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Joshua Holland @JoshuaHol
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Per CBO, 4 million people would lose *employer-provided* coverage next year under BCRA.

Holy shit

opponents to this really need to ram this back towards the "just get a job" idiots. you will lose healthcare under this bill even if you have a job with health insurance.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

I wonder if the supreme court implemented the ban early today knowing that the CBO score would dominate the news.

Not a chance. The SC doesn't work on the schedule of headlines. Today was the final day of the SC calendar, it's when they always announce stuff like this.

 

[IggyChooChoo]

"I live in Toronto" may be the most bizarre defense against an accusation of being alt-right I've ever seen.

Yeah, Brooklyn is Proud Boys central.

 

[DonShula]

Sorry Fox News is powerful but it's all powerful. If you've lost your health insurance and you've been watching Fox and DJT tell you their healthcare bills are the greatest things since sliced bread no amount of indoctrination is that powerful. You can't tell people Obamacare is shit, AHCA is better and greater, that the reason they've just lost their health insurance is because of Obamacare and yet give them no information on how AHCA helps them get it back. The only reason Obamacare hate was so successful was that these people were benefiting from it and did not know it (some still don't), and Obamacare became some bogeyman they didn't even understand.

It's one thing to drink the Fox News koolaid, it's another to keep drinking while you see your premium go from $250 to $620 a month.

I fully believe the GOP will own it. I'm mainly worried about the cohesiveness of Democrats messaging. People are angry at the party for things other than healthcare.

I am also having serious doubts that the backlash is going to be gathered and appropriately focused for maximum gain by Democratic leadership. I'd love to be proven wrong. I see better ideas for Dem messaging on GAF than what we end up getting on TV.

 

[Autodidact]

I am also having serious doubts that the backlash is going to be gathered and appropriately focused for maximum gain by Democratic leadership. I'd love to be proven wrong. I see better ideas for Dem messaging on GAF than what we end up getting on TV.

I've never seen a meanER statement.

 

[Plinko]

Jonathan Weisman‏Verified account @jonathanweisman

Both Dean Heller and Rand Paul have said they won't vote on the motion to proceed to the health bill. McConnell can only lose 1 more.

Collins or Murkowski? Which one gets to be the one?

 

[Emerson]

Collins or Murkowski? Which one gets to be the one?

Neither. They can only lose 2.

 

[Roland_Gunner]

Collins or Murkowski? Which one gets to be the one?

Unless I'm missing something Wiseman is off. Without Heller or Paul the GOP is at 50. They can't lose anyone else for the Pence tie-breaker.

 

[Diablos]

Jonathan Weisman‏Verified account @jonathanweisman

Both Dean Heller and Rand Paul have said they won't vote on the motion to proceed to the health bill. McConnell can only lose 1 more.

Paul will fold

Two words. Packaged👏deal👏

 

[kirblar]

Unless I'm missing something Wiseman is off. Without Heller or Paul the GOP is at 50. They can't lose anyone else for the Pence tie-breaker.

It's because they're missing Sessions and haven't replaced him yet, right?

 

[RustyNails]

Unless I'm missing something Wiseman is off. Without Heller or Paul the GOP is at 50. They can't lose anyone else for the Pence tie-breaker.

Johnson is not a firm yes. He's not a no either. So Mitch needs to convince Johnson, Collins and Murkowski which seems like a hard-sell after CBO.

 

[Autodidact]

It's because they're missing Sessions and haven't replaced him yet, right?

No, he was replaced by Luther Strange

52 Republicans - Paul - Heller - one more = 49

Vote fails.

 

[Roland_Gunner]

It's because they're missing Sessions and haven't replaced him yet, right?

No the delightfully named Luther Strange was sworn in a couple of months ago. I think Weisman's count is just off.

 

[Plinko]

John McCormack‏ @McCormackJohn

John McCormack Retweeted Jonathan Weisman

Mike Lee's spokesman tells me: "Lee will not vote to proceed to a bill he can't support."

Frank Thorp V‏Verified account @frankthorp

Ron Johnson on the motion to proceed to the GOP health care bill: "I would highly doubt I would support it."

This is interesting. Let's see who is lying.

 

[Ernest]

Where's Benjamin Wittes' promised oppo-droppo?

Am I going to have to treat him like Louise Mensch, basically ignoring all his "tick, tick" stuff from now on?

 

[Plinko]

Where's Benjamin Wittes' promised oppo-droppo?

Am I going to have to treat him like Louise Mensch, basically ignoring all his "tick, tick" stuff from now on?

It's the first time it hasn't come through, and that Carter Page thing may have been it.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

This is looking a lot like the House bill the first time around.

CBO hits and people start jumping ship

 

[benicillin]

He said he wasn't sure when it was coming again this morning. Chill your engines.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

Where's Benjamin Wittes' promised oppo-droppo?

Am I going to have to treat him like Louise Mensch, basically ignoring all his "tick, tick" stuff from now on?

A) He said he wasn't sure when exactly

B) He obviously has sources

C) You guys should probably stop making these teases and news drops your reasons for existence

 

[Funkyhamster]

It's the first time it hasn't come through, and that Carter Page thing may have been it.

He also said this morning that he was still unsure about when the story would drop. I'll be a little bummed if it turns out to just have been the Carter Page story.

 

[Ernest]

C) You guys should probably stop making these teases and news drops your reasons for existence

I live a very shallow life.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

No, he was replaced by Luther Strange

52 Republicans - Paul - Heller - one more = 49

Vote fails.

Is he like if Lex Luther and Hugo Strange had a baby, and decided to name him after their last name?

 

[Plinko]

Matt Fuller‏Verified account @MEPFuller

John McCain says there are "lots" he'd like to see changed in the health care bill, but not withholding support.

"That's not how it works."

Dat Maverick.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

McCain has to be the most predictable politician in Washington

 

[benicillin]

McCain has to be the most predictable politician in Washington

He's less "elder statesman" and more "my great grandfather who watches re-runs of 1970s baseball games and thinks it's live TV." It would be sad if he wasn't hurting the country.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

This is why the bill will still pass.

Benjy Sarlin @BenjySarlin

So next few days: Senators are not encouraged by the CBO score, but McConnell can spend $200b encouraging them. Don't assume it fails.

 

[Fenderputty]

Where's Benjamin Wittes' promised oppo-droppo?

Am I going to have to treat him like Louise Mensch, basically ignoring all his "tick, tick" stuff from now on?

He updated this morning to say that the fuse is no longer a surety and hasn't updated since regarding timing.

It's the first time it hasn't come through, and that Carter Page thing may have been it.

He hasn't followed up with a Boom yet has he?

 

[Emerson]

This is why the bill will still pass.

Benjy Sarlin @BenjySarlin

So next few days: Senators are not encouraged by the CBO score, but McConnell can spend $200b encouraging them. Don't assume it fails.

And that all gets done in the next four days how?

 

[Roland_Gunner]

Dat Maverick.

Fucking hell. That is literally how it works McCain.

 

[benicillin]

This is why the bill will still pass.

Benjy Sarlin @BenjySarlin

So next few days: Senators are not encouraged by the CBO score, but McConnell can spend $200b encouraging them. Don't assume it fails.

Do you even write your own posts or do you just have a bot that scrapes Tweets and pairs them with vague sentences?

 

[balladofwindfishes]

haha

So the senate's statement is "the CBO estimate is great, premiums go down so much!" and the White House's statement is "the CBO are a bunch of liars, nobody trusts them anymore"

Dat consistent message

I get the feeling Trump isn't pleased by today's news

 

[Wilsongt]

I've lost about almost all my will to care right about what this administration does and what happens to this country.

 

[Gruco]

To coin a phrase, I would have to say that this health care bill is very "mean"

 

[AntraxSuicide]

This is why the bill will still pass.

Benjy Sarlin @BenjySarlin

So next few days: Senators are not encouraged by the CBO score, but McConnell can spend $200b encouraging them. Don't assume it fails.

This has always been the case. It's not like anyone on the fence forgot about this. The recent waffling has that factored in.

 

[Diablos]

This is looking a lot like the House bill the first time around.

CBO hits and people start jumping ship

So the question may be if there will be a round 2 just like there was in the House...

Also, McCain is trash. He is a worthless Senator.

 

[Plinko]

And that all gets done in the next four days how?

It won't take that long.

 

[Chained Prometheus]

He said he wasn't sure when it was coming again this morning. Chill your engines.

Yeah, I'm thinking whoever has the scoop that Wittes knows is coming might be waiting for tomorrow or some other time later in the week, given how big a deal the CBO stuff on the Senate ACHA is. That way McConnell can't try to use the media focusing on that new Trump/Russia news (whatever it is) as a means of distraction in order to slip the bill through while no one's looking.

But I could very well be wrong on that. Just speculation on my part.

 

[Emerson]

It won't take that long.

Last I heard it was "everyone will flip by Monday." But here we are and nobody's flipped. If anything people are distancing themselves slightly more.

 

[Fenderputty]

It won't take that long.

Mitch: Guys we need this 200B in savings to pass our tax plans.

GOP Senate: Ok fine.

Probably already done at this point.

 

[ArkhamFantasy]

Is there a good reason why i shouldnt be pissed at the supreme court right now? I dont understand why they reinstated the muslim ban when they aren't even going to start debating it until october.

 

[Kusagari]

McCain: this plan sucks but I can't vote against it.

 

[Blader]

haha

So the senate's statement is "the CBO estimate is great, premiums go down so much!" and the White House's statement is "the CBO are a bunch of liars, nobody trusts them anymore"

Dat consistent message

I get the feeling Trump isn't pleased by today's news

His SCOTUS validation just got buried by 22 million uninsured.

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

I don't know how Murkowski said "I need more information on how it effects my state."

 

[Wilsongt]

I don't know how Murkowski said "I need more information on how it effects my state."

Really.

It's as simple as "How many people in my state depend on medicaid?" Then you subtract 90% of that and you see what happens.

 

[aspiegamer]

Murkowski on CNN seemed downbeat and fairly annoyed by the numbers (and specifically mentioned Alaska data). Said she'd be a "no" right this instant with the obvious implication she spend more time "evaluating," so meh. Not rubber-stamping it at least, so I'll take it for now.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

Collins just tweeted she's a No.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Collins just tweeted she's a No.

So Rand, Collins and Heller

It's make or break time for McConnell. He has to convince one of them, because that's three

 

[StopMakingSense]

So Rand, Collins and Heller

It's make or break time for McConnell. He has to convince one of them, because that's three

With three then there will be more dissent, and the 200B (over 10 years) McConnell won't go that far, considering.

 

[CygnusXS]

I don't trust Rand.

 

[Autodidact]

I don't trust Rand. A firm no from Murkowski would be far more comforting.