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[IAmAnAgnostic]

The Trafalgar Group? Who are they, where is this from?

A polling group, rated C by 538. (although with perhaps not enough data, only 12 polls analyzed) Have called things correctly in the past, for example GA-6.

Picture is from their Twitter; https://twitter.com/trafalgar_group

 

[Drkirby]

Trump called McCain while he was on the floor.

Guess you shouldn't have criticized him for being captured.

That would explain why his No vote sounded somewhat angry.

 

[Futurevoid]

Trump advisors are eyeing possible Priebus replacements: Kellyanne Conway, Keith Kellogg, Mick Mulvaney, John Kelly, Newt Gingrich

Kellyanne for maximum LOL's, please.

 

[dramatis]

Would be nice to get Mulvaney out of the budget office, maybe then we don't have to worry that kids won't even have free school lunch if they're poor.

 

[RustyNails]

I mean if you're a Republican and the pollster asks Kid Rock for Senate, you probably go Sure why not?

We have no freaking clue what Kid Rock is for other than his rivalry with ICP.

 

[Kusagari]

I like how the Secretary of Homeland Security is on the fucking list.

You can see from that list how Trump knows literally nobody in politics aside from people in his cabinet and a couple others he's heard of.

 

[habithipster]

A polling group, rated C by 538. (although with perhaps not enough data, only 12 polls analyzed) Have called things correctly in the past, for example GA-6.

Picture is from their Twitter; https://twitter.com/trafalgar_group

Thanks!

 

[Plinko]

To be fair to the Trafalgar Group:

Few, it seems, paid attention to the surveys from the Trafalgar Group – a Georgia-based consulting firm that, on its website, celebrates the time RealClearPolitics picked up one of its Florida primary polls – showing Trump ahead. The group's Pennsylvania poll was the only one of dozens since late July to show the GOP nominee in the lead there – but it was also the only poll conducted into this past weekend, as voters made their final choices.

The Trafalgar Group was somewhat prolific on Monday, the day before the election, releasing surveys in Florida (Trump ahead by 4 points), Michigan (Trump ahead by 2 points) and Georgia (Trump ahead by 7 points).

Attack ads against Kid Rock need only illustrate what he did to Werewolves of London and he will lose with 0% of the vote.

LOL

 

[Dr. Worm]

Attack ads against Kid Rock need only illustrate what he did to Werewolves of London and he will lose with 0% of the vote.

Turnout will surge among Zevon fans.

 

[Plinko]

Sam Stein with an interesting take on Mitch McConnell:

https://twitter.com/samstein/status/890949497018298368

 

[Box of Kittens]

Went to bed last night before the vote, and while I'm kind of sad I missed all the drama, I know my anxiety level is better off for it (not to mention getting a decent amount of sleep).

Figured it would probably pass but held out a little bit of hope that I'd wake up to a headline like Senate rejects health-care law repeal; Trump, GOP leaders suffer major setback.

So now both House and Senate Republicans have tough votes on their records, Trump is undoubtedly in a rage, and McConnell has been embarrassed. I'll take it.

 

[IAmAnAgnostic]

To be fair to the Trafalgar Group:

Their election prediction wasn't half bad indeed. https://twitter.com/trafalgar_group/status/796118715309899776

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Red Nevada is a little weird. Don't think Trump was ever even close in that state

 

[Zukkoyaki]

Looks to me like they have models built around assuming high R turnout and/or low D turnout. Take that as you will.

 

[Owzers]

Sam Stein with an interesting take on Mitch McConnell:

https://twitter.com/samstein/status/890949497018298368

Exactly, how much worse did it actually have to be to not get this far, one vote from passing? It's ridiculous.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

CS is just blocking out his Worrying Schedule for 2018. I like to see that kind of initiative.

 

[Veritigo_X]

Is there a third part to Trump's tweets about Senate rules? Usually the ...'s signify "to be continued".

 

[Kusagari]

Red Nevada is a little weird. Don't think Trump was ever even close in that state

Nevada polling always favors Republicans because of Hispanic underpolling. The Final RCP average had Trump up by 0.8.

 

[Blader]

CS is just blocking out his Worrying Schedule for 2018. I like to see that kind of initiative.

lol

 

[habithipster]

Their election prediction wasn't half bad indeed.

Easier to make predictions when you know all variables.

Spoiler

I'm joking.

Spoiler

I hope.

 

[Teggy]

So apparently we had a good quarter economically. If come 2018 there is still tons of fuckery in the government but people have jobs, what do we think happens? Especially if they actually make some good changes to Obamacare?

 

[AnotherNils]

Sam Stein with an interesting take on Mitch McConnell:

https://twitter.com/samstein/status/890949497018298368

That's the right take. It's been a shit show from top to bottom and still barely failed.

 

[MikeRahl]

For what it is worth, about that pollster.. Some races they get right. So they aren't a complete joke like the last pollster on Kid Rock.

Am I reading that image right?

Just before the election they were Ossoff +3 and then right before the election they were Handel +2... just like the poll above them and no other polls were relisted that close to the election.

 

[FloydtheFathead]

Sam Stein with an interesting take on Mitch McConnell:

https://twitter.com/samstein/status/890949497018298368

The problem with this take is what it cost Mitch to get this close and fail. He lied to senators blatantly and violated trust, he's isolated himself from votes he will need on key issues after his escapades with the vote, and he is running the risk of losing his power

It doesn't matter if it was this close, using all this time, energy, and influence and not pass this bill is a failure especially when it ruins much of the legislative agenda they had planned

 

[IAmAnAgnostic]

North Korea fires another missile. https://twitter.com/ReutersWorld/status/890953109920415745

 

[BoogieWoogie]

The problem with this take is what it cost Mitch to get this close and fail. He lied to senators blatantly and violated trust, he's isolated himself from votes he will need on key issues after his escapades with the vote, and he is running the risk of losing his power

It doesn't matter if it was this close, using all this time, energy, and influence and not pass this bill is a failure especially when it ruins much of the legislative agenda they had planned

They also spent all of their effort in both the House and the Senate on this for months. They touted for 7 years about how they would repeal and replace Obamacare and it was clear they didn't even fucking spend one second thinking about actually doing it. They scribbled this shit over lunch in an hour with an 8 page shitshow, 3 pages of which were dedicated to defunding Planned Parenthood.

This is a CATASTROPHIC loss for the GOP.

 

[johnsmith]

Sam Stein with an interesting take on Mitch McConnell:

https://twitter.com/samstein/status/890949497018298368

Those who understand strategy are sitting in awe of McConnell the Master right now.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Mitch McConnell wasn't able to actually write a healthcare bill. The closest it came was when he promised to push the bill making responsibilities onto someone else.

There was no successful strategy by him and it wasn't a win for him at all.

 

[Carpe Carnim]

The problem with this take is what it cost Mitch to get this close and fail. He lied to senators blatantly and violated trust, he's isolated himself from votes he will need on key issues after his escapades with the vote, and he is running the risk of losing his power

It doesn't matter if it was this close, using all this time, energy, and influence and not pass this bill is a failure especially when it ruins much of the legislative agenda they had planned

I take your point, and I think it's valid with regards to expending political capital, but I think the GOP pushes a wholesale ravaging of the tax code by not paying for it, and just increasing the debt. I doubt the Freedumb Caucus balks at that idea.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

North Korea fires another missile. https://twitter.com/ReutersWorld/status/890953109920415745

Pakistan is going through PM turmoil and Un still acting a fool. Meanwhile Tillerson is on vacation

 

[Emerson]

In celebration of today I made my Trump short story available for free on Amazon. It doesn't make me any money, but have a read and have a laugh.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XWH9HST/?tag=neogaf0e-20

 

[Zolo]

Mitch McConnell wasn't able to actually write a healthcare bill. The closest it came was when he promised to push the bill making responsibilities onto someone else.

There was no successful strategy by him and it wasn't a win for him at all.

Yeah. McConnell got as far as he did because almost the rest of the reps. are shit.

 

[smokeymicpot]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/28/world/europe/us-russia-sanctions.html

Russia Seizes 2 U.S. Properties and Orders Embassy to Cut Staff

MOSCOW — Russia took its first steps on Friday to retaliate against proposed American sanctions for Moscow’s suspected meddling in the 2016 election, seizing two American diplomatic properties and ordering the United States Embassy to reduce staff by September.

The moves, which Russia had been threatening for weeks, came a day after the United States Senate approved a measure to expand economic sanctions against Russia, as well as against Iran and North Korea. The bill, mirroring one passed by the House on Tuesday, now goes to President Trump for his signature.

The latest move by the Kremlin strikes another blow against the already dismal diplomatic relations between the two sides, with each new step moving Moscow and Washington farther from the rapprochement anticipated a few months ago.

Some analysts suggested that matters could get even worse. “Russia’s response to the new sanctions was inevitable,” Aleksei Pushkov, a legislator and frequent commentator on international affairs, wrote on Twitter. “There is a high probability that this will not be the end of it.”

 

[Blader]

Sam Stein with an interesting take on Mitch McConnell:

https://twitter.com/samstein/status/890949497018298368

Leading a conference that, with a couple (key) exceptions, will always vote for anything you put up no matter what is not a reflection of McConnell's skills as a politician or majority leader, it's a reflection of the dire levels of polarization fueling the GOP today.

 

[royalan]

Can someone repost the image of McConnell's dope face? Can't find it

 

[nature boy]

Dave Weigel‏Verified account @daveweigel 17m17 minutes ago
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Kind of forgotten right now: Dem senators in states Trump won by landslides stayed w Schumer on the ACA, w no political backlash.

Important point

 

[Dan]

Sam Stein with an interesting take on Mitch McConnell:

https://twitter.com/samstein/status/890949497018298368

I think this is a bit misdirected. It's less about what McConnell nearly accomplished as how enormously craven the vast majority of Republicans acted.

 

[BoogieWoogie]

Leading a conference that, with a couple (key) exceptions, will always vote for anything you put up no matter what is not a reflection of McConnell's skills as a politician or majority leader, it's a reflection of the dire levels of polarization fueling the GOP today.

Seriously. They put this up to a vote two hours after releasing it. None of the Reps even began to think about the actual fucking consequences of what they were doing, just that "McConnell and Trump needed a win!" Truly disgusting.

 

[Blader]

also, I kinda loved that after McCain voted no and Senate Dems started clapping, Schumer waved to immediately shut them down.

 

[watershed]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/28/world/europe/us-russia-sanctions.html

Russia Seizes 2 U.S. Properties and Orders Embassy to Cut Staff

MOSCOW — Russia took its first steps on Friday to retaliate against proposed American sanctions for Moscow’s suspected meddling in the 2016 election, seizing two American diplomatic properties and ordering the United States Embassy to reduce staff by September.

The moves, which Russia had been threatening for weeks, came a day after the United States Senate approved a measure to expand economic sanctions against Russia, as well as against Iran and North Korea. The bill, mirroring one passed by the House on Tuesday, now goes to President Trump for his signature.

The latest move by the Kremlin strikes another blow against the already dismal diplomatic relations between the two sides, with each new step moving Moscow and Washington farther from the rapprochement anticipated a few months ago.

Some analysts suggested that matters could get even worse. “Russia’s response to the new sanctions was inevitable,” Aleksei Pushkov, a legislator and frequent commentator on international affairs, wrote on Twitter. “There is a high probability that this will not be the end of it.”

As long as Trump is president Russia will continue to win this cold war thing it has going with the US.

 

[FyreWulff]

It's pretty telling when you have all 3 branches of the government and none of those 3 factions trust each other.

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

Would be kind of poetic if last night really does lead to the end of repeal efforts of the ACA, its poetic because it was squashed by McCain, who selected Palin and the kind of person over took the GOP the past 8 years.

 

[SuperEpicMan]

That was an old looking flip phone that Chuck Schumer just pulled out lol

 

[IAmAnAgnostic]

How come it isn't discussed that McCain is fatally ill..?
The truth is it is unlikely he will make it even until the 2018 midterm elections. And if the replacement is pro repealing Obamacare, wont that be it then?

 

[BoogieWoogie]

How come it isn't discussed that McCain is fatally ill..?
The truth is it is unlikely he will make it even until the 2018 midterm elections. And if the replacement is pro repealing Obamacare, wont that be it then?

Once budget season ends, they'd have to try again in 2018 and they sure as shit don't want this hanging over their heads in an election year.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

McCain is receiving treatment over the recess and may not come back for quite some time after the recess is over (if he even comes back), according to CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/28/politics/health-care-state-of-play/index.html

McCain will not be in Washington next week or for the foreseeable future, as he is scheduled to start treatment.

So he came back just to make a fool of McConnell and Trump as possibly his last act in congress

Also it might have been Rand Paul's fault that McCain was annoyed

 

[GoldenEye 007]

How come it isn't discussed that McCain is fatally ill..?
The truth is it is unlikely he will make it even until the 2018 midterm elections. And if the replacement is pro repealing Obamacare, wont that be it then?

Maybe. But good luck trying to pass the trash, unpopular bills they have been so far directly in an election year.

 

[IAmAnAgnostic]

Once budget season ends, they'd have to try again in 2018 and they sure as shit don't want this hanging over their heads in an election year.

Maybe. But good luck trying to pass the trash, unpopular bills they have been so far directly in an election year.

So if the bill is so unpopular, didn't McCain do Trump a favor in a way? (increase his reelection chances)

 

[barber]

So if the bill is so unpopular, didn't McCain do Trump a favor in a way? (increase his reelection chances)

You stil lhave him on paper supporting the worst ones (with 22 million uninsured in a short time!), so it won't be that big of a deal. Also, it hurts the image as Trump the dealmaker as he can't even get a single Win on the second main thing he wanted! (the 1st being the wall)

 

[Hopfrog]

So if the bill is so unpopular, didn't McCain do Trump a favor in a way? (increase his reelection chances)

They screwed themselves either way by campaigning for years against the law with no idea of how to fix things. Fail to repeal and their core supporters will bang on them for not keeping their promise. Repeal it and deal with the fallout of millions losing insurance.

Lose/lose.