo60]

]it begins.



http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/07/us/politics/donald-trump-gop.html?_r=0&referer=

It looks like the republicans think trump will lose this election really badly.

 

[gutter_trash]

Yikes, what the fuck was she doing there?



Not really. It's popular among some left-liberals and Maoists who believe American media has a Western bias, but most Americans who follow RT tend to be far-right nationalists who think Russia is morally superior to the US. Breitbart cites them pretty frequently.

Left or Right, those in the West who follow RT are those who criticize Western "Imperialism" but give Russia a free pass.

I know an Armenian-Canadian who is in love with Putin and sides with Russia on all USA v Russia issues.

on the Left, I know a Berniebro who watches RT to get a "outside point of view"

 

[teiresias]

it begins.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/07/us/politics/donald-trump-gop.html?_r=0&referer=

Do they have internals that are worse than anything we've even seen?

 

[User 463088]

Do they have internals that are worse than anything we've even seen?

Oh, I'm sure they do. I'm sure Trump is running his own, but so are most Senate candidates. With the party handling his GOTV, the campaign is either sharing internals with them or they're running their own. (I'd assume...)

 

[Y2Kev]

Do they need them? If the race firms up at 4 points or so it's a lost cause on the presidential level and there aren't really any wild cards left that would make you think Trump could make up 4 points with absolutely no GOTV operation.

I guess it's possible Hillary bombs the debates. She'll draw at best if she can't answer the stupid emails question better.

 

[User 463088]

Do they need them? If the race firms up at 4 points or so it's a lost cause on the presidential level and there aren't really any wild cards left that would make you think Trump could make up 4 points with absolutely no GOTV operation.

I guess it's possible Hillary bombs the debates. She'll draw at best if she can't answer the stupid emails question better.

Like she bombed BEN GHAZI?
Amirite?

 

[teiresias]

Do they need them? If the race firms up at 4 points or so it's a lost cause on the presidential level and there aren't really any wild cards left that would make you think Trump could make up 4 points with absolutely no GOTV operation.

I guess it's possible Hillary bombs the debates. She'll draw at best if she can't answer the stupid emails question better.

Which gets more play the day after, Clinton with another unsatisfactory or far too verbose email answer, or Trump snapping and calling her a b#%h?

I'm hoping it firms up no closer than 6 points frankly.

 

[sc0la]

I have a working theory that the political spectrum is actually a circle, not a line. Anti-semitism is where the snake eats its tail.

I always thought of it more like Pac-Man than a circle. Go straight one way forever always pop out of the other side.

 

[Mecha]

Wouldn't the far left and far right both love Putin? Not sure why but I'm guessing they would just because the far left is fucking trash.

"I don't like something so they must like Putin", nice. It isn't rare for far-leftists to get arrested in Russia for anti-Putin and anti-kremlin activities, but hey lets ignore all of that for some baseless accusations.

There are some "anti-west" tankies that support Putin for being against the US, but that's the only minority in the far-left that has any support for Russia.

I have a working theory that the political spectrum is actually a circle, not a line. Anti-semitism is where the snake eats its tail.

Making the political spectrum a line is too simplistic.

 

[User 463088]

The Hillary magnet in that fucking orange color that has her picture on it with the caption "I believe in science." is just fucking awful. Whoever designed it should feel bad. Anyone who votes for it should feel bad. Because you're bad.

 

[Y2Kev]

"I don't like something so they must like Putin", nice. It isn't rare for far-leftists to get arrested in Russia for anti-Putin and anti-kremlin activities, but hey lets ignore all of that for some baseless accusations.

There are some "anti-west" tankies that support Putin for being against the US, but that's the only minority in the far-left that has any support for Russia.



Making the political spectrum a line is too simplistic.

I'm confused. So does the American far left like or dislike Putin? Sounds like there is a definite pro-Putin sentiment in the far left from your post! I mean Dr. Stein seems to be a fan.

 

[Man God]

I'd imagine its a small cross section of wildly anti Americans who see Russia as a natural check, actual policies be damned and some good old fashioned Communist sympathizers who missed the forest for the trees.

 

[ampere]

Just Trump things.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/08/0..._r=1&referer=&referer=https://t.co/fqU3ITd5OE

But does Ryan really wanna stay speaker? This could be an easy out for him

 

[East Lake]

I'm confused. So does the American far left like or dislike Putin? Sounds like there is a definite pro-Putin sentiment in the far left from your post! I mean Dr. Stein seems to be a fan.

The far left is not homogeneous.