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[Owzers]

Trump is told to push down on lever really hard, Trump pushes down lever, everyone applauds the big stwong man.

https://twitter.com/NBCNightlyNews/status/888132120740278272

Even my enemies say I pushed down on that lever greatly.

 

[thepotatoman]

Democrats should heed the following nugget of knowledge if they want to win big. Only in the warped minds of corporate executives and think tanks is there a serious skills gap issue in the US. You're being taken for a ride and duped by professional BSers.

Send people to college for knowledge's sake and the fact that an educated populace can make for a stronger and prosperous society.

Basically. Skills aren't creating the income and wealth inequality that is the root of people feeling unsatisfied with the current job economy. Everyone having a college degree would just move middle class skilled labor into the lower class.

Besides, even though we can academically look at the high school revolution and the benefits to our society, individually many people don't see college as for them, either because they're too old or not academic enough. You probably saw the same arguments against the high school revolution, but it's still an issue that needs to be sold to the people, not an issue used to sell the party to the people.

Of course, it's clear college prices are becoming downright insane, and something does need to be done about that. That should definitely be in the platform, but that's not the thing that's going to solve all of america's economic problems. It's not just that slogan either, there's tons of democrat politicians who talk about education like it is the solution to everything.

 

[The Technomancer]

Democrats should heed the following nugget of knowledge if they want to win big. Only in the warped minds of corporate executives and think tanks is there a serious skills gap issue in the US. You're being taken for a ride and duped by professional BSers.

Send people to college for knowledge's sake and the fact that an educated populace can make for a stronger and prosperous society.

Well yes and no. Anyone trying to feed you that "Americans lack the skills to be competitive on the job market that's why we outsourced everything to India" is feeding you a line of BS but you also have situations like those factories that can't hire enough people because there aren't enough people with the qualifications to operate machinery that modern manufacturing requires

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

Twerk Nasty and the Twerk All Stars Twerk Team, Twerkin' Back Congress Twerkathon 2018.

 

[Tarydax]

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Huh, I really like these.

"A Better Deal for America"

fixed it

Yeah, this is good.

If there's one small thing I wish Dems would do with stuff, it would be to slap America, Freedom, or Patriot in there somewhere once in a while. Republicans do that with everything and people eat that shit up no questions asked (unless what they're promoting is too evil, like the AHCA).

Trump is told to push down on lever really hard, Trump pushes down lever, everyone applauds the big stwong man.

https://twitter.com/NBCNightlyNews/status/888132120740278272

Just once I would like to see him fuck something like that up.

 

[Fenderputty]

POLIGAF 2017 |OT5| Eventually we will get something done

 

[pigeon]

Huh, I really like these.



Yeah, this is good.

If there's one thing I wish Dems would do with stuff, it would be to slap America, Freedom, or Patriot in there somewhere once in a while. They don't do that enough. Republicans do that with everything and people eat that shit up no questions asked (unless what they're promoting is too evil, like the AHCA).



Just once I would like to see him fuck something like that up.

Democrats 2018: MEDICARE AMERICA FOR FREEDOM ALL, PATRIOT MOTHERFUCKERS

 

[thepotatoman]

Well yes and no. Anyone trying to feed you that "Americans lack the skills to be competitive on the job market that's why we outsourced everything to India" is feeding you a line of BS but you also have situations like those factories that can't hire enough people because there aren't enough people with the qualifications to operate machinery that modern manufacturing requires

Would a lib-arts major meet those requirements? It's an even harder proposition to sell everyone specifically into getting STEM majors.

 

[Teggy]

Well this is bad - Paul says just bring up the repeal bill for a vote and he'll vote for whatever anyone else wants.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rand-paul-relents-obamacare-repeal

 

[Zukkoyaki]

The slogan we all want:

 

[Ernest]

POLIGAF 2017 |OT5| Eventually we will get something done

POLIGAF 2017 |OT5| #somethingburger

 

[Spoiled Milk]

Basically. Skills aren't creating the income and wealth inequality that is the root of people feeling unsatisfied with the current job economy. Everyone having a college degree would just move middle class skilled labor into the lower class.

Are you sure about this

 

[RumbleHumble]

Well this is bad - Paul says just bring up the repeal bill for a vote and he'll vote for whatever anyone else wants.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rand-paul-relents-obamacare-repeal

That's not at all what the article says. It's just saying that if they bring the repeal bill, he'll agree to vote on a motion to bring it to vote. That's not the same as saying he'll vote for the senate healthcare bill.

Asked whether he would need his ”clean repeal" amendment to be voted on first in order to agree to voting to start debate, Paul essentially suggested senators draw out of a hat.

 

[pigeon]

Basically. Skills aren't creating the income and wealth inequality that is the root of people feeling unsatisfied with the current job economy. Everyone having a college degree would just move middle class skilled labor into the lower class.

Besides, even though we can academically look at the high school revolution and the benefits to our society, individually many people don't see college as for them, either because they're too old or not academic enough. You probably saw the same arguments against the high school revolution, but it's still an issue that needs to be sold to the people, not an issue used to sell the party to the people.

Of course, it's clear college prices are becoming downright insane, and something does need to be done about that. That should definitely be in the platform, but that's not the thing that's going to solve all of america's economic problems. It's not just that slogan either, there's tons of democrat politicians who talk about education like it is the solution to everything.

Actually the problem is cost disease. More on this later.

 

[JettDash]

Well this is bad - Paul says just bring up the repeal bill for a vote and he'll vote for whatever anyone else wants.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rand-paul-relents-obamacare-repeal

That is not what that says. He says he would agree to vote to start debate if they guarantee a vote for his amendment. That certainly does not mean he would vote for anything else.

 

[Poodlestrike]

So the actual slogan is "A Better Deal." I expect the other parts will be used as supplemental slogans when appropriate.

This does work better.

A Better Deal: Better Skills, Better Jobs, Better Wages.

A Better Deal: Better Care, Better Prices, Better [third healthcare thing]

etc.

Democrats 2018: MEDICARE FOR ALL MOTHERFUCKERS

I love the lack of a comma in this.

Well this is bad - Paul says just bring up the repeal bill for a vote and he'll vote for whatever anyone else wants.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rand-paul-relents-obamacare-repeal

This says kind of the opposite of that - that he'll vote to proceed on whatever IF the leadership also arranges votes on every other proposal Republican senators have put forward. It'd be an enormous mess.

 

[sc0la]

A better deal, or a good deal doesn't matter when trump only makes the best deals.
best > better > good

I suggest

Democrats: The Best Deal X ∞ + 1
#gotchabitch #sorrynotsorry #yolo

 

[pigeon]

I like Yglesias's suggestion of "Go On Chapo."

 

[whyamihere]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0aNxzF7MAk

There's a Simpson's reference for everything.

 

[barber]

New Deal for a New America?

 

[Fenderputty]

I like Yglesias's suggestion of "Go On Chapo."

POLIGAF 2017 |OT5| You must bend the knee

 

[timetokill]

Instead of "Better" just use "real"

slogan: "The Real Deal"

 

[Barzul]

Is there a real chance of Menendez getting convicted? Anyone know the background of the case against him?

 

[Deleted member 231381]

Instead of "Better" just use "real"

slogan: "The Real Deal"

please

please no

All the suggestions with Deal in suck. People don't want any more deals or contracts or promises. They want doing.

 

[chadskin]

"Bernie Sanders ran in our primary"

 

[Slizeezyc]

"We promise no more e-mailz"

or maybe just:

"Ban All E-Mail" since it plays to the PoliGAF base of "Ban All Cars" in a way and everyone will know that's what next after e-mail.

 

[Kevinroc]

"Obviously Better American Medical Act."

 

[excelsiorlef]

please

please no

All the suggestions with Deal in suck. People don't want any more deals or contracts or promises. They want doing.

Democrats 2018: We're Doing the Do

 

[Deleted member 231381]

"Bernie Sanders ran in our primary"

9/10, I like it.

 

[ascii42]

Democrats 2018: We're Doing the Do

Democrats are running Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho?

 

[Deleted member 231381]

Democrats 2018: We Can What Republican't

I made some minor amendments, but overall I approve.

 

[Chained Prometheus]

PoliGAF 2017 |OT5| Well, golly Mr. President, I'd sure like to not be fired
PoliGAF 2017 |OT5| All of Mueller's People
PoliGAF 2017 |OT5| For Whom the Bell Tolls, Sessions edition

 

[HanShotFirst]

PoliGAF OT: Globalists, Cucks, and Limpdicked Mofos

PoliGAF OT: Better Globalists, Better Cucks, and Better Limpdicked Mofos

 

[skullmuffins]

Special Counsel Investigating Possible Money Laundering by Paul Manafort

WASHINGTON—Special Counsel Robert Mueller is investigating possible money laundering by Paul Manafort, Donald Trump's former campaign manager, as part of his criminal investigation into what U.S. intelligence agencies say was a Kremlin-backed campaign to meddle in the 2016 presidential election, according to a person familiar with the matter.

The inquiry into the issue by Mr. Mueller, a former director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and his team began several weeks ago, this person said. A spokesman for Mr. Manafort, Jason Maloni, declined to comment, as did a spokesman for Mr. Mueller.
...
The Senate and House intelligence committees also are probing possible money laundering by Mr. Manafort, according to people with knowledge of those investigations.
...
New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman and Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr. also are investigating Mr. Manafort's real-estate transactions, The Wall Street Journal has reported, with both offices examining his dealings for possible money-laundering and fraud. Messrs. Schneiderman and Vance are Democrats.

This was obvious given prior reporting, but there you go.

 

[AntraxSuicide]

You gotta be careful with slogans. Anything waxing nostalgic is likely a turnoff for minorities given that the country has literally always oppressed them. Even under FDR. Same goes for the patriotic plays; a friend of mine who's a journalist for a black publication here in MS always calls the Fourth of July "Come for the Food" day for a reason.

Not that it really matters for midterms. Elections are regional then because there are so many of them.

 

[UberTag]

Must be a slow news day with all the slogan / OT5 header suggestion banter. Glad I didn't miss anything.

 

[Ryuuroden]

Masa, make American slogans again

 

[Autodidact]

New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman and Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr. also are investigating Mr. Manafort’s real-estate transactions, The Wall Street Journal has reported, with both offices examining his dealings for possible money-laundering and fraud. Messrs. Schneiderman and Vance are Democrats.

Aaaaaaand there's why the investigation won't end even if Trump cans Mueller.

 

[pigeon]

"Y'all didn't defend Bernie."

"Y'alll didn't defend Bernie enough."

Spare me.

Look, I'm sympathetic, but here's the thing: people complain constantly that PoliGAF is an anti-Bernie hivemind.

Now, yes, most of those people are idiots. But not all of them are! PoliGAF used to be much more open to disagreeing opinions if they were backed with reasonable arguments and evidence.

In my opinion, during the primary, we did actually become hostile to people who didn't support Clinton, primarily because some PoliGAF regulars went overboard and posted very aggressively and unreasonably and the rest of us didn't bother chiming in to stop them.

I complain all the time that the Bernie voices on this forum don't shout down other ostensible leftists when they're parroting racist propaganda or whatever. It seems reasonable to suggest that we should also take responsibility for pointing out when somebody who ostensibly agrees with us is actually saying something dumb and problematic.

 

[The Technomancer]

Look, I'm sympathetic, but here's the thing: people complain constantly that PoliGAF is an anti-Bernie hivemind.

Now, yes, most of those people are idiots. But not all of them are! PoliGAF used to be much more open to disagreeing opinions if they were backed with reasonable arguments and evidence.

In my opinion, during the primary, we did actually become hostile to people who didn't support Clinton, primarily because some PoliGAF regulars went overboard and posted very aggressively and unreasonably and the rest of us didn't bother chiming in to stop them.

I complain all the time that the Bernie voices on this forum don't shout down other ostensible leftists when they're parroting racist propaganda or whatever. It seems reasonable to suggest that we should also take responsibility for pointing out when somebody who ostensibly agrees with us is actually saying something dumb and problematic.

I agree with this

 

[ShadowSwordmaster]

Look, I'm sympathetic, but here's the thing: people complain constantly that PoliGAF is an anti-Bernie hivemind.

Now, yes, most of those people are idiots. But not all of them are! PoliGAF used to be much more open to disagreeing opinions if they were backed with reasonable arguments and evidence.

In my opinion, during the primary, we did actually become hostile to people who didn't support Clinton, primarily because some PoliGAF regulars went overboard and posted very aggressively and unreasonably and the rest of us didn't bother chiming in to stop them.

I complain all the time that the Bernie voices on this forum don't shout down other ostensible leftists when they're parroting racist propaganda or whatever. It seems reasonable to suggest that we should also take responsibility for pointing out when somebody who ostensibly agrees with us is actually saying something dumb and problematic.

Then take responsibility instead of talking about it then.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

Masa, make better American better slogans better again

Fixed

 

[pigeon]

Actually the problem is cost disease. More on this later.

Here is an interesting blog post that I think deserves consideration: http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/02/09/considerations-on-cost-disease/

There was some argument about the style of this graph, but as per Politifact the basic claim is true. Per student spending has increased about 2.5x in the past forty years even after adjusting for inflation.

At the same time, test scores have stayed relatively stagnant. You can see the full numbers here, but in short, high school students’ reading scores went from 285 in 1971 to 287 today – a difference of 0.7%....

I discuss this phenomenon more here and here, but the summary is: no, it’s not just because of special ed; no, it’s not just a factor of how you measure test scores; no, there’s not a “ceiling effect”. Costs really did more-or-less double without any concomitant increase in measurable quality....

So, to summarize: in the past fifty years, education costs have doubled, college costs have dectupled, health insurance costs have dectupled, subway costs have at least dectupled, and housing costs have increased by about fifty percent. US health care costs about four times as much as equivalent health care in other First World countries; US subways cost about eight times as much as equivalent subways in other First World countries.

I worry that people don’t appreciate how weird this is. I didn’t appreciate it for a long time. I guess I just figured that Grandpa used to talk about how back in his day movie tickets only cost a nickel; that was just the way of the world. But all of the numbers above are inflation-adjusted. These things have dectupled in cost even after you adjust for movies costing a nickel in Grandpa’s day. They have really, genuinely dectupled in cost, no economic trickery involved.

Here's a big thing that's going on in America right now: everything costs way more. The reason Millenials can't afford stuff isn't because of the avocado toast. It isn't even because of the financial crisis! It's because everything costs like 2 to 10 times as much as it used to, but wages stayed the same or went down. And nobody seems to understand why this cost increase happened.

I worry more and more that this issue may be quite relevant to a lot of the discussions regarding welfare and good jobs and basic income. What if the jobs people have now would be good if goods just cost a lot less? I want to see a lot more research into America's cost disease, because it does not seem impossible to me that this may actually be the biggest economic issue today.

 

[pigeon]

Then take responsibility instead of talking about it then.

Literally the second post after the guy who said Bernie was a Russian agent is me saying he's crazy

 

[ShadowSwordmaster]

Literally the second post after the guy who said Bernie was a Russian agent is me saying he's crazy

Good to hear.

 

[Kevinroc]

https://twitter.com/MattLaslo/status/888153971801673731

RUH ROH: Just heard from Hill staffer Schumer's staff is warning Dems that McConnell may cancel August recess altogether

 

[pigeon]

https://twitter.com/MattLaslo/status/888153971801673731

GOP senators are going to be so excited about this.

Frankly, I think the Dems should just leave town anyway.

 

[Diablos]

https://twitter.com/MattLaslo/status/888153971801673731

Groundhog Day: Trumpcare edition

 

[The Technomancer]

Here is an interesting blog post that I think deserves consideration: http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/02/09/considerations-on-cost-disease/



Here's a big thing that's going on in America right now: everything costs way more. The reason Millenials can't afford stuff isn't because of the avocado toast. It isn't even because of the financial crisis! It's because everything costs like 2 to 10 times as much as it used to, but wages stayed the same or went down. And nobody seems to understand why this cost increase happened.

I worry more and more that this issue may be quite relevant to a lot of the discussions regarding welfare and good jobs and basic income. What if the jobs people have now would be good if goods just cost a lot less? I want to see a lot more research into America's cost disease, because it does not seem impossible to me that this may actually be the biggest economic issue today.

I mean my first reflexive reaction is "companies are charging more for everything because they found out they could outpace inflation just enough that people wouldn't notice right away", and education is more expensive because we're literally spending more on books, desks, refurbishment of space, etc

But also we would expect that trend to hold in similar other nations though right? Like, Germany and the UK aren't that politically dissimilar to the US when it comes to capitalism and markets, do they have a similar trend?

 

[pigeon]

I asked Rep. Engel, top D on foreign affairs, about @ryangrim/@ggreenwald bombshell. Didn't deny that he thinks BDS should be criminalized

This is actually super bad. Call your congresspeople and tell them that even if Israel is bad, making it illegal to be mad at Israel is deeply un-American.