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[Ether_Snake]

Under normal circumstances, Tillerson would be Poli-GAF's number one enemy. Talk about lowering the bar.

The first sign that this is a stupid idea is that the guy who has no government experience comes in and says he wants two-pagers when others didn't for years if not decades. He's forcing them to adapt to his own incompetence so as to not look like he's out of his element, same reasoning behind Trump's daily briefing approach.

This guy just wants to keep his job as SoS if Trump gets impeached so he can carry on the same agenda he was hired for, and he was hired because of his liabilities.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Milo's rise to fame has gotten people to bring up his pro-pedophilia comments.

CPAC will now have a pro-raping children speaker.

That's usually the subtext of some speakers, but not the text exactly.

https://twitter.com/ReaganBattalion/status/833347036644777985

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

Milo's rise to fame has gotten people to bring up his pro-pedophilia comments.

CPAC will now have a pro-raping children speaker.

That's usually the subtext of some speakers, but not the text exactly.

https://twitter.com/ReaganBattalion/status/833347036644777985

There is a saying I grew up with to describe this sort of thing..."The higher the monkey goes up the tree, the more you can see it's ass."

 

[Mobius and pet octopus]

Yeah, that video on milo is morally repugnant. 13 year olds still have developing brains. That is science. They aren't capable of weighing the positives and negatives of their actions like adults can. This is why we have statutory rape laws, which don't even require much in terms of proof other than the fact that the act happened. And he says it's the left that is behind consent law, while I am pretty fucking sure it's bipartisan as it exists in every state in the union. Texas age of consent is 17 and the penalty is 2-20 years.

Anyway, I wanted to post this in case it wasn't yet. It's a music video of that guy talking about having a trump cut out in his house and shit, to the eminem track stan. It's great: https://twitter.com/BeardedGenius/status/833271625508409345

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

The entire right wing rallying behind Milo after the Berkeley protests really was not smart.

 

[sc0la]

I don't have a problem with the tillerson two pages thing. I believe he can and will actually read them, and understand them, unlike trump. A good staffer will be able to tailor the message to their audience in that space if needed (assuming he didn't fire all the good ones, that's another story though)

 

[Crocodile]

The entire right wing really was not smart.

FTFY

Though that's the problem when your ideology is "fuck liberals" rather than "I'm a good person who legit wants to improve life for ALL Americans, I just don't agree with liberals on the best way to do so"

This tweet distills it down pretty good

also:

 

[ugaboga232]

Yeah, that video on milo is morally repugnant. 13 year olds still have developing brains. That is science. They aren't capable of weighing the positives and negatives of their actions like adults can. This is why we have statutory rape laws, which don't even require much in terms of proof other than the fact that the act happened. And he says it's the left that is behind consent law, while I am pretty fucking sure it's bipartisan as it exists in every state in the union. Texas age of consent is 17 and the penalty is 2-20 years.

Anyway, I wanted to post this in case it wasn't yet. It's a music video of that guy talking about having a trump cut out in his house and shit, to the eminem track stan. It's great: https://twitter.com/BeardedGenius/status/833271625508409345

Are you implying adults can weigh things and make choices?

Spoiler

no more free will debates in Poligaf

I wonder what is going to drop tomorrow for the symbolism on the Russian Connection.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

It's not hard to write a briefing in two pages for most things if you're good at writing.

This is KT McFarland. She is the assistant National Security Adviser and Trump refuses to fire her no matter what even at Harward's request.

She is not intelligent at all.

 

[shinra-bansho]

It sure was a super good idea by liberal icon Bill Maher not remotely ever transphobic to bring on pro pedophilia "impish fag" - being a liberal icon means he can use this - best pal Milo. That's understandable.

 

[SenorArdilla]

Man. Gators are going to tear Milo apart for his pro-pedophilia comments. /s

 

[sc0la]

It sure was a super good idea by liberal icon Bill Maher not remotely ever transphobic to bring on pro pedophilia "impish fag" - being a liberal icon means he can use this - best pal Milo. That's understandable.

Man. Gators are going to tear Milo apart for his pro-pedophilia comments. /s

ayyyyy lmao

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Man. Gators are going to tear Milo apart for his pro-pedophilia comments. /s

Pizzagaters are gonna be all over this.

 

[RustyNails]

Thank you Bill Maher for making Milo great again. Who would have thought? Maher will destroy him, they said. Freedom of speech, they said.

 

[Teggy]

Milo put out a long post on Facebook saying he hates pedophiles, he was taken out of context and misunderstood and has exposed 3 pedophiles in the past. Will probably cause estab conservatives to apologize and give him a hug.

 

[RustyNails]

Milo put out a long post on Facebook saying he hates pedophiles, he was taken out of context and misunderstood and has exposed 3 pedophiles in the past. Will probably cause estab conservatives to apologize and give him a hug.

His defense is that he's sticking with the textbook definition of pedophilia which is children who have not hit puberty being the victims. I get that, but saying it's suddenly ok for 13 or 14 year olds is just as fucked up.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Been watching NHK World and they have news at the top of the hour every few hours and they keep showing Trump's near-impersonation of Abe thanking him for getting the F-35 price cut

you can see Trump was ready to do a mimic impersonation but held back at the last second to only quote Abe saying thank you. smh

 

[Teggy]

His defense is that he's sticking with the textbook definition of pedophilia which is children who have not hit puberty being the victims. I get that, but saying it's suddenly ok for 13 or 14 year olds is just as fucked up.

He also says when he says "young boys", he clearly means that in the "gay way" which means absolutely of the age of consent and straight people wouldn't understand that so sorry not sorry.

Edit: and lol

Jeet Heer‏ @HeerJeet

GOP 1984: It's Morning Again In America. 2000: Compassionate Conservatism 2020: The Proper Term is "Ephebophilia"

 

[Sianos]

His defense is that he's sticking with the textbook definition of pedophilia which is children who have not hit puberty being the victims. I get that, but saying it's suddenly ok for 13 or 14 year olds is just as fucked up.

Never thought I'd see the day when an icon of the alt-right is complaining that sociological terminology is being used imprecisely to misconstrue an argument!

 

[Toxi]

His defense is that he's sticking with the textbook definition of pedophilia which is children who have not hit puberty being the victims. I get that, but saying it's suddenly ok for 13 or 14 year olds is just as fucked up.

That Milo used that defense shows how little he understands how normal, non-morally bankrupt people work.

 

[CygnusXS]

Milo and the alt-right in general are doing a pretty good job of showing how little the conservatives actually care about.

It's more and more clear that authority and resentment are all that matter to them.

 

[Sianos]

I think we're going to need a compilation of journalists and political figures who stood up for Milo's right to preach about the inferiority of minorities, yet are suddenly not okay with him debating age of consent laws.

I can actually come up with an argument that isn't absolutely disgusting for the latter that might be suppressed by people's unwillingness to make any argument that has enough of a proximity to defending pedophilia that it could be distilled into "supports pedophilia" - some sort of proposition to lower the general age of consent to 16 or 17. I mean, I disagree with that proposition since those teenagers are still mentally developing, they should be still completing their high school education and not being groomed into dependence on an older suitor, and are by default at an inherent social disadvantage against a college aged adult. But it's an argument! One that could actually challenge existing beliefs and make people think by virtue of being a specific, functioning argument, despite the fact that it still is a tremendously poor argument.

Looks like those actually arguing with good faith in defense of absolutist free speech will be surprised to find that their comrades merely wanted to preach their racial hatred unabated, and could give zero fucks about anyone else's free speech. Enemy of your enemy is not your friend!

 

[Oblivion]

Anyway, I wanted to post this in case it wasn't yet. It's a music video of that guy talking about having a trump cut out in his house and shit, to the eminem track stan. It's great: https://twitter.com/BeardedGenius/status/833271625508409345

Man, I forgot what a great song that was.

FTFY

Though that's the problem when your ideology is "fuck liberals" rather than "I'm a good person who legit wants to improve life for ALL Americans, I just don't agree with liberals on the best way to do so"

This tweet distills it down pretty good

also:

That one poster saying that Trump is basically revenge porn is also pretty accurate.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

I think we're going to need a compilation of journalists and political figures who stood up for Milo's right to preach about the inferiority of minorities, yet are suddenly not okay with him debating age of consent laws.

I can actually come up with an argument that isn't absolutely disgusting for the latter that might be suppressed by people's unwillingness to make any argument that has enough of a proximity to defending pedophilia that it could be distilled into "supports pedophilia" - some sort of proposition to lower the age of consent to 16 or 17. I mean, I disagree with that proposition since those teenagers are still mentally developing, they should be still completing their high school education and not being groomed into dependence on an older suitor, and are by default at an inherent social disadvantage against a college aged adult. But it's an argument! One that could actually challenge existing beliefs and make people think by virtue of being a specific, functioning argument, despite the fact that it still is a tremendously poor argument.

Looks like those actually arguing with good faith in defense of absolutist free speech will be surprised to find that their comrades merely wanted to preach their racial hatred unabated, and could give zero fucks about anyone else's free speech. Enemy of your enemy is not your friend!

"Black people should be exterminated."
"The man has his rights!"
"I should be able to fuck your 13 year old if they're fuckable enough."
"I, erhm, leaving now..."

I think people will start defending raping children through the "we should have a conversation!" technique after it turns out that Trump raped children though.

But yes, people only care about defending "controversial" topics generally based in white, male Christianity supremacy.

 

[Mobius and pet octopus]

Are you implying adults can weigh things and make choices?

Spoiler

no more free will debates in Poligaf

I wonder what is going to drop tomorrow for the symbolism on the Russian Connection.

Well let me put it this way. At least their the physical development of their brain isn't stopping it!

 

[BadenBadenLily]

Is anyone really surprised about yet another case of massive projection from the alt-right?

I mean look at Milo's fanbase, Its the people who go batshit insane when North America localization companies censor the sexualization of underage girls in their precious anime games.

However Milo is basically a 100% shock jock like Ann Coulter, so I doubt he's a legitimate pedophile. Mike Cernovich and most of the other alt-right flagbearers definitely are though.

 

[You Know Nothing]

That one poster saying that Trump is basically revenge porn is also pretty accurate.

 

[Gruco]

I'm so old, I remember when Republicans thought child rape was a bad thing.

 

[RastaMentality]

the Milo trend is filled to the brim with conservatives saying that this is all a distraction from pizzagate. happy sunday.

 

[BadenBadenLily]

I'm so old, I remember when Republicans thought child rape was a bad thing.

Considering how all the veteran GOPers defended Hastert, you'd have to be really old for that to be the case. =P

 

[kadotsu]

The South Park "Free Hat" episode was a few years early.

 

[CoffeeJanitor]

Tillerson was one of the sane picks regardless of the reaction

Remove the Russia/Trump clouding and the dude is a very intelligent power broker

He was on multiple "most influential/powerful people" lists in the years leading up to now so it's not like he's out of nowhere

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Tillerson was one of the sane picks regardless of the reaction

Remove the Russia/Trump clouding and the dude is a very intelligent power broker

He was on multiple "most influential/powerful people" lists in the years leading up to now so it's not like he's out of nowhere

Tillerson's conflicts of interest with Venezuela are massive and Venezuela is about to become the biggest foreign policy crisis in the world once Maduro refuses to step down after elections and people continue to starve.

 

[Lord_Byron28]

Precisely. The media fucked up in 2016 but its crazy that reporters from BUZZFEED and MOTHER JONES are the ones who picked up the torch

Other big surprise: the 2-3 journalists on Fox News who actually have taken a stand against Trump's attacks against the media.

Time to fight back after screwing the pooch in 2016, journalists.

The New York Times and Washington Post were going in on Trump and digging up dirt on him the entire election cycle. People just ignored those stories because they couldn't possibly be true but let Benghazi and Emails scare everyone. New York Times was reporting on Trump's strange Russian connections way back in the spring of 2016. Washington Post was also on to the Trump/Russia connection writing stories about different findings they had found. While Buzzfeed definitely played a major role. I think you are overstating their influence. CNN reported a story about Obama and Trump being briefed on this document. Buzzfeed hopped on and took control of the media train CNN had started. The Washington Post released a story last week that resulted in Flynn's resignation.

CNN will probably be the one to get most of the credit/blame in the end while they didn't really do much. All because Trump really likes to bully them and single them out.

 

[Flying Toaster]

The New York Times and Washington Post were going in on Trump and digging up dirt on him the entire election cycle. People just ignored those stories because they couldn't possibly be true but let Benghazi and Emails scare everyone. New York Times was reporting on Trump's strange Russian connections way back in the spring of 2016. Washington Post was also on to the Trump/Russia connection writing stories about different findings they had found. While Buzzfeed definitely played a major role. I think you are overstating their influence. CNN reported a story about Obama and Trump being briefed on this document. Buzzfeed hopped on and took control of the media train CNN had started. The Washington Post released a story last week that resulted in Flynn's resignation.

CNN will probably be the one to get most of the credit/blame in the end while they didn't really do much. All because Trump really likes to bully them and single them out.

This plus... Americans have started to rely on news directly from Facebook and television. The televised media is where the interviews and debates happened so of course those areas of news softballed to get exclusive interviews and time from the candidates.

The Times and the Post have been gold.

 

[shinra-bansho]

I would say the New York Times and others' singular focus on a couple Clinton "scandals" in their bothsides balancing act was pretty instrumental to Trump.

I guess the argument could be made that they didn't know how to deal with someone with just so many scandals.

I mean for ten weeks from mid-July the top response to "What Read, Seen or Heard About Hillary Clinton?" was Emails for 8 weeks. The other two were Health and Convention.

Conversely Trump's changed week by week.
And for some reason President was the top word for 1 week and in the top 4 for three other weeks. But in her top 4 only once in all of 10 weeks.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/195596/email-dominates-americans-heard-clinton.aspx

 

[cartoon_soldier]

New York Times had full front page coverage of just Comey's letter in the last two weeks. They haven't done anything like that remotely for any Trump Scandal. I mean every story was about Clinton email scandal and they had something related to it on the front page for like the next week.

Yes, they did investigate and report on Trump during campaign. But nothing got wall to wall coverage like the Comey letter.

And it is important because what the NY Times covers drives coverage in local press too.

 

[Pixieking]

I think the NYT's imbalance was just the continuation of the GOP's hatred for Hillary. I would argue that if you want to see the normalisation of the "but Hillary!" narrative, you don't look at last year, you look at every year since Monica Lewinsky in the 90s.

As a parallel theme, I think the broadsheets (the NYT, WaPo, LATimes) seriously overestimated how much influence they had over the average Joe's perception of Trump. Every article about how Trump didn't pay his contractors, sexually assaulted a woman, walked-in on women as they were changing, lied etc. was going to be "the one that brought Trump down". But it wasn't the number of scandals that confounded the press, it was that no-one gave a damn. Every time news broke of a new scandal, people cared less and less. (Obviously a generalisation, because lots of people voted Hillary, but still...).

In this sense, I think the electorate got what it deserved. There is a large part of me that just thinks "Oh, hey, maybe now you'll care what actual journalists say!"

 

[benjipwns]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/19/us/politics/fec-elections-ann-ravel-campaign-finance.html

WASHINGTON — A Democrat on the Federal Election Commission is quitting her term early because of the gridlock that has gripped the panel, offering President Trump an unexpected chance to shape political spending rules.

The commissioner, Ann M. Ravel, said during an interview that she would send Mr. Trump her letter of resignation this week. She pointed to a series of deadlocked votes between the panel's three Democrats and three Republicans that she said left her little hope the group would ever be able to rein in campaign finance abuses.

”The ability of the commission to perform its role has deteriorated significantly," said Ms. Ravel, who has sparred bitterly with the Republican election commissioners during her three years on the panel. She added, ”I think I can be more effective on the outside."

Her departure will probably set off an intense political fight over how a new commissioner should be picked. By tradition, Senate Democrats would be allowed to select the replacement, but, by law, the choice belongs to the president, and Mr. Trump has shown little interest in Washington customs.

Mr. Hasen said he would not be surprised if Mr. Trump made the pick himself, especially because his White House counsel, Donald F. McGahn II, was an election commissioner himself and has pushed fiercely for deregulating campaign finance.

what could go wrong for the Democrats

 

[Plinko]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/19/us/politics/fec-elections-ann-ravel-campaign-finance.html


what could go wrong for the Democrats

What a dumb, dumb decision.

"Oh, gridlocked votes! Better just quit so another republican can get on the panel and allow every GOP decision to win."

 

[benjipwns]

What a dumb, dumb decision.

"Oh, gridlocked votes! Better just quit so another republican can get on the panel and allow every GOP decision to win."

I'll be forwarding her planned explanation report to a certain four Supreme Court justices.

 

[Nelo Ice]

What a dumb, dumb decision.

"Oh, gridlocked votes! Better just quit so another republican can get on the panel and allow every GOP decision to win."

Yeah this will end badly. Damnit so many nightmares. I'm practically begging for damning Russia evidence so Trump and his administration are hopefully gone by the end of the year.

 

[sunshine and gasoline]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/19/us/politics/fec-elections-ann-ravel-campaign-finance.html


what could go wrong for the Democrats

Someone please smack some sense into her.

 

[nature boy]

What's the Reuters report regarding the Orange Fascist and Russia?

Found it:
U.S. inquiries into Russian election hacking include three FBI probes

The U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation is pursuing at least three separate probes relating to alleged Russian hacking of the U.S. presidential elections, according to five current and former government officials with direct knowledge of the situation.

While the fact that the FBI is investigating had been reported previously by the New York Times and other media, these officials shed new light on both the precise number of inquires and their focus.

The FBI's Pittsburgh field office, which runs many cyber security investigations, is trying to identify the people behind breaches of the Democratic National Committee's computer systems, the officials said. Those breaches, in 2015 and the first half of 2016, exposed the internal communications of party officials as the Democratic nominating convention got underway and helped undermine support for Hillary Clinton.

The Pittsburgh case has progressed furthest, but Justice Department officials in Washington believe there is not enough clear evidence yet for an indictment, two of the sources said.

Meanwhile the bureau's San Francisco office is trying to identify the people who called themselves ”Guccifer 2" and posted emails stolen from Clinton campaign manager John Podesta's account, the sources said. Those emails contained details about fundraising by the Clinton Foundation and other topics.

Beyond the two FBI field offices, FBI counterintelligence agents based in Washington are pursuing leads from informants and foreign communications intercepts, two of the people said.

This counterintelligence inquiry includes but is not limited to examination of financial transactions by Russian individuals and companies who are believed to have links to Trump associates. The transactions under scrutiny involve investments by Russians in overseas entities that appear to have been undertaken through middlemen and front companies, two people briefed on the probe said.

Reuters could not confirm which entities and individuals were under scrutiny.

...

The people who spoke to Reuters also corroborated a Tuesday New York Times report that Americans with ties to Trump or his campaign had repeated contacts with current and former Russian intelligence officers before the November election. Those alleged contacts are among the topics of the FBI counterintelligence investigation.

 

[sazzy]

 

[sazzy]

What a dumb, dumb decision.

"Oh, gridlocked votes! Better just quit so another republican can get on the panel and allow every GOP decision to win."

from the article

Mr. Trump can pick a nominee himself so long as he does not choose a registered Republican, said Richard L. Hasen, an election law scholar at the University of California, Irvine. The panel, which already has three Republicans, cannot have more than three members from any political party.

 

[benjipwns]

from the article

There are plenty of states where you don't have to register your political party. Or even just pick "independent" or something.

 

[Emerson]

Supposed to be some new scandal story dropping today right?

 

[Plinko]

from the article

Even so--can't they find an "independent" who votes republican all the time?

 

[benjipwns]

Trump should appoint me, I'm not a registered member of any party.