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PoliGAF 2017 |OT4| The leaks are coming from inside the white house

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bplewis24

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Please proceed, governor.

Whoever posted that doesn't understand how these things work. They wouldn't be investigating it if there was nothing there. And the whole "we'd all know about it" line is bullshit. First of all, a lot of this stuff is being found out through classified information. There have been some leaks, but certainly not everything has been leaked.

And there are mountains of circumstantial evidence demonstrating the collusion. I won't even attempt to list it all, but that alone is pretty concrete "smoke" of the collusion. We just don't have the "fire" yet. And we're getting a lot closer to the fire, apparently.
 

Random Human

They were trying to grab your prize. They work for the mercenary. The masked man.
Carter Page seems like the single easiest person to flip in the history of the world, so I wonder what sort of secrets came spilling out during those ten hours.
 

bplewis24

Neo Member
If there was anything tangible at this point, we'd all know about it.

The prime target surrounding the collusion narrative has been Michael Flynn, but at this point we know that his conversations with the ambassador (that people on both sides had, since...you know, it's his job) didn't amount to any actual collusion and he was cleared. Even the Washington Post admits this and they're not exactly unbiased:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-reviewed-flynns-calls-with-russian-ambassador-but-found-nothing-illicit/2017/01/23/aa83879a-e1ae-11e6-a547-5fb9411d332c_story.html?utm_term=.82e90b77f7eb

Basically, the entire investigation is based around people talking to someone who's Russian, at some point, about anything. That's all we've heard since the initial Flynn angle. Yet there's no smoking gun after 8 months and they won't find one 12 months from now either.

The Watergate investigation may have taken 2 years, but that was over 30 years ago. Information moves a hell of a lot faster now.

Again - I'm not American, I'm not "on the right", I don't have a dog in any fight here. From an outsider's perspective, the entire thing has become fucking hilarious to an extent, with CNN's constant "BREAKING NEWS" about Russia, but the longer it drags on the more damage it causes - and I don't mean to Trump. The Democratic party is dying and instead of trying to pull itself together it's dragging along with this entire narrative. I really don't understand the point in continuing in this direction, he's not getting impeached. That's a pipedream.

So your argument to establish your bona fides is that you're not right wing, and not American...just gullible? Stupid? What is it? Because whatever it is, it doesn't make your asinine and completely inaccurate argument any more credible.
 
I mean look at the team Mueller is putting together, you think he is approaching these people to leave lucrative positions to join a witch hunt with nothing there?
 
I'm wondering, why is the beef with Brezinski the point where there's finally some bipartisan pushback against the President's Twitter usage?

I mean, I have a pretty good idea why, but I wanted to hear what you all think.
 

kirblar

Member
I'm wondering, why is the beef with Brezinski the point where there's finally some bipartisan pushback against the President's Twitter usage?

I mean, I have a pretty good idea why, but I wanted to hear what you all think.
Trump is starting to attack within the party. First Heller and others, now Brezinski.
 

Vixdean

Member
Her fiancee is a Republican.

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The operation Mr. Smith described is consistent with information that has been examined by U.S. investigators probing Russian interference in the elections.

Those investigators have examined reports from intelligence agencies that describe Russian hackers discussing how to obtain emails from Mrs. Clinton’s server and then transmit them to Mr. Flynn via an intermediary, according to U.S. officials with knowledge of the intelligence.

Hmm..

Remember when Trump publicly asked the Russians to hack US systems and find Hillary's ("missing") emails?
 

~Kinggi~

Banned
Hmm..

Remember when Trump publicly asked the Russians to hack US systems and find Hillary's ("missing") emails?

I actually see that as Trump trying to be snarky and clever cause he knew behind the scenes they were all doing just that, so in his egomaniac sort of way wanted to act like he was predicting what was gonna happen cause it sure would be great!
 
I actually see that as Trump trying to be snarky and clever cause he knew behind the scenes they were all doing just that, so in his egomaniac sort of way wanted to act like he was predicting what was gonna happen cause it sure would be great!

What a great cover that is, though.
 

Gruco

Banned
Hmm..

Remember when Trump publicly asked the Russians to hack US systems and find Hillary's ("missing") emails?

It was just a joke you guys.

like that time Kushner wanted a secret communications channel to Russia that was outside the monitoring capabilities of US intelligence.

Or that other time Flynn sabotaged our operations against ISIS because his undisclosed foreign employers asked him to.

I means it's not like "ha ha" funny. But still, have a sense of humor about it!
 
It was just a joke you guys.

like that time Kushner wanted a secret communications channel to Russia that was outside the monitoring capabilities of US intelligence.

Or that other time Flynn sabotaged our operations against ISIS because his undisclosed foreign employers asked him to.

I means it's not like "ha ha" funny. But still, have a sense of humor about it!

These jokes are so good we need to swear the room to secrecy.
 

Blader

Member
Probably DOA in the Senate. Democrats could try and spin this as being anti law enforcement as these beaurocrats from Washington are trying to claim they know better than the police on the ground.

Does that sound like a Dem argument? lol
 

Holmes

Member
I'm wondering, why is the beef with Brezinski the point where there's finally some bipartisan pushback against the President's Twitter usage?

I mean, I have a pretty good idea why, but I wanted to hear what you all think.
It also happened during pussygate. It's because the victims are white women.
 

Lo-Volt

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Susan Rice will testify in a closed session of the House intelligence committee, sort of formerly headed by fuckboi Devin Nunes, says CNN.

Two weeks after Nunes took a secret trip to the White House grounds to review intelligence about unmasking, Bloomberg reported that Rice had "unmasked" the names of Trump transition aides in classified reports. Three days after Rice's name was revealed, Nunes became the subject of a House ethics probe into whether he revealed classified information and was forced to step aside from leading the House Russia investigation.

In April, CNN reported, according to multiple sources in both parties, that Republican and Democratic lawmakers who reviewed the intelligence reports found no evidence that Obama administration officials did anything unusual or illegal.
 

Diablos

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I mean look at the team Mueller is putting together, you think he is approaching these people to leave lucrative positions to join a witch hunt with nothing there?
That's the one thing that gives me hope. These people are not fucking around. You don't do this when there's a witch hunt.

That is for hacks in the vein of Kenneth Starr.
 
I actually see that as Trump trying to be snarky and clever cause he knew behind the scenes they were all doing just that, so in his egomaniac sort of way wanted to act like he was predicting what was gonna happen cause it sure would be great!

I'd be curious to hear a comparison of the timeline between the article and when he made that statement.
 

Wilsongt

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i'm in for MSNBC covering news from a liberal perspective, not spreading debunked conspiracy theories and spending half their time whining about what other networks are doing



dollop of oppo? https://www.wsj.com/articles/gop-op...kers-implied-a-connection-to-flynn-1498770851

A decent boom, but just really solidifies that the only ones who are really going to be implicated in the Russia story is Flynn, maybe Manafort, and maybe Carter.

None of Trump's inner circle.
 

DonShula

Member
How long before Kushner is flipped?

Not gonna happen. He is central to this and will go down with the ship. Hell, him being leveraged on that billion dollar loan (ALLEGEDLY) might be the crux of this thing.

Speculation is my own, of course. But Lester always said to follow the money.
 

Random Human

They were trying to grab your prize. They work for the mercenary. The masked man.
Not gonna happen. He is central to this and will go down with the ship. Hell, him being leveraged on that billion dollar loan (ALLEGEDLY) might be the crux of this thing.

Speculation is my own, of course. But Lester always said to follow the money.
Kushner seems like exactly the sort of guy who would flip to save himself.
 
A decent boom, but just really solidifies that the only ones who are really going to be implicated in the Russia story is Flynn, maybe Manafort, and maybe Carter.

None of Trump's inner circle.

Flynn and Manafort are 100% in Trump's inner circle. Manafort lives in Trump Tower for chrissakes.
 

Ether_Snake

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A decent boom, but just really solidifies that the only ones who are really going to be implicated in the Russia story is Flynn, maybe Manafort, and maybe Carter.

None of Trump's inner circle.

Considering Kushner was working with Flynn to establish a communications channel behind the scene, he could be implicated too.
 

kirblar

Member
A decent boom, but just really solidifies that the only ones who are really going to be implicated in the Russia story is Flynn, maybe Manafort, and maybe Carter.

None of Trump's inner circle.
This just in: A campaign manager and Nat'l Security Advisor aren't part of an inner circle.
 

Blader

Member
A decent boom, but just really solidifies that the only ones who are really going to be implicated in the Russia story is Flynn, maybe Manafort, and maybe Carter.

None of Trump's inner circle.

How does the former national security adviser and former campaign chairman not qualify as being part of the president's inner circle?
 

chadskin

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A decent boom, but just really solidifies that the only ones who are really going to be implicated in the Russia story is Flynn, maybe Manafort, and maybe Carter.

None of Trump's inner circle.

I mean we're back to the question -- what did Trump know and when did he know it? Was he aware of what was going on with Flynn? Was that the reason he asked Comey to "let this go, let Flynn go"? Why did he send him a text message on April 25 to "stay strong"? Did he fire Comey because he wouldn't let Flynn go?
 

PBY

Banned
A decent boom, but just really solidifies that the only ones who are really going to be implicated in the Russia story is Flynn, maybe Manafort, and maybe Carter.

None of Trump's inner circle.

Pretty much agree with this, although we can parse what "inner circle" means. Effectively, I don't think this is going to touch Trump.

To my mind, what could fuck over Trump is his obstruction, which is weird because we kind of know everything thereto.
 

Chumley

Banned
A decent boom, but just really solidifies that the only ones who are really going to be implicated in the Russia story is Flynn, maybe Manafort, and maybe Carter.

None of Trump's inner circle.

Do you know what inner circle means? Do you actually think Manafort and Flynn operated without instruction from Trump himself?
 

kirblar

Member
Chait goes in on Jacobin making excuses for Venezuela and brings receipts: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligence...r-the-revolution-communism-hasnt-changed.html
The tone of the nearly two dozen Jacobin stories on Venezuela I was able to find ranges from celebratory to defensive. ”Today we mourn the death of Chávez, tomorrow we return to the grind for socialism," concludes one 2013 piece. Much of Jacobin's early ”criticism" of the regime laments that Chavism has not gone far enough. The Jacobin line in 2014 was that, ”Only a deepening of the Bolivarian Revolution can save it." Or, ”What is needed today, and what is more urgent than ever, is not dialogue or reconciliation, not harmony and understanding, but a radical commitment to press decisively forward." Indeed, the counterrevolutionary dissidents needed to be crushed: ”To the extent that the Bolivarian Revolution has problems, the solution to them won't come from chats with those looking to overthrow it, but rather the organization of workers trying to fulfill its potential. There can be no neutral ground between those two positions." The ”so-called human-rights abuses" were merely a pretext for Yankee imperialism.

This is all the same rhetoric Marxists used to justify the bloodshed in Soviet Russia and Maoist China. The revolution is not a dinner party, etc., etc.

As the Venezuelan economy has tumbled into crisis and the regime's failure has grown harder to deny, Jacobin's coverage has softened, but only incrementally. Demands for more fervent adherence to Marxist dogma have given way to criticisms of the regime's critics. If you have read the mainstream conservative analysis of Donald Trump, which focuses heavily on pushing back against the media and his opponents, the tone will be familiar.

”In mainstream accounts of last week's protests in Caracas, the opposition is depicted as an essentially peaceful force," complains one story. ”Strangely missing from the narrative of the Venezuelan opposition's peaceful march to victory over a cruel dictatorship was the small detail of the murder of a Venezuelan police officer by demonstrators Wednesday evening," insists another article, assailing a double standard: ”In most cases, ‘blue lives' apparently matter an awful lot — except when they're serving under a self-declared socialist national government that has been branded an ‘unusual and extraordinary threat' by the United States." A procession of stories has dismissed reports of failure in the country. ”Western journalists" are wrong, FiveThirtyEight is wrong, even Bernie Sanders is wrong.

Sunkara may want to work out why Marxist principles failed in the past, but he seems determined not to arrive at any conclusion that implicates the ideological principles that caused those failures.

In his Times op-ed, Sunkara suggests, ”The threat to democracy today is coming from the right, not the left." That is correct, but only because in the United States today, Marxism represents a minuscule faction with no plausible opportunity to obtain national-scale power. Those on the left who care about safeguarding democracy should work to keep it that way.
(the receipts are quote-linked in the original)
 

Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Come on. His campaign manager was operating under no orders from Trump himself? Give me a break.
 
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