BobTheFork
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Obama is like Kurt Russell in Soldier, throwing the snake back at our feet because we have to learn to catch it without him :'(
The wisest President.
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Obama is like Kurt Russell in Soldier, throwing the snake back at our feet because we have to learn to catch it without him :'(
The wisest President.
TiredofWinning
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It's unfortunate this dark chapter in history will scar us for as long as we live.
Brawndo Addict
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Fuuuucckkkking whaaaaattt tttthheeee hhhhheeelllll iiiisssss happpennninnnggggg
This is insane. My retroactive feelings about how Obama handled this has reached critical mass and become a black hole of anger! Why are we talking about this in the context of political theater when it's actually about our country's national security first and foremost?
If direct collusion with a foreign power to destroy your political opponent doesn't qualify as treasonous enough behavior to merit an official presidential response than what does?
This is insane. My retroactive feelings about how Obama handled this has reached critical mass and become a black hole of anger! Why are we talking about this in the context of political theater when it's actually about our country's national security first and foremost?
If direct collusion with a foreign power to destroy your political opponent doesn't qualify as treasonous enough behavior to merit an official presidential response than what does?
I know there's a lot of pants-shitting going on in the Trump administration as all this comes out, but let's take a second to really appreciate an especially heinous, disgusting cartoon coming in the middle of Black History Month.
Context, if you don't recognize it.
Context, if you don't recognize it.
StopMakingSense
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I know there's a lot of pants-shitting going on in the Trump administration as all this comes out, but let's take a second to really appreciate an especially heinous, disgusting cartoon coming in the middle of Black History Month.
Context, if you don't recognize it.
Yeah, we were horrified about that a few pages ago. Seems like an age.
excelsiorlef
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I know there's a lot of pants-shitting going on in the Trump administration as all this comes out, but let's take a second to really appreciate an especially heinous, disgusting cartoon coming in the middle of Black History Month.
Context, if you don't recognize it.
Fucking hell
Carpe Libertatem
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This is clearly good, but the tweet doesn't mention that the Republican only beat the Democrat by 1.8% in 2012. Still, not bad.
Good, it seems like it's getting some notoriety. Fuck McCoy.
Bonen no Max'd
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It's especially encouraging in tandem with the Iowa polling.
Tranqueris
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The part on Maddow about how the DNC is doing nothing to try and win the seat in a district in Georgia where Trump only won by 1.5% is depressing.
More_Badass
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Fuck, I can't believe I didnt make the connection when I saw this earlier. Jesus ChristI know there's a lot of pants-shitting going on in the Trump administration as all this comes out, but let's take a second to really appreciate an especially heinous, disgusting cartoon coming in the middle of Black History Month.
Context, if you don't recognize it.
whyamihere
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Um, Politico got the video that OWN sent to Senators with Puzder's ex wife talking about how he beat her. It's... powerful.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/puzder-oprah-winfrey-labor-235030
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/puzder-oprah-winfrey-labor-235030
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thepotatoman
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I didn't either. I'm very aware of the historic picture, but the allusion to it was such a stretch it didn't come to mind.
Avon Barksdale
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Hillary Clinton got more votes for a reason.
JesseEwiak
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I mean, we win the House, nominate Hillary as Speaker, start Impeachment hearings...
...but more seriously, part of the reason why Ford was able to recover and almost win in '76 was because he was an 'Accidental President.' He wasn't part of Nixon's crew, didn't glom on to him as a last ditch effort to stay relevant like Pence did, etc. If Trump gets impeached and the DNC takes over Congress in '18, Pence can basically be shutdown for everything except signing whatever budget Pelosi & Schumer send him.
neurosisxeno
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It's more likely if something goes down and Trump gets the axe, Pence will be implicated. That leaves us with... President Ryan. Definitely not an ideal outcome, but while Paul Ryan is a policy wonk, he seems slightly less socially conservative than Pence while having at least some semblance of political prowess. Plus if a Republican administration gets gutted amidst Treason allegations, there's no way Republicans don't get completely slaughtered in 2018.
Too busy hosting leadership forums.
Carpe Libertatem
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I dunno, seems to me that the GOP/Pence have been positioning him as out of the loop, Flynn lied to him, etc
Republicans would get crushed in 2018 either way. Doubt they could recover from literal treason in only a few months (give it six years when it's the first midterm after a Democratic president)
whyamihere
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I... this is pretty not true? They're ramping up a huge campaign and fundraising effort and putting a ton of man power in Ossoff.
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thepotatoman
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Hmm.
Religious conservative vs an Ayn Rand conservative in the executive is a really hard decision.
neurosisxeno
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Trying, but I'm not sure they will be successful. Even if they are, they will get slaughtered in 2018 and Pence will have literally no power. Basically, if Trump falls there's no way the Republican's recover before 2022.
Ryan has his moments. I would rather he was in the Oval Office than the Evangelical.
davepoobond
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people have been saying Trump has been an outsider the whole time, you really think that the republican party wont easily just shrug this off? "he was never a real conservative, we already knew this"
"now we've seen how much government hurts the country, time to make it smaller"
this is exactly the story-line republicans have been pushing for the last 40 years.
"now we've seen how much government hurts the country, time to make it smaller"
this is exactly the story-line republicans have been pushing for the last 40 years.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell have given interviews saying over and over again "Trump is the perfect Republican and we approve of everything he's doing and Steve Bannon is great."
The longer this goes, the harder it will be to shrug off.
They lost that opportunity when they bent the knee to him. It's the old saying "lie down with dogs, you get fleas". They can certainly argue he was never a "true" conservative, but there was an opportunity for the GOP - once Trump was elected - to interact with him as though he were a "third party candidate". Come out against his interactions with Putin, his sexual assault, his warmongering attitude to Iran, and push him as a "third way".
But once they dropped their opposition to him, they claimed him as their own. Ryan, Preibus, McConnell... Trump is as establishment as they come.
Republicans have continued to defend Bush, and they've been too dumb to really push themselves away from Trump's more idiotic policies (though most are idiotic, but still). I really don't see them playing this kind of game
neurosisxeno
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Trump didn't become Establishment, the Establishment became Trump. And it will be the death of them if he gets impeached. Even though it would require them to turn their backs on him, if public unrest gets real after revelations of the Trump Dossier being legitimate, they will have no other option.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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I mean, the GOP recovered almost immediately from Watergate and they'll probably recover after Trump. Hopefully his elections cost them enough seats to get legislation passed though.
Aaron Strife
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Not to be an advocate for accelerationism but the possibility of winning big Democratic Congressional majorities for the next president was always the silver lining of President Trump.
And if we have Dem majorities in both chambers post-2020, there's a decent chance they'll actually stay that way after 2022. The House elections will be held under hopefully fairer maps, and the GOP won't have many Senate targets (like New Hampshire and that's it).
But more importantly whoever comes out of 2020 will need to push a bold, easily understandable agenda. The economy rallied under Obama, but the stimulus act was received with a resounding "meh" even from liberal circles. Same with PPACA, to be charitable. But pass free college and double the minimum wage? Everyone gets that.
neurosisxeno
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In 1972 Richard Nixon won in one of the largest electoral landslides in Election history. The Senate races also leaned a bit towards Republicans, with the GOP getting ~19.8m votes to Democrats getting ~17.2m. In 1974 following Watergate Democrats won the vote count ~22.5m to ~16.1m.
Relevant to the "President Pence" talk:
Pence remains above the fray, but is he outside the inner circle?
I read this as people purposefully keeping Pence out-of-the-loop, so if Trump gets impeached, Pence can come out looking clean. Dumb, but clean.
I don't think it's going to wash, though. Assuming this situation gets worse, only the most naive would think Pence was entirely clueless about all of this (even if he really is clueless).
Pence remains above the fray, but is he outside the inner circle?
I read this as people purposefully keeping Pence out-of-the-loop, so if Trump gets impeached, Pence can come out looking clean. Dumb, but clean.
I don't think it's going to wash, though. Assuming this situation gets worse, only the most naive would think Pence was entirely clueless about all of this (even if he really is clueless).
neurosisxeno
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Pence has been going on air defending all of these people as they implicate themselves. Hard to imagine a scenario in which that isn't shoved right back in his face.
thehypocrite
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So it seems FBI head Comey is legit. The question becomes now if he can go all the way.
Yeah, it's the same reason why Conway is living on borrowed time now.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Is someone finally going to start caring about Russia funding the Taliban now that the news is back onto Russia?
"Trump ignores Russian funding of enemy that is killing American soldiers" is pretty bad politically for the GOP...
"Trump ignores Russian funding of enemy that is killing American soldiers" is pretty bad politically for the GOP...
Watergate still hurt them in 1974 and 1976.The GOP probaby won't be that competitive in terms of the presidency for 8 years once they lose it. I'm not sure about the house and senate right now.
Beer Monkey
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This can be re-introduced. If they've already lost 15, they can lose more when self-preservation kicks in.
Basileus777
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No to mention that the Democrats picked up 49 house seats for a total of 291. Supermajorities in both houses of Congress and then the Presidency 2 years later is not nothing.
Aaron Strife
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Too bad Carter was too ineffective to actually accomplish anything with those numbers, although the scattershot ideology of the party at the time probably didn't help. You still had to be a Democrat to win in much of the South, while also being a racist piece of shit.
Carter himself was too good for this sinful Earth, which unfortunately makes for terrible politics.
The 15 are Democrats. It was a straight party line vote.
"Let's spend $100 billion on green energy and make solar cheaper than coal" is actually a pretty good policy, anybody who said "meh" to that is straight up dumb
Obama had messaging problems, he didn't have agenda problems
UberTag
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Aaron Strife
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I agree it was good policy. It's just from a purely political/populist standpoint his major reforms didn't seem to resonate with many people. Instead of an extra 5-10 bucks on their weekly paycheck they needed a big check with Obama's face on it to really grasp what he did. People thought he raised taxes in his first year. Yes, those people are dumb. They still vote. (Or don't, as it may be)
neurosisxeno
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Yea I meant to edit it and add in that party. Republican's definitely suffered from Watergate--unfortunately than Saint Reagan cursed us with his presence and a lot of those gains were wiped away.
I don't like, at all, what this line implies.
I don't have to walk in lockstep with Obama because he's black.
If his duty as President was to ensure a fair election then congrats, we didn't get one.
If his duty as President was to do his part to protect our Democracy then congrats, he didn't do that either.
Obama is still my President. But he is not blameless.
I said it many times, I blame the whole Comey fiasco on Loretta Lynch. Her tarmac meeting was a really bad judgment, but I don't think it was *that* egregious.
The problem is how she handled it. She should've either said "this will not impact my duties as Attorney General" or put the Deputy Attorney General (or anyone else from her office) in charge of this.
But dropping the ball to the FBI? this is not their job in you're abandoning the duty of your office.
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