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PoliGAF 2017 |OT4| The leaks are coming from inside the white house
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Well, I guess something besides the election ended up in the toilet.
Also, if we were going to have any Jim Jeffords-esque defectors, now would be the ideal time.
Aaron Strife
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McCain, Murkowski, Collins all at once. 51, baby.
I'm in the Uk, so for me it was an all nighter. I had a bottle of champagne in the fridge and tons of goodies to keep me going through the night. It was not drunk.
I made my favorite lemongrass pork burgers (along with a shrimp variant for my SO who didn't eat meat, and wound up breaking up with me a few weeks later) and was put off both for months afterward.
fuck 2016
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i still can't listen to RTJ3
shinra-bansho
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Lol Kentucky.
Also that was a lot of pages on stuff that will never happen under this Administration cosying up to Putin anyway.
Also that was a lot of pages on stuff that will never happen under this Administration cosying up to Putin anyway.
I feel like you're just complicating what otherwise is a very heartwarming narrative.
I know we say it in jest all the time, but for real, you are the reason Trump won the election.
The only reason.
No way.
Officerrob
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The bill that went down in flames last night was a billion times more likely to pass than a clean repeal
cartoon_soldier
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This is what angers me about 2016.
Really shows how flawed Clinton's strategy was concentrating on character issues of Trump for the most part and ignoring everything else.
Basileus777
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I don't even understand how straight repeal would even work. It'd throw the entire health care system into utter chaos and tank a huge section of the economy. Like why even bother going through the political theater of pretending you are attempting to do this? So they can drum up an even uglier CBO score for most of your caucus to attach their names to? Everyone wants to get ads about how they voted to strip 30+ million people of their insurance and double everyone's premiums right?
cartoon_soldier
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So they can tell their core voters that they tried.
balladofwindfishes
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Trying isn't really good enough when you party controls every branch
Officerrob
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Two years of complete uncertainty for one sixth of the economy, what could possibly go wrong? (this is never passing)
No one knew where this was going to land. I never thought it would end with Mike Lee just tweeting all of the sudden "oh hay me and Moran aren't touching this kthx"
Before last night we wanted to know why Collins and Rand were the only ones still openly talking about not backing the bill.
Frankly, I am still surprised that Heller is being so quiet, especially now. It's safe to come out, bro!
And you're still concerned about full repeal passing, no?
excelsiorlef
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Ugh you know what nevermind
They don't deserve all the power, yet they have it. It's so depressing. This party is a fractured mess propped up by gerrymandering, dirty tricks and dare I say treasonous actions as of last year... it's fucking awful. They are literally holding back the future.
Maybe the tide will be so strong that we tie or win back the Senate.
Frankly, 2018 is going to be rare in that it's going to be just as important as 2020.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
The one thing that would actually be much worse than the other bills?
That would be an appropriate event to represent GOP control of the government, I think.
Kicking the can down the road might be the only way they can agree on moving on, but the darling moderates and co. surely must realize this would further push the health insurance marketplace into the abyss?
Greigor The Fellhand
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I would be very surprised. I hope that with all the recent shenanigans people have come to realize that the ACA is Obama care
balladofwindfishes
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A straight repeal would cause a near instant recession and likely be bogged down in embarrassing legal battles well through midterms. It would also cause way more people to be uninsured than the most recent Senate bill.
If there weren't enough votes for the milder "safer" bill, there won't be for a clean repeal.
If there weren't enough votes for the milder "safer" bill, there won't be for a clean repeal.
balladofwindfishes
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The GOP doesn't actually want ACA to fail because they will be blamed for it failing. It's why you're starting to see "work with the Democrats" being the new talking point from the senate.
Trump is the only one who didn't get the memo. If healthcare starts failing, it's the GOP's fault in 2018 and nobody else's and they know that.
Ooooooh golly, please don't try and primary Heller and Flake Mr. Trump, after all, Obama wounldn't dare do that!
Autodidact
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Why would you insult the people who stand between you and expulsion from office?
Yes, I know, he's a moron.
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
Obama also would not pass laws for universal healthcare. Not at all, no sir.
While we're at it, Obama would also totes campaign for lower taxes on the rich!
I want to live in that reality
Got the Shakes
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The House Budget Committee released their 2018 budget proposal. There's all sorts of info and documents at this link: https://budget.house.gov/FY18/?utm_...al&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/17/obamacare-senators-turn-on-mcconnell-240646
Mitch McConnell, master tactician
Donald Trump, master dealmaker
Mitch McConnell, master tactician
Donald Trump, master dealmaker
RustyNails
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Even though this is true, lets not kid ourselves that Obamacare would have survived if say Cortez-Masto lost Nevada. Or if we saw a wave election with Republicans having 55 senators instead of 52. Turtlecare simply died because Senate did not have more R's.
GoldenEye 007
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I was thinking this last night. While 2016 obviously was a disaster, making those few gains in the Senate, even if not as much as expected, was critically important.
Autodidact
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Is there any article that examines the nuances of Unemployed Man, Katie Trashginty, and Feingold's losses? Specifically, how did popular former senator Feingold run BEHIND Hillary if the state loved him so much? Who were these Clinton/Toomey voters that accounted for Trashginty's underperforming Hillary? Did Unemployed Man's parlor trick of assembling a rifle on television have any appreciable effect on polls?
We've probably addressed these questions. If so, just ignore me.
I have also rechristened Kelly Ayotte as Kelly Nayotte due to her being denied a second term.
Basileus777
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Nevada wasn't a gain, and I don't think Kirk or Ayotte would have been yays either.
balladofwindfishes
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There's lots of little factors. Imagine if Nevada had a more conservative governor, or Sandoval didn't have such a good relationship with Heller. Or where Rand Paul wasn't the other Senator from Kentucky and it was some random hardliner.
There's also stuff like "what if McConnell had included Collins in early talks"
There's an alternative earth somewhere where the repeal passed with a safe majority.
i like half the people are "plz don't fix this"
GoldenEye 007
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Dems gained seats overall, though.
Pretty smart of Trump to lobby the guys who were already on board instead of the wafflers.
Deal Master.
Roland_Gunner
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Ayotte has been to the right of Collins and Murkowski, wouldn't run for re-election for six years, and clearly had designs on running for a national GOP spot. She would have done some throat clearing on the process and voted yes.
BoogieWoogie
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Just read that article about how the Trump campaign shitcanned Manafort and they don't think he'll flip the first chance he gets?
Futurevoid
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Shock and awe - Mike Lee's office has confirmed he's a yes on the MTP on a straight repeal vote.
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