I can't believe they nominated this guy.
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PoliGAF 2017 |OT1| From Russia with Love
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I'll save you the trouble and post the headline tomorrow:
"McMaster resigns as President Trump's National Security Adviser"
whyamihere
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Oh boy. I mean, this is great, but.
Abinash117
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There's something I noticed when watching some Sargon's videos, PDP latest videos, and reading comments from some people who are young right-wingers. Sargon seems to pick out tweets or statements from a supposed leftest that heavily criticize aspects that are usually connected to someone being white or a young white male. Sometimes the commentator says something that is far out there; but regardless the commentator is criticizing whitness, comment about racism, or sexism and sometimes connecting them.
I always wondered about who they are these SJW and feminists they are complaining about. I'm starting to come the conclusions that these SJW and feminists are basically random and anonymous ( not always ) internet users who are criticizing whitness, etc. The GG, alt-right, etc people were possibly reading these comments took it personally - saw it as an attack against them and thus GG, MRA, alt-right etc become the counter-movement overtime.
TheLaughingStock
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http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/2/24/14696602/ellison-perez-dnc-race
How can the Democratic party move out of crisis mode if the Bernie pick isn't moderate enough?
According to Vox, there are concerns that Ellison is too left but they also say the position doesn't set the party's ideological agenda. Moreover, there are concerns about fundraising from wealthy donors threatened by Bernie's message. However, no mention of whether that can be offset by other stakeholders within the Democratic party. It all seems very corrupt and it looks like the party may be systemically threatened as an institution if current power players maintain control.
Do you guys think the Democratic party will break apart if the Obama/Clinton wing continue to run the show? It seems like the pragmatic thing to do would be to let the Sander's wing take control, lose elections, then say see I told you so. What do you think? 🤔
balladofwindfishes
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lol no. That puts way too many people's lives in danger just to say "I told you so"
A lot of people are very susceptible to branding campaigns. See: Trump is a great businessman, Obamacare is death panels, etc.
It's the pragmatic thing to do because Ellison can get the job done and picking someone else will bring embarrassing drama that'll only continue to distract from 2018 and beyond. Ellison as chair isn't even "letting the Sander's wing take control" anyway, considering Pelosi and Schumer.
to what extent do you think Spicer and Miller try to get Trump to watch anime
benicillin
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Perez is a fine choice, I think he'd do fine at the job, I just don't like that it seems like a lot of the internal push for him came from Obama's folks. I would've liked to see Ellison or Mayor Pete or anyone that wasn't related to the complete dysfunction of the DNC over the last 8 years. Like Perez is fine, but nominating him gives the appearance that they haven't learned any lessons.
Roland_Gunner
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Framing the Ellison / Perez choice as Sanders vs Clinton / Obama is completely flawed since most prominent Clinton supporters are backing Ellison. Perez is backed by most Obama + Biden people and the unions. There really isn't a liberal / left split here.
Bonen no Max'd
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Might be true for endorsements but aren't most of the actual DNC members voting for him Clintonites?
I think most of the objection to Ellison anyways coming from people who want to resist Sanders' influence in the party, given the stuff Cybit's been posting about. I think there's some pragmatism from Schumer/Pelosi here anyways, Schumer wants to snuggle up to Bernie and Pelosi dodged someone who could pose a more serious leadership challenge than Tim Ryan.
Jesus he is tripling on this whole enemy and danger shit this is scary
Based on...?
benicillin
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It's literally the same thing he's been saying for weeks. He has an incredibly small vocabulary and every Tweet is like a mashup made of words from the same campaign speech he's been giving for two years now. Enemy danger victory sad weak loser failing etc etc etc.
Bonen no Max'd
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Maybe I just was making assumptions, but the Perez supporters who are opposed to supporting Ellison are (supposedly) making this a proxy war because Bernie was too negative in the primary. Those seem like people more likely to be attached to Clinton to me?
Neither Clinton made a public endorsement anyways so it makes sense that resentful Clintonites would be the ones opposing Ellison, especially since they have the most to lose.
Roland_Gunner
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I don't pretend to know what most DNC members are thinking but this seems like a further breakdown of the party decides model. Ellison has a far more impressive list of endorsements from the two major wings of the party but he isn't closing the deal with individual voters. There was a clear push to get the party behind Ellison, ironically just like what happened with Clinton last year, and it didn't take.
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Is anyone going to make threads for either of these?
If not I can throw something together for them.
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Trump fatigue setting in as expected. People pay attention to stuff for two weeks. Two weeks for the EOs, then two weeks for Russia. People will stop paying attention until something big happens, I would expect the next big thing to be his IS-war plan.
So here's a question I've had for years about healthcare reform but don't think I've asked (or if I did, I forgot).
Ryan and his ilk want to turn medicare into basically a voucher program right? The idea being that people can get a certain amount of money and buy private insurance. But the youngest of people on such a thing, at least ideally, would be 55 (this is the cut off point for every one of these types of bills).
But isn't the whole reason for medicare existing the way it is, is because private insurance providers didn't want to cover people that old to begin with? Why would any insurance provider want to take on people who are more likely to get sick and cost the insurer way more money than they would get with Ryan's stupid voucher (which would remain static)?
Ryan and his ilk want to turn medicare into basically a voucher program right? The idea being that people can get a certain amount of money and buy private insurance. But the youngest of people on such a thing, at least ideally, would be 55 (this is the cut off point for every one of these types of bills).
But isn't the whole reason for medicare existing the way it is, is because private insurance providers didn't want to cover people that old to begin with? Why would any insurance provider want to take on people who are more likely to get sick and cost the insurer way more money than they would get with Ryan's stupid voucher (which would remain static)?
ItWasMeantToBe19
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There were 400 people in Utah tonight to yell at Mia Love and Jason Chaffetz cardboard cutouts.
Trump just hasn't said much in the last four hours.
Bonen no Max'd
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It won't
Ryan likes the idea of poor people dying without healthcare and rich people making money from it
the only people who benefit to private insurance are people who make money from private insurance
I feel fatigue was true immediately after the election, but much less so now. The outrage and the feverish pace of resistance has only grown.
Bonen no Max'd
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I'm not talking about voters (though I don't know how large a group that is lol) I'm talking about DNC members
and people saying "we want to cut off Bernie's influence because we believe it's bad because he went negative against Hillary" are probably people from Clintonworld
I'm not talking about voters either.
Bonen no Max'd
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Like okay the Clintons since they gained substantial power have been staffing the party with their people for literal decades. That's fine and normal, all of politics is gaining enough power to accomplish your goals. These are people who helped clear the field so Hillary would get the nomination, probably out of loyalty or hopes that they would get a better job in November. In spite of Ellison's early attempts to seem like a unity/consensus pick, they see him as an outside force trying to gain power for a wing of the party that is antagonistic to them especially in the wake of their loss.
Do you really think they weren't Clinton people objecting to Ellison? It's not some cold indictment of them, they're trying to keep what power they have, just like how the social democracy/Bernie wing are trying to seize more power.
Private health insurance for the elderly definitely wouldn't work, because eventually the chance that you're going to suffer an insanely costly illness approaches 100%, unless you die quickly of a sudden heart attack, stroke, or some lethal mishap. Otherwise you get cancer, you slide into physically crippling dementia, you *survive* that heart attack and cost the insurance company $Texas a year for the next two years you last.
Even voucherized medicare would have to have heavy government subsidies on top of the vouchers.
CrimzonSamurai
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Stephen Fucking Miller just came into my restaurant 5 minutes before closing and I had to cook him fried chicken. So much irony. So much rage.
Randolph Freelander
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https://apnews.com/7ac62f9365f447b5ad57924bce004937
A Syrian who worked on a nominated film for the Oscars has been blocked at the last moment from entering the country.
No reasons given.
A Syrian who worked on a nominated film for the Oscars has been blocked at the last moment from entering the country.
No reasons given.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
That sucks and you can't say shit. Local congressman came into my restaurant when he was the DA. Thankfully I don't think he comes in anymore because I would not be able to serve his table.
Quick sidebar, I cannot fucking believe that PDP thread on Gaming side. Some folks are cheering him on for "calling out the media" and going on about how it's all #FakeNews. Like, really? We're doing this now?
Then again, shame on me for reading any vaguely political thread on Gaming side, this shit shouldn't surprise me anymore.
Then again, shame on me for reading any vaguely political thread on Gaming side, this shit shouldn't surprise me anymore.
There's a gaming forum here too?
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I would have had words and gotten fired. Your restraint is remarkable.
excelsiorlef
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CrimzonSamurai
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Everyone was just referring to him as "the nazi at the bar" in the kitchen. It's like on top of all his nazi bullshit he comes in 5 minutes before closing and orders a 12 minute dish.
Almost went to the bar after the kitchen closed to see if I could fuck with him in some way but my sense of self preservation steered me away. I was just gonna sit next to him and loudly order a White Russian with emphasis on the white but still. Not worth it
I did try to get the server to tell him the only white cook on the line made it for him because he'd like that but they obviously wouldn't go for it.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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More important question: do you really think that the only people within the Democratic Party who could possibly have any objection to Bernie Sanders or Ellison were installed by the Clintons?
Because that's a conspiracy theory that is just not worth engaging with. Sorry.
Randolph Freelander
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Meanwhile, 69% of his reviewed statements as of today rate as mostly false or worse.
And yes, I tweeted that at him (as if it would mean anything).
excelsiorlef
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And the sad thing is the perception from many folks of why she doesn't just say fuck it and get out if dodge isn't that she genuinely cares oh no it's that she's self serving and power hungry or some shit.
shinra-bansho
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Why would it be remotely surprising that Barack Obama and people "in his orbit" in the Democratic Party would be opposed to "handing the party over" to an independent and his fairweather followers, who has helped to stoke animosity towards the Democratic Party and who is ideologically and practically more dissimilar... over his former Labor Secretary.
Like duh.
If Barack Obama were the only one deciding, then it would be Perez without a doubt.
Like duh.
If Barack Obama were the only one deciding, then it would be Perez without a doubt.
Bonen no Max'd
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I'm not making a conspiracy or saying there's a big plot against him from the nefarious Clintons. I'm saying that after thirty years of Clinton leadership a large part of the party members are going to be Clinton people. These people probably are probably the most loyal to the Clintons and would have the most to lose from Sanders sticking his guy in an important role. They probably don't want that.
I didn't say everyone opposing Ellison is a Clintonite or that every Clintonite is opposing Ellison, but when most Perez supporters are hostile to Ellison and Perez's support surged after it looked like Ellison was consolidating support, I don't think it's a wild conspiracy to go "hey, these people mad about Bernie campaigning negatively against Hillary are also opposing his guy for DNC chair."
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They fell for the Republican smear machine.
I'm not advocating such behavior, but I have spit in people's drinks for much less than being a white supremacist.
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