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PoliGAF 2017 |OT1| From Russia with Love

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benjipwns

benjipwns

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Mobius and pet octopus said:
Whats the deal with freedom of information act vs trump's attempt to gag certain federal agencies from revealing statistics?
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Frank the Great said:
The scariest part about all this horrible Trump news, such as scientists being silenced and reporters getting arrested . . . In a few months it will be the new normal.
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This stuff is already normal and has been for years.

Heck, we had some people wanting to get rid of FOIA altogether like less than a year ago.
 
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Lest anyone think that Regular Joe will realize that Trump's ridiculous 3 - 5 million fake voters claim is nonsense, I was listening to the radio this morning and a caller chimed in about how OF COURSE there are millions of fraudulent votes, don't you remember how Obama worked at ACORN!!!
 
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Crab said:
It'd be a bold move. Like, destroying that norm would have titanic impact - more, even, than slowing Supreme Court appointees. You would consciously be tearing out the heart of modern American politics. I don't know if the Democrats should be willing to do that, without very good reason.

On the other hand, if you suspect the Republicans are going to do it anyway...
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What do you propose that the Democratic Party do to stop Trump's cabinet appointees?

It's one thing to suggest this if they had a majority in the Senate, but they don't. They have no power in the Senate, besides a filibuster for legislation and Supreme Court nominations, both of which could easily go away if the GOP wants.
 
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sphagnum said:
Lest anyone think that Regular Joe will realize that Trump's ridiculous 3 - 5 million fake voters claim is nonsense, I was listening to the radio this morning and a caller chimed in about how OF COURSE there are millions of fraudulent votes, don't you remember how Obama worked at ACORN!!!
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Thanks for starting this off, John McCain.
 
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Carpe Libertatem said:
What do you propose that the Democratic Party do to stop Trump's cabinet appointees?

It's one thing to suggest this if they had a majority in the Senate, but they don't. They have no power in the Senate, besides a filibuster for legislation and Supreme Court nominations, both of which could easily go away if the GOP wants.
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Nothing

Let the administration's picks fail. Why should the Democrats baby sit Trump?
 
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https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/01/thanks-to-trump-scientists-are-planning-to-run-for-office/514229/?utm_source=atlfb

The organization, named after the first three digits of pi, is a political action committee that was created to support scientists in running for office. It’s the science version of Emily’s List, which focuses on pro-choice female candidates, or VoteVets, which backs war veterans. “A lot of scientists traditionally feel that science is above politics but we’re seeing that politics is not above getting involved in science,” says founder Shaughnessy Naughton. “We’re losing, and the only way to stop that is to get more people with scientific backgrounds at the table.”
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This is awesome. Maybe someone could make a thread about this? I can't make a thread. This is something really position coming from the negative black hole that is Trump.
 
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Carpe Libertatem said:
What do you propose that the Democratic Party do to stop Trump's cabinet appointees?

It's one thing to suggest this if they had a majority in the Senate, but they don't. They have no power in the Senate, besides a filibuster for legislation and Supreme Court nominations, both of which could easily go away if the GOP wants.
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Oh, I'm talking in hypotheticals. I know they can't do it now. But it's a possibility from 2018.

Mostly I think it is worth bearing in mind for the next Democratic presidency, though. Something to plan for.
 
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benjipwns

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sphagnum said:
On the plus side it's more specific!
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I have some legislation they could amend.

Of course, it'll screw up a bunch of court rulings protecting government and former government employees but, I think keeping our legislation updated is more important in the long run.
 
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Wilsongt said:
Unsurprisingly, the Christian right has spun the Women's March over the weekend as being a Pro Late Term abortion march.

Sad.
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There were PRO-LIFE feminist groups griping about how they were not formally invited to the march, stating how they can claim to be for equality and inclusion when they specifically weren't invited.

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Had a crazy ass dream last night where I was in some concentration camp like facility run by trump and he kept doing nazi ish things to us like lining everyone up, registering everyone's names, selecting random people in the line to kill. I felt legit terror in this dream and at one point I remember specifically thinking oh my god pigeon was right

Military parades..purging the intelligence agencies of disloyals..national patriotic holiday..calling cnn fake, shouting out fox news, which is a thinly disguised propaganda network..

Even if he's not putting stars on ethnics' shirts yet, its scary how many signs there be
 
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Score 1 for Greenpeace.

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/824299346057457664

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NYCmetsfan said:
They're literally transforming the phrase "global war on terrorism" to "war on radical islamism"

this is going to kill so many people and backfire
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that's... pretty much all the global war on terrorism did so far.

also a reminder that, if bams had chosen to prosecute all the fucks involved with the black sites? maaaaybe they'd be shitscared of doing it again, knowing that the next democratic administration would drag them over the coals. Alas.
 
benjipwns

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Even after having Hitler as our President for a quarter of a century we still don't have all this:
Whoever has no citizenship is to be able to live in Germany only as a guest, and must be under the authority of legislation for foreigners.

The right to determine matters concerning administration and law belongs only to the citizen. Therefore, we demand that every public office, of any sort whatsoever, whether in the Reich, the county or municipality, be filled only by citizens. We combat the corrupting parliamentary economy, office-holding only according to party inclinations without consideration of character or abilities.

We demand that the state be charged first with providing the opportunity for a livelihood and way of life for the citizens. If it is impossible to sustain the total population of the State, then the members of foreign nations (non-citizens) are to be expelled from the Reich.

Any further immigration of non-citizens is to be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans, who have immigrated to Germany since 2 August 1914, be forced immediately to leave the Reich.

All citizens must have equal rights and obligations.

The first obligation of every citizen must be to work both spiritually and physically. The activity of individuals is not to counteract the interests of the universality, but must have its result within the framework of the whole for the benefit of all. Consequently, we demand:

Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of debt (interest)-slavery.

In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice in property and blood that each war demands of the people, personal enrichment through a war must be designated as a crime against the people. Therefore, we demand the total confiscation of all war profits.

We demand the nationalisation of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).

We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.

We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.

We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.

We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land.

We demand struggle without consideration against those whose activity is injurious to the general interest. Common national criminals, usurers, profiteers and so forth are to be punished with death, without consideration of confession or race.

We demand substitution of a German common law in place of the Roman Law serving a materialistic world-order.

The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education and subsequently introduction into leading positions. The plans of instruction of all educational institutions are to conform with the experiences of practical life. The comprehension of the concept of the State must be striven for by the school [Staatsbürgerkunde] as early as the beginning of understanding. We demand the education at the expense of the State of outstanding intellectually gifted children of poor parents without consideration of position or profession.

The State is to care for the elevating national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor, by the encouragement of physical fitness, by means of the legal establishment of a gymnastic and sport obligation, by the utmost support of all organizations concerned with the physical instruction of the young.

We demand abolition of the mercenary troops and formation of a national army.

We demand legal opposition to known lies and their promulgation through the press.
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c. Non-Germans are forbidden by law any financial interest in German publications, or any influence on them, and as punishment for violations the closing of such a publication as well as the immediate expulsion from the Reich of the non-German concerned. Publications which are counter to the general good are to be forbidden. We demand legal prosecution of artistic and literary forms which exert a destructive influence on our national life, and the closure of organizations opposing the above made demands.

We demand freedom of religion for all religious denominations within the state so long as they do not endanger its existence or oppose the moral senses of the Germanic race. The Party as such advocates the standpoint of a positive Christianity without binding itself confessionally to any one denomination. It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and around us, and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our nation can only succeed from within on the framework: The common good before the individual good.
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Particle Physicist said:
Holy fuck
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I know. I was legitimately frightened when I read these.

For those of you who don't like clicking links, here are the 14 Characteristics of Facism:

Dr. Lawrence Britt said:
Political scientist Dr. Lawrence Britt recently wrote an article about fascism ("Fascism Anyone?," Free Inquiry, Spring 2003, page 20). Studying the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile), Dr. Britt found they all had 14 elements in common. He calls these the identifying characteristics of fascism. The excerpt is in accordance with the magazine's policy.

The 14 characteristics are:

Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

Supremacy of the Military
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

Rampant Sexism
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.

Controlled Mass Media
Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

Obsession with National Security
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

Religion and Government are Intertwined
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

Corporate Power is Protected
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

Labor Power is Suppressed
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .

Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

Fraudulent Elections
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
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Unsecured Android phone... what could possibly go wrong?
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Got the Shakes said:
I know. I was legitimately frightened when I read these.
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Your president is a fascist man-child. It's impossible to argue otherwise.
I'm sure even his closest friends and advisors would agree with that assessment.
 
benjipwns

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Got the Shakes said:
So by my count we've hit all or just about all of the 14 Characteristics of Facism that Dr. Lawrence Britt described and we're 6 days in.

https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html
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We hit most of those before he even wrote that.

Also, he's not a PhD or degreed in any form of political scientist, he's a retired Xerox executive who wrote a novel.

Laurence W. Britt said:
For your information I never made a claim that I was a ”Dr." Someone on the internet made that ASSUMPTION when they passed on the article. I am a retired businessman with a life long interest in history and current events. I have a personal book collection on these subjects of over 3000 volumes. I've contributed chapters to three books, written another and am working on a second. I've written approximately 25 magazine and newspaper articles on political and economic affairs. I spent about 200 hours researching the fascism article building on a lifetime interest in the subject. My novel, ”June, 2004″ was written in 1997 and published in 1998. It was a fictional treatment of a future of fascism in America, which has turned out quite predictive of actual events since it was published.
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Just so this timeline of events doesn't get buried in the EPA thread and we can have it available here...

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Not mine, and I can't verify its accuracy, but I did see this shared around on FB a bit

We are 4 days in.

* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the DOJ's Violence Against Women programs.

* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the National Endowment for the Arts.

* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the National Endowment for the Humanities.

* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting.

* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Minority Business Development Agency.

* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Economic Development Administration.

* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the International Trade Administration.

* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Manufacturing Extension Partnership.

* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Community Oriented Policing Services.

* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Legal Services Corporation.

* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Civil Rights Division of the DOJ.

* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Environmental and Natural Resources Division of the DOJ.

* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Overseas Private Investment Corporation.

* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Electricity Deliverability and Energy Reliability.

* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy.

* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Fossil Energy.

* On January 20th, 2017, DT ordered all regulatory powers of all federal agencies frozen.

* On January 20th, 2017, DT ordered the National Parks Service to stop using social media after RTing factual, side by side photos of the crowds for the 2009 and 2017 inaugurations.

* On January 20th, 2017, roughly 230 protestors were arrested in DC and face unprecedented felony riot charges. Among them were legal observers, journalists, and medics.

* On January 20th, 2017, a member of the International Workers of the World was shot in the stomach at an anti-fascist protest in Seattle. He remains in critical condition.

* On January 21st, 2017, DT brought a group of 40 cheerleaders to a meeting with the CIA to cheer for him during a speech that consisted almost entirely of framing himself as the victim of dishonest press.

* On January 21st, 2017, White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer held a press conference largely to attack the press for accurately reporting the size of attendance at the inaugural festivities, saying that the inauguration had the largest audience of any in history, ”period."

* On January 22nd, 2017, White House advisor Kellyann Conway defended Spicer's lies as ”alternative facts" on national television news.

* On January 22nd, 2017, DT appeared to blow a kiss to director James Comey during a meeting with the FBI, and then opened his arms in a gesture of strange, paternal affection, before hugging him with a pat on the back.

* On January 23rd, 2017, DT reinstated the global gag order, which defunds international organizations that even mention abortion as a medical option.

* On January 23rd, 2017, Spicer said that the US will not tolerate China's expansion onto islands in the South China Sea, essentially threatening war with China.

* On January 23rd, 2017, DT repeated the lie that 3-5 million people voted ”illegally" thus costing him the popular vote.

* On January 23rd, 2017, it was announced that the man who shot the anti-fascist protester in Seattle was released without charges, despite turning himself in.

* On January 24th, 2017, Spicer reiterated the lie that 3-5 million people voted ”illegally" thus costing DT the popular vote.

* On January 24th, 2017, DT tweeted a picture from his personal Twitter account of a photo he says depicts the crowd at his inauguration and will hang in the White House press room. The photo is of the 2009 inauguration of 44th President Barack Obama, and is curiously dated January 21st, 2017, the day AFTER the inauguration and the day of the Women's March, the largest inauguration related protest in history.

* On January 24th, 2017, the EPA was ordered to stop communicating with the public through social media or the press and to freeze all grants and contracts.

* On January 24th, 2017, the USDA was ordered to stop communicating with the public through social media or the press and to stop publishing any papers or research. All communication with the press would also have to be authorized and vetted by the White House.

* On January 24th, 2017, HR7, a bill that would prohibit federal funding not only to abortion service providers, but to any insurance coverage, including Medicaid, that provides abortion coverage, went to the floor of the House for a vote.

* On January 24th, 2017, DT ordered the resumption of construction on the Dakota Access Pipeline, while the North Dakota state congress considers a bill that would legalize hitting and killing protestors with cars if they are on roadways.

* On January 24th, 2017, it was discovered that police officers had used confiscated cell phones to search the emails and messages of the 230 demonstrators now facing felony riot charges for protesting on January 20th, including lawyers and journalists whose email accounts contain privileged information of clients and sources.

Woke yet, folks?!

*credit for compilation: Karen Cornett-Dwyer
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