I was wondering if he was going to do the Kennedy Center thing - but I don't think Trump is ever going to do any of these events. He can't control what's said at them.
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PoliGAF 2017 |OT5| The Man In the High Chair
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I was wondering if he was going to do the Kennedy Center thing - but I don't think Trump is ever going to do any of these events. He can't control what's said at them.
Yeah. This is the big thing. He wants assured confidence he'll receive nothing, but applause.
BoboBrazil
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There's way more protestors of the free speech rally than supporters of it there. They won't have the balls to do anything.
Yeah she'll kill a man and eat his heart
aspiegamer
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With any luck we'll get a revival of #NazisWithAPermit today!
Today's spin is that the counter-protesters in Boston don't have a permit so they should be banned. Right wing clearly not aware that their permit is an attempt by the city to make sure they can have a protest of some sort without being squelched by the general populace. Were it up to the public alone there'd be no rally in the first place! Ironically, being #NazisWithAPermit it for their own protection now.
Today's spin is that the counter-protesters in Boston don't have a permit so they should be banned. Right wing clearly not aware that their permit is an attempt by the city to make sure they can have a protest of some sort without being squelched by the general populace. Were it up to the public alone there'd be no rally in the first place! Ironically, being #NazisWithAPermit it for their own protection now.
Gotta love how it was more important to Trump to use his 120 characters to write "Crooked" than to actually write out Stephen.
VendettaRed07
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Yeah Joe is not charismatic at all. Might be a nice Senator one day but that's about it. He's too soft and nice to be anything more than that. He doesn't have that edge John and Ted had.
Its a cry for people like him.
Heh, didn't even notice that. Must've read that thread before coming here.
Aaron Strife
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He really doesn't have respect for anyone else, does he?
Though I doubt many respect that fascist zombie anyway.
RustyNails
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Did anyone specifically say Booker wasn't charismatic? He's just got baggage with the base, being so closely tied to Wall Street. I also think Deval Patrick isn't a bad option, but his Bain Capitol job hurts him with the Bernie wing just like Booker.
I'm not for Kennedy because he's a young white guy, I just knew I liked him when I heard him speak.
I would be thrilled with a big and diverse primary field for 2020, 2016 was a huge mistake in clearing the field, that's a terrible idea and we're better off with a larger (although maybe not quite as large as the republican field from 2016 got) group of candidates than smaller.
Frank the Great
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Booker drips charisma, he is a super talented politician.
Baggage doesn't matter if you're that charismatic. He will win the nomination and presidency in 2020.
Baggage doesn't matter if you're that charismatic. He will win the nomination and presidency in 2020.
I think quality of the candidates is much more important. Look at the 2016 GOP primary.
Aaron Strife
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I don't disagree with this, I just don't like Booker that much. I'd be fine with voting for him in the general election.
That being said, #KlobucharOrBust
I mean, I won't vote for him in the primary but you're probably right.
whyamihere
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I wouldn't consider Bernie "charismatic". That word is dumb. People called Rubio "charismatic". One of the reasons why Bernie was successful was people thought he talked through bullshit, true or not. One of the reasons why Trump appeals to people who say "he speaks like me."
Can we not do Booker? Kamala is so much better.
Can we not do Booker? Kamala is so much better.
VendettaRed07
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Booker's problem isn't just "baggage" it's ideology. We aren't going to nominate a borderline anti-labor candidate
ArkhamFantasy
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Bookers opposes america being "world police", supports ACA and civil rights, correct? I'd vote for him in a general election with zero hesitation.
I dunno, Crab met him that one time and he reacted like he met Raptor Jesus at camp.
There's a difference between Sanders/Trump Charisma (which is more limited) and Obama-level general audience charisma. Booker definitely has the latter but remember kids, just say NO to NJ politicians.
Aaron Strife
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Some combination of Harris and Brown (or Franken) would be my ideal ticket as of now.
I wonder how long before we see an all-female ticket, if ever.
It would be great if the media was enamoured by our 2020 candidate enough that Trump would feel like a second fiddle and constantly be screaming for attention with stupid stunts while PresiDem is charming everyone. I imagine this is what Carter-Reagan would have been like if Carter was also a petulant child.
Can you imagine a Franken/Trump debate? Franken would eat him alive, I think that's what we need.
Autodidact
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Kamala Gillibrand Brown, which sounds like a comic strip character.
Aaron Strife
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KGB, yeah you know me
We probably won't be running against Trump.
Box of Kittens
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In a general I'd vote for Booker in a heartbeat. I mean, just look at the alternative. He would be far down my list in a primary though.
The VP is no longer a good position to launch a campaign from in the modern era. W/Obama had the right idea.
AntraxSuicide
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Look at their social media replies. It's all trolls at the top trying to get a jump on them. They'll both run. I really think Booker will get wrecked though. He's such an easy target to attack,especially for Kamala. I think she finishes him off pretty quick.
whyamihere
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Tell that to Mike Pence!
What's your reasoning behind this? Yeah Gore was pretty bad, but he came within like 1000 votes of winning. Bill -> Gore wasn't a slam dunk but it never was always. Eisenhower -> Nixon didn't work out until after LBJ.
I honestly doubt Cheney had serious aspirations of running for President, not to mention he would've been electoral poison after Bush 2
Biden chose not to run because of the death of his son, we don't know how we would've turned out
EDIT: I also like Kamala as she can help bring support from the minority population while we have a white guy running for President to appease the centrists
My stomach just turned
Because it hasn't been going well. Bush coasted to election but had trouble in '92.
Dubya deliberately chose a more experienced VP w/ low political ambition. Obama did something similar w/ Biden.
Gore/Hillary both ran into issues as "exposed" politicians w/ below-average charisma that had a cleared field and had been open to GOP attack for years before they ran.
Given that Dems have been much more successful with younger candidates who have been fresh to the national conciousness, viewing the VP position as a pathway to the presidency....does not reflect reality. It's less a pathway and more a political death sentence.
Mike "already has a presidential PAC" Pence is...quite the outlier.
I'd vote for Rush Holt if he ran for President
Hillary was never VP, most she was was First Lady/Secretary of State. Not that that really matters, she was "exposed" for decades.
Bush 1 failed in 92 partly because he raised taxes/made new ones when he said he wouldn't. He won the first election because he was Reagan's VP so that proves my point. He failed in his reelection because of what he did during his presidency
Truman successfully won reelection when no one thought he would
LBJ was poisonous because of Vietnam, not because he was exposed as JFK's VP. He was a wonderful domestic President
Yeah, being VP isn't necessary to winning, it never was, but I think for Kamala it would help
VendettaRed07
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Let's just elect Iron Stache and call it a cycle
Dubbedinenglish
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Now focus on Trump signing a napkin
LBJ isn't relevant to the argument. He wasn't running for re-election after 8 years of a D administration.
Hillary was exposed for Decades. She should have left elected politics as a candidate after leaving the SoS position.
Harris taking the VP position would effectively end her political career. It's very unlikely that she would do so at her age.
Dems win with younger candidates. Younger candidates want older, more experienced VPs. The benefits of charisma do not pass on to a chosen successor.
Can someone explain to me what Gillibrand's appeal is? Somebody not from New York?
Because I get, but then again I don't. There's keeping your head low to avoid Republicans (and the far left) using you for target practice. And then there's doing little if anything to grow your national brand and reach out to the constituencies that you're going to need to win.
Because I get, but then again I don't. There's keeping your head low to avoid Republicans (and the far left) using you for target practice. And then there's doing little if anything to grow your national brand and reach out to the constituencies that you're going to need to win.
Only reason I'm worried about Booker is that he's unmarried and if he won the nomination, we know Trump would go that low and dogwhistle his sexuality or something. I know he has a girlfriend but yeah still.
2016 election showed me that America is not as progressive as I envisioned. Then again like several have said if his charisma oozes then it might be something he could push past. I'm not kidding myself that it'll be a non-issue though.
2016 election showed me that America is not as progressive as I envisioned. Then again like several have said if his charisma oozes then it might be something he could push past. I'm not kidding myself that it'll be a non-issue though.
Bonen no Max'd
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unless Bernie runs she's the only prospective candidate currently supporting single payer and she's amenable to left pressure. She's not my favorite but unless Brown or Bernie or Ellison runs she's probably my pick (as of...2017)
I laughed.
And then cried. Never get into cults.
VendettaRed07
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Not from NY, well close enough I guess but I was the same. I didn't get the appeal at all either until she demonstrated she is one of the only democrats apparently not stupid enough to believe that voting for horrible, unqualified or ethically compromised cabinate picks like Ben Carson or Chris Christie's bridge gate lawyer will give her some sort of political sway amongst republicans.
I wasn't into her at all but it does seem like she's, idk how to best say it but, "aware" of where we are at than many others
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