VendettaRed07
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PoliGAF 2017 |OT6| Made this thread during Harvey because the ratings would be higher
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WSJ reported that Trump decided to not pull out of the Paris Accord after all. White house is denying that claim though.
BoogieWoogie
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It's a question of who do you trust: a respected intelligent representative of the European Union or President Racist McLiarbaby?
President Racist McLiarBaby hasn't responded to the claim yet, though I suspect he'll confirm they're getting A BETTER DEAL on Twitter any time now
Lord_Byron28
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It's technically his administration. Given how these things always go. Latest breaking news/scandal releases. WH administration denies the whole thing. Trump takes to Twitter and throws his entire team under the bus and contradicts them.
"I have long maintained that we needed a better deal. So I made one"
Ignoring the fact that everybody said he set the goals the whole time.
lmfao if trump signs a dream act and uncancels the paris accord by the end of 2017
I mean I'm in the "I'll believe it when it happens" camp with him, but I will take rumors of good news over actual bad news any day
lol that he spent over 2 years infuriating everyone on earth except ~the base~ and now is actually flirting with "hey, fuck it, let's shit on them too" <3
I'll die if we actually reach the point where McConnell and Ryan are trying to scrounge up votes for impeachment while dems are like "hey let's just wait for 2020.....see what happens...."
have nancy get him back on the phone, maybe "reconsider" gorsuch while we're at it
I mean I'm in the "I'll believe it when it happens" camp with him, but I will take rumors of good news over actual bad news any day
lol that he spent over 2 years infuriating everyone on earth except ~the base~ and now is actually flirting with "hey, fuck it, let's shit on them too" <3
I'll die if we actually reach the point where McConnell and Ryan are trying to scrounge up votes for impeachment while dems are like "hey let's just wait for 2020.....see what happens...."
have nancy get him back on the phone, maybe "reconsider" gorsuch while we're at it
I can see that happening.
If Trump would keep walking everything back (remains to be seen) and the investigation keeps going, at some point the GOP might just be like "fuck it, you know what? We're probably doomed in 2018 and certainly 2020 anyway, so let's just impeach his stupid ass and let Pence ram through as much as he can."
I can see it.
Not a damn thing. He knows something most other people do not I presume
The Rs who have been pushing this all year are like "omg we're close.....it's happening....." and the usual other side people are airing out their panic horns, but idk.
Rand Paul still says he's a 100% no, McCain was still saying his usual "they need to do it bipartisan" thing, and Collins/Murkowski have shown zero sign that anything has changed for them. If the bill doesn't pass within the next 13 days, it is dead yet again.
I don't feel like another round of worry so I'm trying not to even pay attention this time (I have 2 D senators anyway so).
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Thanks to both.
I'm not overly concerned about it, either--just wondered if something new had prompted Franken to tweet that. If that CNN report about Ryan/McConnell not even bothering with it is correct, it's going to be an interesting week.
The problem is you can't trust a single thing they say.
Rand Paul is a firm no... so he says.
McCain yearns for regular order... so he says.
McConnell isn't as interested this time... so he says.
They turn on a dime. This time will be no different. I hope it fails but if Schumer and Franken say it's gaining steam, it's probably gaining steam.
They always act like they aren't interested to some degree and then bam, here's a bill front and center for you.
Rand Paul is a firm no... so he says.
McCain yearns for regular order... so he says.
McConnell isn't as interested this time... so he says.
They turn on a dime. This time will be no different. I hope it fails but if Schumer and Franken say it's gaining steam, it's probably gaining steam.
They always act like they aren't interested to some degree and then bam, here's a bill front and center for you.
Were they lying though? Because it did end up happening -- skinny repeal vote.
Which failed.
By one vote.
So it's a stretch to say they lied to us as a means to simply have everyone flood members of congress with phone calls
balladofwindfishes
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The last 324234 times they tried the repeal, it was "gaining momentum" and then the CBO report hit saying 20+ million off insurance and all that momentum died instantly
The fact that they're preemptively saying the CBO are wrong tells me that they know the CBO score will be disastrous for the bill.
They also only have 13 days to do what they were unable to do in 2 months.
The fact that they're preemptively saying the CBO are wrong tells me that they know the CBO score will be disastrous for the bill.
They also only have 13 days to do what they were unable to do in 2 months.
This is a totally absurd take. You think everybody knew in advance that McCain was going to vote no?
I hear you, but this isn't dead until it's dead.
shinra-bansho
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I know we all hate talking about Hillary Clinton, but Krugman tweeted a story about the media cycle that was part of what sunk her campaign, which focuses on "the coal gaffe."
https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2017/9/15/16306158/hillary-clinton-hall-of-mirrors
Basically, the cycle goes:
1. Thing - some nothing burger that gets blown up by the Newsmaxes and Breitbarts and Foxes.
2. Scandal About The Thing - outlets like CNN, the NYT then report about it by proxy by reporting that right-wing media are reporting about a thing about Clinton.
3. And when that's worn out the story becomes about how she responded to the scandal about the thing.
This may be something unique to Hillary Clinton, as still the biggest journalistic scalp around apparently. But I imagine 1 and 2 will apply to basically anyone that runs, 3 may not if they are better at responding like Gillary.
I guess 1 is possible if they are literally squeaky clean and then never do anything ever that could be picked up by the right wing news bubble. But that seems unlikely, because even if that were the case, they'd just make something up.
https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2017/9/15/16306158/hillary-clinton-hall-of-mirrors
Basically, the cycle goes:
1. Thing - some nothing burger that gets blown up by the Newsmaxes and Breitbarts and Foxes.
2. Scandal About The Thing - outlets like CNN, the NYT then report about it by proxy by reporting that right-wing media are reporting about a thing about Clinton.
3. And when that's worn out the story becomes about how she responded to the scandal about the thing.
This may be something unique to Hillary Clinton, as still the biggest journalistic scalp around apparently. But I imagine 1 and 2 will apply to basically anyone that runs, 3 may not if they are better at responding like Gillary.
I guess 1 is possible if they are literally squeaky clean and then never do anything ever that could be picked up by the right wing news bubble. But that seems unlikely, because even if that were the case, they'd just make something up.
I really think it's all just a ruse, ultimately -- this "song and dance" -- that is intended to calm nerves on the other side and let them advance to the next step of the process while many just shrug it off. They're a bunch of dishonest fucks with no principals, they'll lie to your face as they also stab you in the back. Rinse, wash, repeat
I think Democrats are just trying to make sure this doesn't slip by unnoticed.
Aaron Strife
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Cassidy is probably the biggest snake of them all, although it certainly is a 49-way race to the bottom on that one.
(I'm excluding Collins, Murkowski and McCain from that count because they actually stuck to their guns on the skinny repeal vote. Even if Collins and Murkowski saw their votes as freebies, the important thing is they didn't flip to Yes when leadership suddenly didn't have 50)
(I'm excluding Collins, Murkowski and McCain from that count because they actually stuck to their guns on the skinny repeal vote. Even if Collins and Murkowski saw their votes as freebies, the important thing is they didn't flip to Yes when leadership suddenly didn't have 50)
Cassidy sucks. He stood there with Collins early this year acting like he had a 'moderate' approach to tweaking the ACA and now look at what he's doing. And the way he said he bragged to his wife about how his speech the other night was one of the best he may have ever given is just absurd given what he may do.
balladofwindfishes
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I'm not really sure taking healthcare away from 30 million people (if early estimates are accurate) is something that could just suddenly appear and pass without anyone noticing.
BoogieWoogie
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How do you think spineless Paul Ryan will say it's a good thing that we're back in the Paris Accords now that it's been confirmed we're not leaving?
Where has it been confirmed? This would be excellent.
Mark Andrew
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Now I can't get the Elton John song out of my head...
Modern-day Presidential
ArkhamFantasy
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Now I can't get the Elton John song out of my head...
It took me about 30 seconds to figure out that he wasnt talking about Elton John.
Now I can't get the Elton John song out of my head...
Do many people even own a car in North Korea?
Mark Andrew
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Trumps Tweets this AM:
Kim Jung Un = Rocket Man
Trump hauling a palate of Oreos across the ocean
Only true Americans support Trump
Trump hitting Hillary with a golf ball
And were still going, folks!
Kim Jung Un = Rocket Man
Trump hauling a palate of Oreos across the ocean
Only true Americans support Trump
Trump hitting Hillary with a golf ball
And were still going, folks!
Shillary shilling (part 2!)
David Remnick's interview/book review is up on The New Yorker site. I'm too tired to go through it all now, but there's probably something interesting in there, considering how long it is.
David Remnick's interview/book review is up on The New Yorker site. I'm too tired to go through it all now, but there's probably something interesting in there, considering how long it is.
Heck there was a mass shooting in Plano that left eight people dead the other day. No comments and next to no coverage. Have mass shootings become so ubiquitous that they're not even worth commenting or reporting on? I bet if the shooter was Muslim Trump would've had something to say!
RustyNails
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President Moon and Rocket Man in the same sentence is bothering me.
The obvious answer is, he couldn't remember Kim Jong-un's name, and his thought process went "Moon > Rocket Tests > Rocket Man".
Late edit:
A definite shift in the new ACA repeal bill - Sanders and Warren have both tweeted about it, warning that it may have the votes and needs to be stopped.
Mark Andrew
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They had the votes last time too, until they didnt. Lets see what happens after CBO.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
If McCain votes for anything like this after shooting down the last one because of lack of formality, then there's really nothing left to say at this point. CBO should take care of this, but who knows. Let's see how the week progresses.
Still puzzled as to why they want this. Wasn't it like 80% of people against the last one, and this one is apparently just as bad if not worse.
Also curious as to what is happening behind the scenes (if anything) that would make democrats like Warren, Harris, Franken, and Schumer publicly say this. Seems odd to me.
Still puzzled as to why they want this. Wasn't it like 80% of people against the last one, and this one is apparently just as bad if not worse.
Also curious as to what is happening behind the scenes (if anything) that would make democrats like Warren, Harris, Franken, and Schumer publicly say this. Seems odd to me.
Whoever is working with Lamar Alexander on the bipartisan fix effort probably saw something. Maybe talks are breaking down.
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