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I could not follow that conversation at all. Who is trying to say what?
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good fucking lord.
Oh I thought Brown said that not Carson. But then Carson still hasn't been confirmed yet has he? That's why I'm confused when people said "X and Y" voted for Carson.
TestOfTide
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"Courtesy" says the guy who wants to undermine the Democrats more than actually opposing Trump.
Is Byrne anti-JD and Jilani Pro-JD here? Kind of hard to understand without avatars.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Zaid Jilani (dumbass Intercept writer) says that a Senator from Hawaii should be primaried because he cast a meaninglessly yes vote on confirming the CIA director.
Bernie's GOTV person says that's stupid.
I think literally the only thing Zaid Jilani has gotten right over the last six years is that he knows Tulsi Gabbard is a Hindu Nationalist, lol.
Please stop making up your own definitions for what far left means.
whyamihere
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Byrne is anti-JD.
smokeandmirrors
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How else will they conduct their purity tests without their made up definitions
cooljeanius
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Picking their battles I guess.
shinra-bansho
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Time to primary elizabeth forma.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Trump's budget director says that he hopes Trump hired him to cut Social Security and Medicare.
https://twitter.com/SenateDems/status/823970089460441100
https://twitter.com/SenateDems/status/823970089460441100
Will trump even let him cut SS and Medicare?
metalslimer
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So do they want to primary Warren as well?
NO NERDS 2018
I wouldn't be surprised if there's some weirdo in this administration who would like to bring back DDT, what with the massive hate boner the right has for Rachel Carson. It's been something that I've seen discussed here and there for years.
Chrissakes, the USDA gag order is really unprecedented. It would be like people in the 20s trying to deny the fact that lead arsenate is bad for your health.
Chrissakes, the USDA gag order is really unprecedented. It would be like people in the 20s trying to deny the fact that lead arsenate is bad for your health.
Third Strike
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I think that is one way for Trump's supporters to turn on him (a la 2006 midterms). Really stupid if they attempt this.
He keeps no promises. He'll obscure all facts and figures and provide alternative facts.
Expect a lot of "Life has become better, comrades. Life has become merrier!"
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Guys like Stalin and Mao and Chavez actually were respected by their people so people could buy into their conspiracies.
Trump is a clown like Maduro that no respects and no one believes.
aspiegamer
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I can appreciate modbot shutting down the press briefings thread as a fork of PoliGAF, largely because it was impossible to really pick out what we might think is a "separate enough" discussion. Posting frequency here is a lot lower as it's in Community and people might need to be pointed here from any of the dozen Trump threads we're going to have per day that'll inevitably have duplicated content and discussion.
Unfortunately the only fix here is better education of other members, which isn't easy. I was going to say that having something like "The Administration |OT|" or similar exclusively to catch-all on daily topics and not the broader range of things that PoliGAF can go over, but after thinking about it further I can see how that would be extremely difficult to moderate and contain. Again, it would only work well if every participating person knew the "rules" there, which is asking far too much. Coping with multiple news threads daily seems like a necessary evil, even if it bloats the forum some.
Apologies if this sounds like backseat modding, but the goal here should be working to lower and simplify the overall work load of the mod crew in a situation I do not envy them having to deal with.
Unfortunately the only fix here is better education of other members, which isn't easy. I was going to say that having something like "The Administration |OT|" or similar exclusively to catch-all on daily topics and not the broader range of things that PoliGAF can go over, but after thinking about it further I can see how that would be extremely difficult to moderate and contain. Again, it would only work well if every participating person knew the "rules" there, which is asking far too much. Coping with multiple news threads daily seems like a necessary evil, even if it bloats the forum some.
Apologies if this sounds like backseat modding, but the goal here should be working to lower and simplify the overall work load of the mod crew in a situation I do not envy them having to deal with.
You know, I wasn't really clear on whether Bernie was a protectionist or not. I haven't seen him specifically talk about what tax rates he would charge businesses who outsource or other methods of punishment. Thom Hartmann, who I think it is a pretty smart guy, seems to agree with both Bernie and even Trump as well, so I don't know what to think.
lieberul liecon elizabeth forma?
Same. Should be getting more attention.
http://www.ceskatelevize.cz/ct24/domaci/2021553-agenti-fbi-miri-do-prahy-vyslechnout-ruskeho-hackera-nikulina
FBI trying to investigate a Russian hacker in Prague.
FBI trying to investigate a Russian hacker in Prague.
Bernie is pretty protectionist -- more than I'd like. And Thom Hartmann is the RT host, right...?
She doesn't have to vote for him for any particular reason.
Personally I think protectionism is short sighted. Protectionism seems to forget that trade is important for world peace. Unrestricted trade does hurt the low skill labor in the wealthier country, but I think that can be addressed by the government reinvesting some the gains from trade back into those people.
shinra-bansho
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Why did you put inverted commas around "entire"?
Also, no one cares what Norway does.
Also, no one cares what Norway does.
Get a load of this Sweden-lover.
Well she's going to lose in 2018 anyway.
shinra-bansho
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Koch money. Where are they getting theirs from?
Further advancing the real culprit for most reduction in unskilled labour...
eBay Huckster
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Winning (at first) local races fueled by a massive influx of Koch money?
shinra-bansho
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This is often overlooked. The basic purpose of the EU is preservation of peace. The interlinking of economies is a big part of ensuring this.
Similarly, the prospect of actual military conflict between China and the US is significantly diminished by how interdependent they are.
Which is the benefit of protectionism I meant. The sooner there are no unskilled manufacturing jobs left, the better. This weird fetishizing of manufacturing jobs is really hurting economies everywhere.
Ok, so folks get it here at least.
I mean, the idea of primarying Dems with outside money + more left-leaning candidates works if you're doing it in an area where the R has no chance of winning (like, you could do it in Washington for instance). So saying that the more left leaning folks will lose in the general election is a non-starter, because you shouldn't be doing it in any district / state you actually have a chance of losing in. You also sort of need a wave election in some areas, because that provides cover for the more extreme folks to still win if you want to be the majority of the Dem Party.
Because 2010 was a mid-term, and the end of a decade, and had the contentious ACA go through (and cause a heavier than normal backlash), it led to a bit of a perfect storm (along with craptons of money being poured in). Winning the 2010 wave election across the country also let them gerrymander a ton of the districts, meaning that you were no longer worrying about facing a competitive general election in most cases (wave elections not withstanding), and the primary was in fact the actual election. Add in a super ineffective GOP leadership, and voila, you're set.
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I don't think we're going to get quite that lucky on the Dem side. Also, all that said, I think the Tea Party was a terrible thing for the GOP long-term, and I think trying to ideologically purify the Dem Party in a similar way is also a terrible idea.
I mean, the idea of primarying Dems with outside money + more left-leaning candidates works if you're doing it in an area where the R has no chance of winning (like, you could do it in Washington for instance). So saying that the more left leaning folks will lose in the general election is a non-starter, because you shouldn't be doing it in any district / state you actually have a chance of losing in. You also sort of need a wave election in some areas, because that provides cover for the more extreme folks to still win if you want to be the majority of the Dem Party.
Because 2010 was a mid-term, and the end of a decade, and had the contentious ACA go through (and cause a heavier than normal backlash), it led to a bit of a perfect storm (along with craptons of money being poured in). Winning the 2010 wave election across the country also let them gerrymander a ton of the districts, meaning that you were no longer worrying about facing a competitive general election in most cases (wave elections not withstanding), and the primary was in fact the actual election. Add in a super ineffective GOP leadership, and voila, you're set.
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I don't think we're going to get quite that lucky on the Dem side. Also, all that said, I think the Tea Party was a terrible thing for the GOP long-term, and I think trying to ideologically purify the Dem Party in a similar way is also a terrible idea.
shinra-bansho
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I'm fine with this.
Provided you can then convince these people to take up denigrated "pink jobs" instead of bitching about their old jobs, old pay and old privilege.
Tea Party was not the Republicans proper by any margin. Maybe they're synonymous now but there's a reason why Boehner was basically a man on a fucking wild bull trying to wrangle in these people who refused to do anything but dig their heels in till they bucked him off for Ryan. Look how well that was going for Ryan till Trump showed up.
It's not weird, it's what people remember from the good old days. Back when a guy could provide for his whole family by himself, own a home, get a pension, with the union at his back.
People just want what used to be around because laissez-faire post-industrial economics, with all of the cool stuff and new opportunities they have brought, have failed to provide them security.
Daddy Trump is home.
NYCmetsfan
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are these really his infrastructure priorities.
I mean they are good
But like they're all for people who didn't vote for Trump
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3409546/Emergency-NatSec50Projects-121416-1-Reduced.pdf
none of his constituents are gonna be helped by most of these
I mean they are good
But like they're all for people who didn't vote for Trump
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3409546/Emergency-NatSec50Projects-121416-1-Reduced.pdf
none of his constituents are gonna be helped by most of these
Well they are benefiting from it in the short-term.
None of his constituents live in areas with infrastructures that have a high volume of use on a near constant basis and are crumbling.
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