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PoliGAF 2017 |OT5| The Man In the High Chair
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It's part of a mood among younger, more radical Dems who see the GOP freefalling into insanity and the far right as their party's chance to move further left and increase the polarisarion in America politics. I posted a Gif yesterday of the change in US politics over the decades, of the Republicans moving increasingly right. But the Dems largely remained static on the centre left. The Democrats don't need to match the GOP in embracing radical politics, they now occupy the political mainstream where rationality, normality and basic common sense reside.
balladofwindfishes
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And now instantly, as if by some divine force, the left will be okay with the applause and hugs
Well, for starters, if Dems ever flip Congress, most of these people - by definition - will be out of a job.
Also, they have a lot of faith in the ~both sideszz~ media, which has yet to let them down. The Times is furiously figuring out an anti-Clinton angle to this whole thing as we speak.
Aaron Strife
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Yup. What incentive do Democrats have at all to play nice next time and go for 60 votes? The GOP has demonstrated that they're willing to repeal any healthcare law on a 50-50 vote with no hearings, no amendments, not even a bill.
The parts of ACA that can't be passed through reconciliation are being left in place. Just restore it and pass Medicare buy-in too.
Dancing on your graves bitches
There's merit to that (as we can see with the current shitshows of the House unable to pass a budget and the Senate barely able to agree to hold a debate), but at the same time being the one with morals means you're getting outmaneuvered by the ones who threw morality away a long time ago.
LOLOLOLOLOL
LOL.
Rationality, normality and basic common sense are sure serving the Democrats well, huh?
Veritigo_X
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Why do you equate the far left with the far right?
nature boy
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And we still have a Trump rally today!
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Again: This isn't about health care. This is driven by Trump's insane obsession about "a win." He just wants something. If republicans are dumb enough to go along with it, they'll have to deal with the consequences.
Just because the Dems occupy the centre space doesn't mean they have to roll over all the time. It's good to see the Dems in the Senate maintain unity (and some spine) by refusing to budge on ACA. There's this constant drone from the GOP of how the Dems must work with them to deliver "real healthcare reform". The Dems don't have to do jack-shit now and they're making that quite clear to the Reps.
Because polarization among the public has increased dramatically on both sides. The Dems have resisted that as a party and stood their ground. The GOP, on the other hand, gave in to their extreme flank.
Still blows my mind that the idiot has been president for six months and has held multiple events that are basically just campaign rallies.
RumbleHumble
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Fuck you Heller. Trump's still gonna try to steal your seat.
ShadowSwordmaster
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Time to call my senators.
Aaron Strife
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Oh, did he just get tired of being Sandoval's lackey then?
Veritigo_X
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And look at us now!
Joe Shlabotnik
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Nobody hates each other in the Senate except they all hate Ted Cruz.
Some of these guys have worked with McCain for 600 years. In no universe would they not all show enthusiastic support for one of them coming back from any kind of hardship.
Except Ted Cruz.
Some of these guys have worked with McCain for 600 years. In no universe would they not all show enthusiastic support for one of them coming back from any kind of hardship.
Except Ted Cruz.
Autodidact
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Aaron Strife
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I'm just glad Collins is doing everything she can to oppose Trump.
Being vote #52 is a tough responsibility.
The problem with putting American politics on a scale is that the values the far right votes for (racial animus) are wildly different from the policies they get (slash and burn supply side bullshit).
There isn't an appetite for far right economics in this country, and yet we'll get it anyways.
What that means for the Dems strategy going forward - I have no idea.
lol this is absolutely pathetic.
There isn't an appetite for far right economics in this country, and yet we'll get it anyways.
What that means for the Dems strategy going forward - I have no idea.
lol this is absolutely pathetic.
nature boy
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It's Cornyn though...
Spoiled Milk
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I'm just not specifically angry at John because we've all hated him for years already. Is this the worst thing he's even done? John McCain ran for president in the year of our Lord 2000 on privatizing social security, destroying welfare, and giving tax dollars to churches. Then he hum ho'd us into two wars because he feels guilty he dropped out of the sky in Vietnam and never got to unwrap a mission accomplished banner from his hot wife's bosom in celebratory bacchanalia. I'd say he jerks off into his old captain's hat but we all know his shoulders haven't been able to function like that in decades. The worst thing of all though is that it's been over 8 years since we started calling him John McCrusty and somehow the good humble folk of Flagstaff still let him wander the halls of the Senate like a Night of the Living Dead extra. People definitely don't give a shit about that, though, because they let Reagan get away with the same thing as president even though he was stumbling over himself in debates during his reelection bid and only saved himself by having practiced prewritten witty responses to Mondale's boring and predictable routine. Everyone dies of cancer if they live long enough and ol' Maverick didn't have that great of a life to begin with so while the militant right can honor him I present him with my own obituary, pre-stamped, mailed in advance PRIORITY SHIPPING to his home address.
Here lies John McCain, who valiantly fought the Cylons in our time of desperation. He saved humanity even though he had an alcoholic temper and didn't have the patience for democratic government. In his final moments, brain ravaged by cancer and the world on his shoulders, he made sure to drag his dilapidated ass back to the fleet's Council to signal his approval to move forward with stripping healthcare privileges from the fleet's citizens and finally give the upper class elites their hard earned tax break, gods willing. So say we all.
Here lies John McCain, who valiantly fought the Cylons in our time of desperation. He saved humanity even though he had an alcoholic temper and didn't have the patience for democratic government. In his final moments, brain ravaged by cancer and the world on his shoulders, he made sure to drag his dilapidated ass back to the fleet's Council to signal his approval to move forward with stripping healthcare privileges from the fleet's citizens and finally give the upper class elites their hard earned tax break, gods willing. So say we all.
ShadowSwordmaster
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The fuck?
Haha oh John. That's minimum 3 no votes, next. (If he's not wrong for once)
And even then, for the Republicans who do want to pass something, it's not about healthcare for them either. It's about tax cuts for the rich, which they won't be able to afford unless they gut Medicaid and Medicare.
Right, she voted for him out of committee, but not on the floor.
So this means Heller is a definite yes on whatever gets presented to him at the end of this right?
This guy has got to be the dumbest whip.
This is the most kirblar post.
RustyNails
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Great job McConnell. You had to bring a dying old man to vote yes just to start debate. What a glorious political maneuver.
Spoiled Milk
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Autodidact
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RustyNails
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Seems like it. He has gone full YOLO with his smiling ass next to Trump. In either case, we have two solid No's: Murkowski and Collins. Rand will vote no unless its not a full repeal, lindsey will vote no unless its not skinny repeal. Its almost impossible to make them vote yes at the same time.
Is he wrong, though?
He says that as if its some kind of virtue?
and then McCain votes no on all the bills
RIGHT HAND MAN LOOK FAMILIAR?
I would die laughing if that happened.
Because it is.
The far flanks are both full of monstrously stupid ideas fueled by dogmatic devotion to ideology.
Centrism and moderation are not inherently virtuous. But pushing for change while being careful to implement good change and not just shit that doesn't work but feels good to know-nothings is.
Autodidact
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This is some bad both sides-isms. Without listening to the left, we wouldn't be considering singlepayer. Or raising the min. wage. Or all sorts of GOOD policy that centrists fear aren't "practical."
whyamihere
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OH MY GOD
This is good, Bernie.
@RebeccaShabad
JUST IN: Senate parliamentarian says additional provisions of the original BCRA violate the Byrd Rule, require 60 votes, per Bernie Sanders
This is good, Bernie.
I wonder what happens to a whole state that isn't loyal, ie flip and don't vote for his re-election...
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